The problem with ignoring "unintentional" laggers.

[Door]

Originally Posted by tempandrew

There's nothing stopping me from getting hacks and hacking on Graal, either. There's nothing stopping me from getting one of my friends to do me a favor and hack Graal to delete files. Your arguments are so flimsy, Door.

What's stopping you is that there is a rule against it, and you can and will be punished for doing it. Laggers are openly allowed to continue.

Pandar, you have a terrible attitude about it too, and you need to cool your temper. Lagging is unfair because it essentially applies a huge handicap advantage onto whomever is using it. Once again, shall I direct you Chakrah's video? He shows us that utilizing his lag is a matter of taking a few steps and using spin attack.

I don't complain because I think he's better than most people at events, Castle Wars, and sparring. I complain because I know he's not.

Yet he still wins all the time solely due to his lag.

[Deeek]

Originally Posted by Door

Sorry, let me clarify since you seem to have serious issues with selective reading. This is the part I was directing you to (although I can see how you might be tempted to look at the pretty picture and ignore those silly word things above it).

Does that help?

It doesn't matter why someone is causing damage or hurting other people or being a public nuisance. What matters is that it has to be stopped, and this is true both online and irl.

Wow, so much whine.

"....I just had an epiphany. Let's just take everyone with connection issues, cram them into a rocket and blast them off into the side of a mountain!"

The problem is though is that all you're willing to do is point fingers and put the blame on others instead of just dealing with the problem yourself. Laggyness is a tenet of almost all MMOs, and waving your arms and screaming at it like a little kid isn't going to make it go away. Grow up.

[Chakrah]

Deek I agree, In other cases, on different MMOs I have never seen anyone punished because of their lag.

Actually, I just logged onto WoW and played for about 10 minutes, yeah I lagged but no one complained on the forums or messaged me whining because I beat them in a duel.

[tempandrew]

Originally Posted by Deeek

Wow, so much whine.

"....I just had an epiphany. Let's just take everyone with connection issues, cram them into a rocket and blast them off into the side of a mountain!"

The problem is though is that all you're willing to do is point fingers and put the blame on others instead of just dealing with the problem yourself. Laggyness is a tenet of almost all MMOs, and waving your arms and screaming at it like a little kid isn't going to make it go away. Grow up.

This. I've said it many times now, but this. Lag is part of playing online games, so you have to deal with it. Just because Graal is a low-scale MMO with a more tied-society doesn't mean it grants you the right to decide who is and who isn't allowed to participate in what events. I'll say it again, this is a ridiculous and outlandish discussion. It should be open and shut. No banning lag.

And as for my "temper", I am in no way angry. I'm making points. As someone with absolutely no lag when my internet is doing fine (as much as my router sucks, more than not the speed is at top quality), this decision does not affect me at all. I'm simply defending what's right, and having a 'lag cap' is not right. It literally is class discrimination, you're trying to ban people who can't obtain or afford a better internet from specific things.

[coreys]

Originally Posted by salesman

An ET's discretion usually means one of two things:

1. Eh, he's my friend so I'll let it slide.
2. I hate this lagger ***** (kicks cbk1994)

Not the way it should be done.

That's why you hire good ETs. Not that UN would know anything about hiring good staff that don't abuse their power.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

shafting everyone not in the USA.

In other words, people who lag?

[Deeek]

So what're you guys gonna argue about when server latency is involved? You can't ban servers, you know.
Stupid laggy servers!

[coreys]

Originally Posted by Deeek

So what're you guys gonna argue about when server latency is involved? You can't ban servers, you know.
Stupid laggy servers!

Then ban Stefan

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Deeek

So what're you guys gonna argue about when server latency is involved? You can't ban servers, you know.
Stupid laggy servers!

Everybody experiences server lag, I don't see how this is relevant to what anybody is saying.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

In other words, people who lag?

No? The laggy players in question in this thread alone are all from the US anyway.

It seems everyone is raging all over the topic of lag and not getting the point of the OP. We dont need ridiculously laggy players running around in spar and event tournies. Some are legit, some are faked, either way these select few need to either fix their connection issues or be forced to sit out on these tournies.

How these players will be left out is a different story.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

No?

If no, then serverside hit detection wouldn't be a problem for you...

[Crono]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

If no, then serverside hit detection wouldn't be a problem for you...

Serverside HD inherently favors those closest to it's location. Clientside, on the other hand, doesn't. It's even.

As I said before...

Originally Posted by Crono

I'm not against 300ms, it's hard to summarize someone's lag based soley on their latency. It's more of a subjective thing. If there's a player skipping around an entire spar ring and becomming very difficult to hit, it's not fair for the other players to have to put up with this. Simply put, it's the problem of the laggy user.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

Serverside HD inherently favors those closest to it's location. Clientside, on the other hand, doesn't. It's even.

Internet games always favor those with lower latency. If clientside is "even", then lag wouldn't be a problem, which according to this thread, it is.

[Chakrah]

Originally Posted by tempandrew

I've said it many times now, but this. Lag is part of playing online games, so you have to deal with it. Just because Graal is a low-scale MMO with a more tied-society doesn't mean it grants you the right to decide who is and who isn't allowed to participate in what events. I'll say it again, this is a ridiculous and outlandish discussion. It should be open and shut. No banning lag.

This.

[salesman]

with most online games I play, if you lag you have the disadvantage, not the advantage. (i.e. freezing in place, loss of control, etc)