The problem with ignoring "unintentional" laggers.

[Deeek]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

What? No one is explaining the difference because it is irrelevant.

Okay, in other words - can anyone actually prove when someone is "intentionally" lagging or not? How could you possibly percieve lag as an intentional advantage when it sacrifices line quality?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Deeek

Okay, in other words - can anyone actually prove when someone is "intentionally" lagging or not? How could you possibly percieve lag as an intentional advantage when it sacrifices line quality?

Does it matter, though? Lag is lag is lag. The advantage of lag, whether it's intentional or not, is there. People do intentionally lag themselves, but it doesn't matter regardless. All laggers should be treated the same specifically because we can't really prove who is just abusing it and who is not.

[Deeek]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

People do intentionally lag themselves, but it doesn't matter regardless.

All laggers should be treated the same specifically because we can't really prove who is just abusing it and who is not.

Right, because lag abusers don't exist - it's just a really silly gimmick to scapegoat players with poor connections because you people lack the required patience to deal with them (as I said before).

I've also sparred Chakrah, by the way. I'm not about to point fingers at him though because I can't beat him.

[Door]

Originally Posted by Deeek

Okay, in other words - can anyone actually prove when someone is "intentionally" lagging or not? How could you possibly percieve lag as an intentional advantage when it sacrifices line quality?

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...93#post1569793

[Deeek]

Originally Posted by Door

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...93#post1569793

So? Doesn't make him a "lag abuser". He's just admitting his obvious amusement over the abundance of immaturity rampant on this server. If I said the same thing that wouldn't make me a "lag abuser", would it?

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Oh, I missed this last part. Are you aware of how this stuff works in Graal? I find it quite arrogant of you to call the people who complain scapegoats when I am getting the very fine feeling that you're not aware of anything that is being discussed here.

Does this statement also make you equally arrogant for refusing to adequately prove anything you've said in this thread?

Ugh. Hint: There's a big difference between poor connections and emulation. I could emulate lag, but then I'm not really lagging am I?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Deeek

So? Doesn't make him a "lag abuser". He's just admitting his obvious amusement over the abundance of immaturity rampant on this server. If I said the same thing that wouldn't make me a "lag abuser", would it?

Does this statement also make you equally arrogant for refusing to adequately prove anything you've said in this thread?

Ugh. Hint: There's a big difference between poor connections and emulation. I could emulate lag, but then I'm not really lagging am I?

What?

[Door]

Originally Posted by Deeek

So? Doesn't make him a "lag abuser". He's just admitting his obvious amusement over the abundance of immaturity rampant on this server. If I said the same thing that wouldn't make me a "lag abuser", would it?

Does this statement also make you equally arrogant for refusing to adequately prove anything you've said in this thread?

Ugh. Hint: There's a big difference between poor connections and emulation. I could emulate lag, but then I'm not really lagging am I?

Sorry, let me clarify since you seem to have serious issues with selective reading. This is the part I was directing you to (although I can see how you might be tempted to look at the pretty picture and ignore those silly word things above it).

Originally Posted by Door

I don't think that the intention behind the cheating should affect how it is handled/whether it is handled at all. This is kind of an extreme comparison, but I think it gets my point across: When someone is hurting people irl and is deemed both sane and guilty, he/she is kept away from the public, usually in prison. When a mentally ill person is hurting others and cannot help what he/she is doing, that person is also kept away from the public. Is it fair to the mentally ill person? No. Is it the right thing to do? Yes.

Does that help?

[Deeek]

Originally Posted by Door

Sorry, let me clarify since you seem to have serious issues with selective reading. This is the part I was directing you to (although I can see how you might be tempted to look at the pretty picture and ignore those silly word things above it).

Does that help?

It doesn't matter why someone is causing damage or hurting other people or being a public nuisance. What matters is that it has to be stopped, and this is true both online and irl.

Wow, so much whine.

"....I just had an epiphany. Let's just take everyone with connection issues, cram them into a rocket and blast them off into the side of a mountain!"

The problem is though is that all you're willing to do is point fingers and put the blame on others instead of just dealing with the problem yourself. Laggyness is a tenet of almost all MMOs, and waving your arms and screaming at it like a little kid isn't going to make it go away. Grow up.

[Chakrah]

Deek I agree, In other cases, on different MMOs I have never seen anyone punished because of their lag.

Actually, I just logged onto WoW and played for about 10 minutes, yeah I lagged but no one complained on the forums or messaged me whining because I beat them in a duel.

[tempandrew]

Originally Posted by Deeek

Wow, so much whine.

"....I just had an epiphany. Let's just take everyone with connection issues, cram them into a rocket and blast them off into the side of a mountain!"

The problem is though is that all you're willing to do is point fingers and put the blame on others instead of just dealing with the problem yourself. Laggyness is a tenet of almost all MMOs, and waving your arms and screaming at it like a little kid isn't going to make it go away. Grow up.

This. I've said it many times now, but this. Lag is part of playing online games, so you have to deal with it. Just because Graal is a low-scale MMO with a more tied-society doesn't mean it grants you the right to decide who is and who isn't allowed to participate in what events. I'll say it again, this is a ridiculous and outlandish discussion. It should be open and shut. No banning lag.

And as for my "temper", I am in no way angry. I'm making points. As someone with absolutely no lag when my internet is doing fine (as much as my router sucks, more than not the speed is at top quality), this decision does not affect me at all. I'm simply defending what's right, and having a 'lag cap' is not right. It literally is class discrimination, you're trying to ban people who can't obtain or afford a better internet from specific things.

[Chakrah]

Originally Posted by tempandrew

I've said it many times now, but this. Lag is part of playing online games, so you have to deal with it. Just because Graal is a low-scale MMO with a more tied-society doesn't mean it grants you the right to decide who is and who isn't allowed to participate in what events. I'll say it again, this is a ridiculous and outlandish discussion. It should be open and shut. No banning lag.

This.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Deeek

Okay, in other words - can anyone actually prove when someone is "intentionally" lagging or not? How could you possibly percieve lag as an intentional advantage when it sacrifices line quality?

Oh, I missed this last part. Are you aware of how this stuff works in Graal? I find it quite arrogant of you to call the people who complain scapegoats when I am getting the very fine feeling that you're not aware of anything that is being discussed here.