4 Years of being stagnant

[BlackSolider]

@ Dusty.

But if you can't do better, then how can you tell someone how to do their job? Yes, the dev team hasn't lived up to expectations. But instead of downgrading the work they actually do put out, why not thank them for it? The quantity of their work needs improvement. I can't judge the quality because I don't pretend to know how make complex scripts. (I could script a guild door or a chair back on GS1 years ago. Anything else is beyond me.) But if you can't script a better quest than Sardons/Gnome/Graal Castle, you are in no position to tell them to "make a better quest".

[MysticX2X]

@Gladius: You're just echoing what everybody just said. Of course tickets/gralats need a purpose. Gralats have none so far due to the mass amounts people have (Hurray for Black gelat quest). Tickets are somewhat not in mass amounts so yes they need a purpose. I suggested to Night monthly auctions for like statues and stuff. I forgot what he said and i think an item auction is currently trying to be made.

Guilds are forever dead on Classic. Nobody from other servers wants to play on Serverside HD and all the Classicians either found something better to do, or just got too old for the game. Not to mention they forever screwed over MoD Fort.

Agreed with the stop *****ing at devs statement. It sounds completely selfish to yell at them because they're not catering to your tastes. I have seen several people appreciate what the devs have done on various things. Just because they aren't catering to you, Dusty, doesn't give you the right to call them out and keep *****ing about how they're making a server die more regardless of the fact that the server would be dying far worse without any updates/changes.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

But if you can't do better, then how can you tell someone how to do their job? Yes, the dev team hasn't lived up to expectations. But instead of downgrading the work they actually do put out, why not thank them for it? The quantity of their work needs improvement. I can't judge the quality because I don't pretend to know how make complex scripts. (I could script a guild door or a chair back on GS1 years ago. Anything else is beyond me.) But if you can't script a better quest than Sardons/Gnome/Graal Castle, you are in no position to tell them to "make a better quest".

The most amusing thing about this is, Dusty can do better.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Guilds are forever dead on Classic.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Nobody from other servers wants to play on Serverside HD and all the Classicians either found something better to do, or just got too old for the game. Not to mention they forever screwed over MoD Fort.

So that makes guilds "forever dead" on Classic?

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Agreed with the stop *****ing at devs statement. It sounds completely selfish to yell at them because they're not catering to your tastes. I have seen several people appreciate what the devs have done on various things. Just because they aren't catering to you, Dusty, doesn't give you the right to call them out and keep *****ing about how they're making a server die more regardless of the fact that the server would be dying far worse without any updates/changes.

Ironic really.

[BlackSolider]

If dusty can do better, why isn't he doing better work then?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

If dusty can do better, why isn't he doing better work then?

That might be because of the terrible staff team

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

@ Dusty.

But if you can't do better, then how can you tell someone how to do their job? Yes, the dev team hasn't lived up to expectations. But instead of downgrading the work they actually do put out, why not thank them for it? The quantity of their work needs improvement. I can't judge the quality because I don't pretend to know how make complex scripts. (I could script a guild door or a chair back on GS1 years ago. Anything else is beyond me.) But if you can't script a better quest than Sardons/Gnome/Graal Castle, you are in no position to tell them to "make a better quest".

You assume no one thanks anyone around here for good work. If I see something I like and is done well, I say so. Also, it doesn't take someone knowledge of scripting or such to know when something is scripted poorly. You don't need to know how to paint a pretty picture to know when something looks pretty, or when it looks ugly. These are all very basic concepts we apply daily. Can you tell a bad game from a good game? If you shell out $60 for a game and you know it sucks(you don't have know how to make a game to know it sucks!), you can expect better.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Agreed with the stop *****ing at devs statement. It sounds completely selfish to yell at them because they're not catering to your tastes. I have seen several people appreciate what the devs have done on various things. Just because they aren't catering to you, Dusty, doesn't give you the right to call them out and keep *****ing about how they're making a server die more regardless of the fact that the server would be dying far worse without any updates/changes.

It's not *****ing, it's wanting better. Many have already acknowledged that Thor is very hard working, and probably the hardest working on one Classic, but that doesn't mean we're just going to settle for less. If the server is dying, it's dying. Most management and staff can come to that realization pretty easily, and yes it sucks, but they can't avoid the truth just because they're trying. And I'm not saying this to say that Thor is the singularity of Classic's problems, as there are many things that add up into one big mess.

[Felix_Xenophobe]

classic had its peak when it had the dictionary npc inside the bank. when it was removed classic lost it all.

[BlackSolider]

You make a good point there dusty, but do remember people are paid to paint pictures (sometimes) or make video games. Devs don't get paid; they spend their free time trying to please the mostly un-please-able community. And no, I don't assume that no one gives the devs thanks or anything. But I do know that I see a lot of people just constantly ***** about what they do.

Yes, you expect a certain standard of work. But we shouldn't expect a 'Crazy Stairs' painting from anyone but Picasso. The devs dev to their ability. If you don't feel like its good enough, then make something better. Otherwise, thank them and enjoy it as best you can.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Yes, you expect a certain standard of work. But we shouldn't expect a 'Crazy Stairs' painting from anyone but Picasso

or M.C. Escher...the guy that actually painted it

[BlackSolider]

Oh look, an art expert.

Seriously though, thanks. Idk who did it so I just used a name I knew.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Oh look, an art expert.

Seriously though, thanks. Idk who did it so I just used a name I knew.

Yes, but I disagree with the whole "if you can't do better then shut up". You may be happy to settle for second best but some of us aren't. Some of us know that settling for second best isn't going to get us anywhere in the long run.

[BlackSolider]

I wouldn't know what "better" would be, nor do I have the ability to make something "better" than what they have. All I know is that no matter what the GCs or Devs do, they get more **** than appreciation, whether deserved or not. If you expect a "perfect" event or a "perfect" quest or w/e, you're probably asking the wrong people.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

You make a good point there dusty, but do remember people are paid to paint pictures (sometimes) or make video games. Devs don't get paid; they spend their free time trying to please the mostly un-please-able community. And no, I don't assume that no one gives the devs thanks or anything. But I do know that I see a lot of people just constantly ***** about what they do.

Yes, you expect a certain standard of work. But we shouldn't expect a 'Crazy Stairs' painting from anyone but Picasso. The devs dev to their ability. If you don't feel like its good enough, then make something better. Otherwise, thank them and enjoy it as best you can.

This I am aware of. But you have to remember that Graal, regardless of being basically built by volunteers, is still a game you have to pay for. Therefor, if I am a new person to Graal and I pay for a subscription to Graal, I should still expect some level of quality. People who take on position of staff on these servers take on that responsibility; they are, or should be, aware of that. Criticism comes with the territory.

[BlackSolider]

Excessive criticism shouldn't. Look at the HD. People complained about the serverside HD when the server got moved to Euro. People voted for clientside. So thor made one. Now they continue to *****, even though they wanted it.

What motivation does a dev have, when nothing they do is ever good enough? People wanted some quests for classic. So sardons+gnomes got released. Some people complained about those. People wanted content for classic. So bowling+minigamesystem+fishing got released. Some people complained about those.

Looks like a no-win situation to me. Its impossible to please everybody. Now I don't know what each person expects quality wise from the dev team. Personally I expected more stuff to be released than what was. I don't go yelling and cursing the dev team about it. I talk to some of them about it. I post things on forums about it. But I don't go bashing the dev team all day. That just doesn't help the situation.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Excessive criticism shouldn't. Look at the HD. People complained about the serverside HD when the server got moved to Euro. People voted for clientside. So thor made one. Now they continue to *****, even though they wanted it.

Because it's not good detection. What's hard to understand about that? Just because it's clientside doesn't mean it's going to be good. It has been said a lot that Thor probably worked hard on it, hard work != good in all cases.

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

What motivation does a dev have, when nothing they do is ever good enough? People wanted some quests for classic. So sardons+gnomes got released. Some people complained about those. People wanted content for classic. So bowling+minigamesystem+fishing got released. Some people complained about those.

There are always going to be people who complain. If you're a dev and you don't want to hear it you're in the wrong place. Like I said it comes with the territory. Is that a good thing? Of course not, but it will never go away. This applies to all games. There will always be the people who hate and criticize.

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Looks like a no-win situation to me. Its impossible to please everybody. Now I don't know what each person expects quality wise from the dev team. Personally I expected more stuff to be released than what was. I don't go yelling and cursing the dev team about it. I talk to some of them about it. I post things on forums about it. But I don't go bashing the dev team all day. That just doesn't help the situation.

There are those who bash and those who bring up rational points. You seem to not be able to tell the two apart. The former are those who bash with no just cause and don't even attempt to be constructive in it. There have been many constructive points brought up about the HD and other aspects of Classic. It's not all bashing just because people aren't settling for less.