The problem with ignoring "unintentional" laggers.

[12171217]

I can't be bothered to read this whole thread, so this solution may have already been mentioned, but what should be done is using triggerclient and triggerserver to get a glimpse at how many packets are dropped over time. Lag, as in latency or ping, isn't the real problem, it's packets being dropped, then being resent or being lost altogether, provided it's UDP, so that way the sword swings don't occur as often, or in strange positions and directions. Check how many triggerclients and triggerservers are dropped, and if the amount is too great, it's a truly intentional cheater.

As far as latency goes, one thing you can do, if you're willing to do a rather large rewrite of the collision and movement systems, is store old player positions in arrays, then use timevar2 to match up the position of when the player pressed the sword button to exactly where both of them were at that point in time, by actually taking a few steps back in time. This is how many modern first person shooters handle lag compensation.

[Door]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Not in volume. They paid the same as any of those 97% individually for the game. I think you know what I meant.

The solution is not to deny service to the paying customer.

But I don't think you know what I mean. If 97% of paying customers are being denied good service in a game, why should the 3% of players denying them good service be favored?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Door

why should the 3% of players denying them good service be favored?

Because they also paid.

[Door]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Because they also paid.

So did hackers.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Door

So did hackers.

But hackers broke the rules, unlike laggers.

[Grey]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

But hackers broke the rules, unlike laggers.

This. You cannot compare them unless you can definitively prove somebody is intentionally lagging themselves to gain that advantage.

[Door]

Why are there rules against hackers? The majority of hackers are not using their hacks to actively disadvantage every other player; they are using their hacks to actively advantage their player. That is exactly what lag does.

If a person encountered a glitch on a server that allowed their player to have an advantage over other players (unlimited ammo/money, extra items, being a little faster, etc.), then this glitch would be corrected. Or at least I would hope it would. But.. but why? That's not fair to the player. He found the glitch fair and square!! He didn't do anything wrong, so why should his advantage be taken away? Because it's unfair to everyone else.

The fact that lag offers an advantage over other players is a glitch in Graal, and it needs to be fixed.

[kia345]

I was ignoring this thread until I got cheated out of an event win because the ET was bros with Chakrah and his lag.

Screw you UN.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Door

Why are there rules against hackers? The majority of hackers are not using their hacks to actively disadvantage every other player; they are using their hacks to actively advantage their player.

...what? Graal and other online games are built around competition. By giving themselves unfair advantages they are removing an advantage from others.

And yes, lag can give players an unfair advantage, but the difference between lagging and hacking is that laggers have no control over their lag. Is it really so hard to understand that? Sure, there are people who take advantage of their lag, or even purposefully lag, but there are also honest people with poor connections who would be locked out of a game they paid for.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

By giving themselves unfair advantages they are removing an advantage from others.

Perfect logic right here folks. How come Era kicks laggy players? You never responded.

[Door]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

...what? Graal and other online games are built around competition. By giving themselves unfair advantages they are removing an advantage from others.

And yes, lag can give players an unfair advantage

okay.

[_Z3phyr_]

Originally Posted by kia345

I was ignoring this thread until I got cheated out of an event win because the ET was bros with Chakrah and his lag.

Screw you UN.

i was *****ing at ph8 when he did it to my team the round before yours!

[kia345]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Sure, there are people who take advantage of their lag, or even purposefully lag, but there are also honest people with poor connections who would be locked out of a game they paid for.

So if I hack to help people, it's okay? As long as I'm not using it for an unfair advantage?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Door

okay.

What's your point? Would you penalize players with better computers because they have an advantage over those with slower ones?

[_Z3phyr_]

and by this logic it should be okay to give me 20 hearts. as long as i'm hittable, right?

edit:

Originally Posted by cbk1994

What's your point? Would you penalize players with better computers because they have an advantage over those with slower ones?

hell to the yes i would, and so would all of the other video game developers. they do it all the time: they're called ****ing system requirements!