Just close Graal.

[WaDaFack]

Have you not noticed the drop in the playercount?
Take UN for example, in the summer of 2005 it had about 200+players, the summer of 2006 it had 190-200players, after 2007 it had 150-180players, now in 2008-2009 it has 100players in the summer.
You'll probaly say "Oh people, got bored of Graal and just quit" well, thats the globals duty, to make Graal entertaining and not dull, and boring.

[CharlieM]

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

Have you not noticed the drop in the playercount?
Take UN for example, in the summer of 2005 it had about 200+players, the summer of 2006 it had 190-200players, after 2007 it had 150-180players, now in 2008-2009 it has 100players in the summer.
You'll probaly say "Oh people, got bored of Graal and just quit" well, thats the globals duty, to make Graal entertaining and not dull, and boring.

No I am not going to say that..What happend to UN was Zodiac. When Zodiac players realized what they could do on there own server/other server players. They set out to make there own servers/play other servers. The playercount hasn't changed it has just spread out

[gravator]

I would also like to see a downsize of graal servers, there are many playerworlds that are under construction because nearly everyone wanted to make their own server, and that isn't good because it causes people that do the work to get spread out too much and very little actual work gets taken care of.



There are some servers that were started maybe once or twice but didn't really work out, but STILL people cling to them and try their own "revival project" and should just let those servers go already.


And the tileset or item rights deal going on, why are certain works and tilesets not allowed to be used in another server, i've seen some very good tiles on multiple servers and thought they would go pretty good together in one massive new age server, just an example would be classic, you have all those wonderful and fun quests from before the reset, just give them a makeover! New look, new scripting, but the same stuff the older playerbase loved when they first started.


But no, people are so darn set on keeping "their" tileset and if even ONE sprite looks like theirs and it's on another server........holy cow does all kinds of crap hit the fan and it turns into a big mess on who owns what and where, I could be mistaken but shouldn't all graphics, music, scripts and all that belong to Cyberjoueurs? I would think that allowed people to use any tileset or graphic they needed for their server without someone complaining about it.

[Tigairius]

I was trying to decide whether or not I had the energy to respond to this thread. I think I will.

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

Just close Graal, its going on a HUGE downfall. There isn't anything you can do about anymore.

People who don't think they can change anything usually don't. Remember that.

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

WHOs fault is this?
The globals and Stefan FAILED to cooperate, and did not listen to anyones opinion. Bell the Player World Administrator had a GREAT idea of downsizing Graal so it would be more like 5 servers, unstead of a million. But nope, globals thought they can handle things on there own, guess not.

"The globals and Stefan?" We are constantly listening to your opinions. What gives you any right to tell us how to do our jobs? What gives you any right to tell Stefan and unixmad how to run their game? You are a customer. You are a player. They are business owners. They can run their business however they want to.
You don't have any idea what you're talking about. "Globals thought they can handle things on their own," when we haven't even had a "sit down" discussion about that plan yet. Please, before you go on and start denouncing all globals maybe you should consider that these decisions take time, and making big decisions like this requires a "go ahead" from everyone. It's not something that can be done over night.

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

WHAT is causing this?
Stefan, and unixmad. Stefan for not being loyal enough to Graal, and unixmad for everything being overpriced. I got a bajillion PMs from my friends on Zone, and Graal Kingdoms saying that they WASTED money on garbage when they could have been paying for other games, for cheaper and offer more. I mean, it cost 40$, 40 freaking dollars for Zone, or GK. Everyday you log on, your just doing the same thing you did yesterday, pulling out a gun and shooting everyone. There is NO variety what so ever, Graal is just getting dull and boring.

$40 is not a lot of money. Stefan and unixmad are still doing things for Graal, but like any business, they are concentrating on what is generating the most money right now: iPhone. Do you honestly blame them? So what? So they're trying to make money? Maybe if they make a lot of good money from iPhone they can bring that positive energy back to Graal and bring it up. So, let's NOT give up and continue playing Graal, like we all know you're going to do anyways.

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

WHERE is this happening?
No were else, but Graal.

Cite this please. For some reason I don't think Graal can be the only potentially failing business in the world right now.

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

WHEN is this happening?
Right now, Graal is just going on a huge downfall. There is nothing you can do about it, but just wait. Just watch, soon the message will appear on the forums when Stefan announces Graal shutdown.

You can watch all you want, but while you're watching, I'm going to actually be taking initiative and trying to improve the current situation.

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

WHY is this happening?
No one cares. For example, I sent in my ticket a month ago and still hasn't been replied. If you guys did care, you would actually take the money we gave you to advertise, to hire professional developers and to improve on your firewall. Right now, as I see it, you just don't give a crap and just letting Graal die, so you have an excuse to just walk away with our money.

We care. Submit a ticket to the playerworld section. I guarantee you that you will receive a response within 2 days. Most likely within 24 hours. I usually respond to tickets within 3 hours or so after they're submitted.

Just because one section of the support center isn't very active doesn't mean we're all just sitting around on our hands.

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

HOW is this happening?
The population is decreasing, and is not going up at all. I don't think anymore P2Ps are being bought, nor is gold. The only people who are probaly buying are the people who bought before, because they are what we call ADDICTS and never played any other game BUT Graal. The ADDICTS are the ones keeping Graal alive, at the moment.

Again, I'm going to have to ask you to cite this information. To me, this sounds like some more opinionated nonsense. As far as I know, unixmad and Stefan don't disclose any of their financial information about Graal.

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

Have you not noticed the drop in the playercount?

Ever heard of school?

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

You'll probaly say "Oh people, got bored of Graal and just quit" well, thats the globals duty, to make Graal entertaining and not dull, and boring.

It is not our duty to "make Graal entertaining."

All of this, on top of the fact that several years ago when UN had 180+ players, there was no Zodiac. Now if you do the math, which just division, you can see that the playercount has been cut in half from UN and has gone to Zodiac.

Thanks.

[salesman]

There's a lot of factors contributing to the low playercount, but you cannot pin it solely on school and Zodiac...that's just denial, and will get us nowhere.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by salesman

There's a lot of factors contributing to the low playercount, but you cannot pin it solely on school and Zodiac...that's just denial, and will get us nowhere.

Right now there are 102 players on Era, 82 on Zodiac and 72 on Unholy Nation. That's fantastic. Just last weekend there were over 100 people on Era, 100+ people on Zodiac and about 80 people on UN.

How can you honestly call that "denial?"

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Right now there are 102 players on Era, 82 on Zodiac and 72 on Unholy Nation. That's fantastic. Just last weekend there were over 100 people on Era, 100+ people on Zodiac and about 80 people on UN.

Is this sarcasm? I really hope it is, but I can't tell.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Is this sarcasm? I really hope it is, but I can't tell.

It's not sarcastic. The playercount hasn't moved. That's the point I'm trying to make.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

It's not sarcastic. The playercount hasn't moved. That's the point I'm trying to make.

http://statistics.graal.us/server/graphs/year

[Darugo]

I admit, the player count has declined a bit over the years, even though I've been here for only 2 (don't try to look at how long I've been on the forums, I've had a second account ;D)
People try to put the blame on people like Stefan, Unixmad, and Globals. Yes Globals, you shall indeed take some of the blame, everybody needs to take some of the blame, including the players. There has been a recent decline in being NICE to others also, a lack of respect if you will. I will use Zodiac as an example, persay I asked where Goblins are (npc monsters), sure a FAQ might be on, but if not? The players will ignore you, or point you in the direction without help, I feel that blame should be shifted on all of us. Players constantly complaining that Graal did not commit itself fully to advertising. Graal was never a game that COULD be advertised, it cost too much and trials would come and go too much. I usually try to throw in a quick hey look at this game it's pretty fun, with the new Gelat system I can also donate a month to my friends if they are in need of help, the gelat system is very good and will help me in later months. About the new trial system; As a regular said in a topic that was preaching on about how Graal was dead, the trials were leeching off of us, not paying and abusing the system. Instead of creating topics about how Graal sux graal sux close dis **** omg dis shyt is ghey and liek stfen n unyxmud r jst stuleing monies frum us. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. ADVERTISE TO YOUR FRIENDS, TELL THEM ABOUT THIS GAME THAT NEEDS HELP, PUT A MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE, THROW IT OUT TO SEA!!

It's time for less talk more action, Graal has built itself up from the ground (except for the part its kind of like Zelda), get on Graal, start playing, every player helps. Sure there are 3rd mmos and fps and stupid shooters like that, It's time we acted like a real community, shut the hell up, and did something useful. I'm sorry for being a drama queen but jesus christ you guys need to stiffen up. The world of games have been tough, the recession tougher. It's up to YOU to save Graal, it always has been, the playerworlds were what mostly kept Graal alive. Hell learn GS whatever and start latting for servers, who cares if it takes long, instead of complaining on the forums DO SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE.
I admit I do believe Stefan and Unixmad are milking the cow until it dies, but hell I am not going to let this cow run dry

[MysticX2X]

Tig's Post:

"The globals and Stefan?" We are constantly listening to your opinions. What gives you any right to tell us how to do our jobs? What gives you any right to tell Stefan and unixmad how to run their game? You are a customer. You are a player. They are business owners. They can run their business however they want to.
You don't have any idea what you're talking about. "Globals thought they can handle things on their own," when we haven't even had a "sit down" discussion about that plan yet. Please, before you go on and start denouncing all globals maybe you should consider that these decisions take time, and making big decisions like this requires a "go ahead" from everyone. It's not something that can be done over night.

We as players should give our constructive criticism in regards to a Game's condition. We as players should give our constructive criticism towards a Game's management. A complaint is what any customer is entitled to because it shows dissatisfaction towards the product. Most companies offer satisfaction policies while we are on the aspect of how they run their business. No one can deny the game's quality has been deteriorating within the recent years, and it surely isn't because some people are getting older and quit. It's because there's nothing to satisfy people anymore.