"Borrowing" Items - Page 2

CharlieM · #41 08-22-2009, 08:58 PM

So if someone can prove the other party agreed to a lend, and staff have come to a conclusion, and someone submits the information right after, then the person will get there things back?

papajchris · #42 08-22-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieM

So if someone can prove the other party agreed to a lend, and staff have come to a conclusion, and someone submits the information right after, then the person will get there things back?

I don't get what your asking? If you are able to provide proof (snap shots, record the trade, chat logs provided by staff, etc..) that it was a lend staff will return the item.

CharlieM · #43 08-22-2009, 09:05 PM

Well, I know someone that has proof, and told staff they have proof, and the PR still decided that it was a regular old trade. So they are making a video proving that it was agreed upon as a lend between the two parties

papajchris · #44 08-22-2009, 10:13 PM

Well when did it happen? often when people came to me saying they got scammed and staff did nothing the scam occured before it was illegal. If you have legit proof, definitly show it to the gp's and if it's legit they will act on it. Also, i think it depends on how long it took you to report it being stolen. If your friend gave the item to someone like 3 months ago, then there is no way to reverse ALL those trades. In this case the staff may or may not just take items/money from the scammer and refund you that way.

cbk1994 · #45 08-22-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by screen_name

Anything can be done with GScript!!! Anyways, sure it could be in a couple of ways;

1. Have tradeable weapons join a lending class
2. timestamp the trade, check timestamp against lending length which could be defined by the lender
3. when time is up, return the item to the lender, delete it from the lendee
4. have various checks to eliminate exploiting the system
>> automatically give the lender the item when time is up and remove from lendee (if lendee remains online)
>> if the lendee goes offline (isn't there an event if someone disconnects?) then delete the item when they connect again
>> have a DBNPC that controls this instead of weapon scripts (best way?)
>> lendee can not drop, trade, or sell lended item
5. other related stuff (perhaps a "renting" fee)

Era's sytems are a mess right now; such a thing would not be possible.

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Originally Posted by sam_is_me

You can't change those in a script?

Not when the player is offline. The only solution is the remove on login, but like Sales said, that's messy and prone to break.

HarlemBalla · #46 08-23-2009, 02:53 AM

Even if it is not possible to return the item when someone logs off, something as simple as a check box where players agree that they are just borrowing would help out a lot. Reason being, if someone is scammed by letting someone borrow their items there is no way for the GP to decipher if they were actually borrowing items. With a borrow agreement check box the GP can go back and easily check if that was the case. Something like this would rid of all these lending scams.

If this is not possible to do or is seen as unnecessary than I do advise that any player involved in a lending trade run a video logger of any conversation you have with someone leading up to your trade and the trade itself.

Pelikano · #47 08-23-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryke

clientr vars. lol

I'm pretty sure they're also all in a SQL-DB. I hope it atleast

jorollychu · #48 08-23-2009, 10:41 AM

imo people should know the risk of lending their guns

cbk1994 · #49 08-23-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelikano

I'm pretty sure they're also all in a SQL-DB. I hope it atleast

As you well know, they aren't. It would be virtually impossible to adapt the current system to SQL, which was released months ago. On Dev, SQL is used to store items, however.

Lime_O_Matic · #50 08-29-2009, 04:57 PM

Hey, being a GP isn't so easy unless you have rules to follow for every case. This helps make decisions alot easier.

Pelikano · #51 08-29-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lime_O_Matic

Hey, being a GP isn't so easy unless you have rules to follow for every case. This helps make decisions alot easier.

Dude all GPs did was:

"I'll talk to Squirt about it"

Spikedude · #52 08-29-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelikano

Dude all GPs did was:

"I'll talk to Squirt about it"

And all you've ever done is whine. Even?

Scary_Sock · #53 08-29-2009, 07:15 PM

Oh god, Pelikano.

Frankie · #54 08-29-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lime_O_Matic

Hey, being a GP isn't so easy unless you have rules to follow for every case. This helps make decisions alot easier.

making decisions as a GP is pretty much common sense. there's nothing hard about it if there were no guidelines to follow.

Lime_O_Matic · #55 08-29-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

making decisions as a GP is pretty much common sense. there's nothing hard about it if there were no guidelines to follow.

Well, not according to the people who made the current rules on Era. If you have no guideline, it will cause people to favor players they like though. So simple guidelines must be put in effect, no matter what.

MontyPython · #56 08-29-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lime_O_Matic

Well, not according to the people who made the current rules on Era. If you have no guideline, it will cause people to favor players they like though. So simple guidelines must be put in effect, no matter what.

Not really.

If you used common sense all of the time, you'd realize that as a select member of a team supposed to provide unbiased justice to the playerbase - favoring someone wouldn't be the right thing to do.

If you need a guideline telling you not to show favoritism to friends and people you want to get something from, you shouldn't be a GP in the first place.

Scary_Sock · #57 08-29-2009, 09:47 PM

Well, I still was confused with this situation that happend with McGyver, Danny Fiery, and Reckman. I won't go into details, but Reckman borrowed McGyver's P2k's that were supposed to be "Danny's", but Reckman also let McGyver borrow his ump. I don't know what happend furthermore, but McGyver got banned, and Reck said "It was a trade" since the logs showed it trading weapons.

Especially how rules say that if you can't wait for a GP, and you let the person borrow your item with no GP (PR) watching, its your fault unless you have proof that he scammed you. It is really easy give fake images. Anyone can edit images ad make them do things that didn't happen. I doubt anyone would take a video of the trade, since they either don't want to download anything, or it takes to long, etc.., and they scam the person. It is stupid.

Spikedude · #58 08-29-2009, 11:51 PM

Guys, this thread isn't about calling out our GPs.

The reason we need formal rules isn't as much a judgement decision on the GPs, but on the players. It's easier to deal with people who are angry about not being able to scam their items than it is to deal with the number of players who say "I WAS LETTING HIM BORROW MY GUN AND BLAHBLAHBLAH." This way, they just always have a GP watch, nobody complains, if someone is still too stupid then they have no excuse.

I've never been one for illegal scamming, but that's just the way it is right now. No need to twist around people's words and call them out over the forums.

Vin, you should propose that idea to Sales, maybe in a Era Community ticket thing.

CharlieM · #59 08-30-2009, 04:16 AM

Xen your not evevn close they were mcguvers reck asked to borrow it stole them prettty much and since the PR team is mentally disabled Squirt with his IQ of 9000 had to fix it so Mcgyver got his p2ks back and reck got an UMP no one got banned

Scary_Sock · #60 08-30-2009, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlieM

Xen your not evevn close they were mcguvers reck asked to borrow it stole them prettty much and since the PR team is mentally disabled Squirt with his IQ of 9000 had to fix it so Mcgyver got his p2ks back and reck got an UMP no one got banned

McGyver got banned. Even Reck said so himself. But, I'll take your word on this.

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CharlieM · #61 08-30-2009, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Scary_Sock

McGyver got banned. Even Reck said so himself. But, I'll take your word on this.

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McGyver never got banned..McGyver didn't do anything wrong, Reck is the one who tried to scam someone

Mark Sir Link · #62 08-30-2009, 07:29 AM

I'm actually surprised there are even rules regarding lending since most other games would leave the risk entirely to the player for lending items out instead of selling them

Sinkler · #63 08-30-2009, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I'm actually surprised there are even rules regarding lending since most other games would leave the risk entirely to the player for lending items out instead of selling them

The reason is because Staff do not condone scamming. It's not needed and unethical. We enforce safety in whatever you do AS LONG AS A PR IS WATCHING! It's not hard to follow the rules.

Venom_Fish · #64 08-31-2009, 07:29 PM

Being a PR or whatever its called now, is the simplest job you can receive on the Staff Team. Without them monitoring lending trades, their job would be 80% easier =/. Then what will they do? They'd be a useless waste of space, so in case they haven't realized it yet, I hope they do now. The less you have to do, the less of a job you'll have, doesn't take long for people to realize, "all they do is answer questions now?! why not remove RC and FAQ?#@#?23!' And voula, you just lost your position.

So, stop whining.

Spikedude · #65 08-31-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

Being a PR or whatever its called now, is the simplest job you can receive on the Staff Team. Without them monitoring lending trades, their job would be 80(percent) easier =/. Then what will they do? They'd be a useless waste of space, so in case they haven't realized it yet, I hope they do now. The less you have to do, the less of a job you'll have, doesn't take long for people to realize, "all they do is answer questions now?! why not remove RC and FAQ?#@#?23!' And voula, you just lost your position.

So, stop whining.

Nah, they'd just cut back. PRs need to upload/do things with set attr (like for hack-related scams, or like house/car trades). You couldn't take their RC really. That's why there only used to be a couple GPs though, whereas now there's like 10 of them.

Like you said, they'd probably cut back 50-80(percent) of them. But that's just hypothetical, I don't think the policy on scamming is about to change haha.

CharlieM · #66 08-31-2009, 11:21 PM

I am sorry but a Pr needs to watch to be safe but they don't like for you to lend for longer then around 10 minutes. I normally just talk to squirt or Erik because I get told to go to squirt by others, or if I ask Erik he will ask someone else if he needs help on some Parnell of it. Needless to say I don't lend guns anymore and the only people who have access to my storage are ones who have no reason to steal my items or don't like the guns I leave in there. I don't wish to lose my pbp again

Geno · #67 08-31-2009, 11:29 PM

i never saw why people hated scamming...it helps makes everyone stronger and betters people as players

Vman13x · #68 09-01-2009, 03:29 AM

People hate scamming well for one theyve been scammerd, and two the scammer hasnt earned that item which the other person worked hard for.

Mark Sir Link · #69 09-01-2009, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinkler

The reason is because Staff do not condone scamming. It's not needed and unethical. We enforce safety in whatever you do AS LONG AS A PR IS WATCHING! It's not hard to follow the rules.

I don't see what scamming has to do with lending.

If you're not sure if you can trust someone you probably shouldn't let them borrow it. Like I said, no other game I am aware of would go through such trouble, and if this is how it's going to work you might as well just develop a lending system rather than have it individually monitored

CharlieM · #70 09-01-2009, 04:59 PM

It would allow for the PR team to be cut down to almost nothing so of course they won't go for a system

LordSquirt · #71 09-01-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieM

It would allow for the PR team to be cut down to almost nothing so of course they won't go for a system

You make it sound like there is so many PRs in the first place. I only like limited spots and compared to other servers our team is small. For example, Zodiac has around 11 PRs and we only have like 7. Also, we usually have way more players than Zodiac.

Frankie · #72 09-01-2009, 07:47 PM

if my staff team consisted of 7 PRs HoudiniMan would of had my balls, lol.

salesman · #73 09-01-2009, 08:03 PM

I don't think it would hurt to have a few more, to be honest.

LordSquirt · #74 09-01-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

if my staff team consisted of 7 PRs HoudiniMan would of had my balls, lol.

It's 7 PRs including me. In actuality that number is pretty low compared to the player count of Era.

salesman · #75 09-01-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LordSquirt

It's 7 PRs including me. In actuality that number is pretty low compared to the player count of Era.

If anyone is interested in knowing what that count is, in the last 2 weeks:

2084 unique accounts have logged on
815 of those have more than 100 hours
977 were trials

We've also had ~300 support tickets to deal with since its release (~2 weeks).

Vman13x · #76 09-02-2009, 02:29 AM

Id have to agree on a few more PRs.
Sometimes when something is needed like a hacker, and no pr is on they just get to hack for free. This is just an example there are other things too.

Geno · #77 09-02-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vman13x

People hate scamming well for one theyve been scammerd, and two the scammer hasnt earned that item which the other person worked hard for.

the player who was scammed becomes a better player from this experience in realizing his mistake. the scammer gets the loot. everyone wins and there is no need for a team of bafoons to moderate trading.

papajchris · #78 09-03-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Geno

the player who was scammed becomes a better player from this experience in realizing his mistake. the scammer gets the loot. everyone wins and there is no need for a team of bafoons to moderate trading.

so september 11 should be a good thing because terrorists made their point and people who lost friends and family will learn how precious life is? God your a ****ing *****

Spikedude · #79 09-03-2009, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by salesman

I don't think it would hurt to have a few more, to be honest.

Only about 3 of the current PRs (not including squirt) are ever on (not naming anyone). I'd improve quality before quantity personally. If you're afraid of firing them and leaving the server underrepresented, then I'd hire 4 new ones, let them train, and then fire 2-4 of the old ones. Just my opinion though.

Edit: And Zeus...maybe a LITTLE extreme on your interpretation?

papajchris · #80 09-03-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikedude

Only about 3 of the current PRs (not including squirt) are ever on (not naming anyone). I'd improve quality before quantity personally. If you're afraid of firing them and leaving the server underrepresented, then I'd hire 4 new ones, let them train, and then fire 2-4 of the old ones. Just my opinion though.

Edit: And Zeus...maybe a LITTLE extreme on your interpretation?

My example was way over the top but okay lets bring it down a bit. You save up all your money for years and you are finally getting your first car. You go to the dealership and you give him the money before you drive off with the car. Well the dealer takes your money and says you never gave them anything. So your left with no car or money, and they got your money. So by Geno's belief its a win win because the dealership got free money and the person learned a lesson in trusting people....