The next Graal client - Page 2

Crono · #41 06-04-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

I really don't think it'll be as bad as you guys are anticipating.

I really do hope you can prove me wrong, because I don't know about the rest of you but I'm sick of disappointment. I still despise v5 and want v6 to slap me across the face for ever doubting it.

cbk1994 · #42 06-04-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

I really do hope you can prove me wrong, because I don't know about the rest of you but I'm sick of disappointment. I still despise v5 and want v6 to slap me across the face for ever doubting it.

I agree with you, though I don't think we're in for any huge surprises. Tig's level editor, for example, is very cool, but it still does not match the solid feel of the external one (or Gonstruct).

cbk1994 · #43 06-14-2010, 03:59 PM

Stefan, I know you have a lot on your plate, but we haven't seen a client update in almost 3 years. This is absolutely absurd. I've been ready to use the new scripting features in the Graal betas for a long time now.

Can we please speed it up just a bit?

sssssssssss · #44 06-14-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Stefan, I know you have a lot on your plate, but we haven't seen a client update in almost 3 years. This is absolutely absurd. I've been ready to use the new scripting features in the Graal betas for a long time now.

Can we please speed it up just a bit?

Its been in beta what ... 6 months almost now? ::begs::

coreys · #45 06-14-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

The new windows version has new rendering (DirectX9)

A little behind on that one, aren't you? (Not suggesting going up to DX10 or 11, because those are only on Vista and 7 and I doubt they have much, if any, more support for 2D graphics than DX9)

I'd like to see a more fine grained, built in updating service in the client so that we don't have to until some big new client version to get bug fixes and quick updates. So that you can do small, incremental patches very often. It's not even particularly difficult to achieve, coding-wise.

Pretty much every online game I've ever played does this - they make small updates regularly, weekly even (in some cases). I understand it taking three years to get done with all the changes going into v6, what I don't understand is why you have wait until it's all done before releasing updates (especially the bug fixes).

DustyPorViva · #46 06-14-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by coreys

A little behind on that one, aren't you? (Not suggesting going up to DX10 or 11, because those are only on Vista and 7 and I doubt they have much, if any, more support for 2D graphics than DX9)

I'd like to see a more fine grained, built in updating service in the client so that we don't have to until some big new client version to get bug fixes and quick updates. So that you can do small, incremental patches very often. It's not even particularly difficult to achieve, coding-wise.

Pretty much every online game I've ever played does this - they make small updates regularly, weekly even (in some cases). I understand it taking three years to get done with all the changes going into v6, what I don't understand is why you have wait until it's all done before releasing updates (especially the bug fixes).

The update process has nothing to do with why we're waiting for big updates. Updating the client earlier was as easy as going to the downloads package and clicking update(as far as I remember, I could be wrong...). I'm not sure why he ditched micro-updates, but I hate it so much. We shouldn't have to wait years just to get small bug fixes.

coreys · #47 06-14-2010, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I'm not sure why he ditched micro-updates, but I hate it so much. We shouldn't have to wait years just to get small bug fixes.

Well, ideally, for him it should be as simple as compiling a new binary, testing it out, and hitting a button (metaphorically) to upload it to an update server; then when someone logs into the client it would automatically update. Not that it has to work this way, it just should.

DustyPorViva · #48 06-14-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by coreys

Well, ideally, for him it should be as simple as compiling a new binary, testing it out, and hitting a button (metaphorically) to upload it to an update server; then when someone logs into the client it would automatically update. Not that it has to work this way, it just should.

I think the rumor was he got tired of compiling the smaller updates. I'm not sure of the real reason, if that's not.

coreys · #49 06-15-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I think the rumor was he got tired of compiling the smaller updates. I'm not sure of the real reason, if that's not.

Large C/C++ projects can be notoriously long to compile...

Jiroxys7 · #50 06-15-2010, 12:12 AM

Hopefully the new scripted playerlist wont be anywhere near as laggy as the ones that ive come across. i recall those sometimes seriously bogging down my graal client compared to the f7 playerlist.

cbk1994 · #51 06-15-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by coreys

Large C/C++ projects can be notoriously long to compile...

I doubt that's the case, he makes new betas all the time and usually runs from his own latest "nightly" beta. The problem is that he's just not releasing these betas. I've had an Intel Mac client for probably two years now.

FBI · #52 06-15-2010, 01:16 AM

I heard the GUI player list does not have the option to sort by account name. Is this true?

Draenin · #53 06-15-2010, 01:21 AM

Eh, I would say not to rush it.

Umat · #54 06-15-2010, 01:27 AM

The scripted playerlist is really buggy, atleast for me. But then again, that might be fixed in a unreleased version.

Hiro · #55 06-15-2010, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

The new windows version has new rendering (DirectX9), input, particle engine, playerlist+options+profiles replaced by scripted windows, new Flash support. That means a lot of testing, and we are currently focusing on mobile platforms which is slowing down the development of the windows version right now. It's making good progress though. The old playerlist was actually not that powerful, but easy to use. The new scripted playerlist will definitely be better, and thanks to the scripting it is easier to modify and extend so you will not need to wait 2 years for an update again. The same can be said about the scripted RC, staff can expand the functionality.

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the dedicated get the worst treatment on this development platform

taylor · #56 06-15-2010, 04:04 AM

Personally, I'm excited for everything to be wrapped up and released.

The current beta that I'm using is pretty neat, although I freakin' hate the external windows for the playerlist...

Just my opinion though.

Demisis_P2P · #57 06-15-2010, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FBI

I heard the GUI player list does not have the option to sort by account name. Is this true?

That option has been ruined already.

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Fulg0reSama · #58 06-15-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

That option has been ruined already.

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Shouldn't add so many graal people.

Should just remove the whole graal account labeling.

James · #59 06-15-2010, 10:13 AM

i mad

TSAdmin · #60 06-16-2010, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

That option has been ruined already.

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It shows community name, not account, in the new version.

Deas_Voice · #61 06-16-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin

It shows community name, not account, in the new version.

and with that, it will be even harder to find peoples graal account.

Nasgoroth · #62 06-16-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Deas_Voice

and with that, it will be even harder to find peoples graal account.

Possibly 'showaccount' function? Like 'showonlinetime'?

fowlplay4 · #63 06-16-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nasgoroth

Possibly 'showaccount' function? Like 'showonlinetime'?

or have scripted systems work with both community name and account.

cbk1994 · #64 06-16-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deas_Voice

and with that, it will be even harder to find peoples graal account.

There's no reason to find a player's Graal account when everything is fixed. Until servers fix everything (most things are already fixed generally) the server should implement their own lookup methods.

trimaster · #65 07-02-2010, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

Actually, I plan to rescript the playerlist with Rage from UN to make it more friendly for people to use and more welcoming with the new client.

Things I would like to add in the new playerlist (please note that none of this has been approved by Stefan, and these are just my ideas):

Ability to embed YouTube videos in PMs (will be able to be disabled with an option).
Collapsing/Expanding groups (like buddies, guilds, etc).
Creating your own groups (instead of only having default: Staff, Buddies, Guild, Players)
Smoother UI including buttons for easy hyperlinking and adding smilies for PMs, etc.
Resizable PM windows (meaning you can click & drag that space in between the message & the text edit area and move it up and down to resize the PM... not sure how well I explained it).
Cleaner skin & smoother look
Other UI improvements.

Feel free to make a new thread outlining improvements you'd like to see in the new playerlist if you have some ideas.

All in all, once it's been rescripted, it should actually be nicer than the current external playerlist in the current version.

Sounds pretty much like Rage's GIM (Graal Instant Messenger)

TSAdmin · #66 07-02-2010, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by trimaster

Sounds pretty much like Rage's GIM (Graal Instant Messenger)

That's probably why he mentioned Rage in the very first line, lol.

Chakrah · #67 07-02-2010, 06:25 AM

i can't believe it's not butter

trimaster · #68 07-02-2010, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin

That's probably why he mentioned Rage in the very first line, lol.

Probably lol

_Zelph · #69 07-02-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by trimaster

Sounds pretty much like Rage's GIM (Graal Instant Messenger)

I'm still gonna try to get this out after remaking/optimizing it (Hopefully this late summer/early fall while I have time). It's not an abandoned project or anything.

trimaster · #70 07-17-2010, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by _Zelph

I'm still gonna try to get this out after remaking/optimizing it (Hopefully this late summer/early fall while I have time). It's not an abandoned project or anything.

Oh ok. It's glad to know that you're still going to finish it because that system is just too sexy to not be finished

Fulg0reSama · #71 07-17-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by trimaster

Oh ok. It's glad to know that you're still going to finish it because that system is just too sexy to not be finished

Yeah I remember when he let it out for like beta of sorts, It was pretty impressive.

cbk1994 · #72 07-18-2010, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by trimaster

Oh ok. It's glad to know that you're still going to finish it because that system is just too sexy to not be finished

It was impressive but hardly sexy, at least the version I saw. More like a mess.

_Zelph · #73 07-18-2010, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

It was impressive but hardly sexy, at least the version I saw. More like a mess.

At most the version you saw, because it's not anything like an unsexy mess in its current state.

cbk1994 · #74 07-18-2010, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by _Zelph

At most the version you saw, because it's not anything like an unsexy mess in its current state.

Good to hear you cleaned it up

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12171217 · #75 07-18-2010, 06:28 AM

Need voice/video chat.

Flash 10 can be embedded, right? I know the Flash 10 update ****ed **** up for v5.

joel34 · #76 07-18-2010, 09:53 AM

Error 404:
Unable to release Graal V6. Press any key to continue.

I agree, It should have been released months ago.

Demisis_P2P · #77 07-18-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by joel34

Error 404:
Unable to release Graal V6. Press any key to continue.

I agree, It should have been released months ago.

Have you used the v6 client?

joel34 · #78 07-18-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Have you used the v6 client?

No.

Loriel · #79 07-18-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 12171217

Need voice/video chat.

Wait, what, there is like a million things we rather need.

Crono · #80 07-18-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by joel34

I agree, It should have been released months ago.

No it shouldn't. It's not ready.

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

It was impressive but hardly sexy, at least the version I saw. More like a mess.

Eh, I think he's been updating it to look neater. Last time I saw it it was actually ok.