4 Years of being stagnant

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

They could just be fixed.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Yes, they could be fixed after a large amount of time.
Then we've spent another year getting back to where we were, only with a new HD and nothing new.

Great idea for a server that is in dire need for NEW content.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Some food for thought, brought to you by classic toall system.

maximus_asinus [A]: NPC interaction should also be recorded in this thing
maximus_asinus [A]: like when I buy a ticket instead of "you bought a ticket" it should appear in this interaction thing.
DarkCloud_PK [A]: possibly but thats a lot of recoding
maximus_asinus [L]: /transfer 1 hugs darkcloud_pk
maximus_asinus [A]: okay, then the transfer system atleast
maximus_asinus [A]: "you've recieved 1 hugs from maximus_asinus" in gold text would look nice
DarkCloud_PK [A]: you'd have to make a check to see if people have the chat window enabled or disabled
DarkCloud_PK [A]: other than that, its a good idea
maximus_asinus [A]: yeah, but if you're going to make a window like this you should make it fully intergrated in all the systems, otherwise it is pointless.
DarkCloud_PK [A]: should be i agree, just a lot of development power to do it
DarkCloud_PK [A]: right now i want to see all dev power going to new content
maximus_asinus [A]: I agree completely, but he has already begun this project, I'd be very angry if he left it half finished to go to another project
DarkCloud_PK [A]: i'll suggest it and see where it goes
maximus_asinus [A]: it couldn't be too hard, he'd have to what? tokenize the this.chat variable and make a function within the player's NPC which detects this token and displays it in the bar? I am not the best scripter, but it doesn't seem too complicated.
DarkCloud_PK [A]: its mostly a matter of clientside vs serverside mishmash
DarkCloud_PK [A]: when you get your chat set by an npc, it doesnt detect it on this chat system
DarkCloud_PK [A]: so you'd have to trigger this npc clientside AND check if its even on
DarkCloud_PK [L]: for every npc that makes you chat for messages
DarkCloud_PK [L]: o
DarkCloud_PK [A]: if you get your chat editted by script, it doesnt call the function onPlayerChats(), because technically, you didnt chat
maximus_asinus [A]: yeah I get what you mean
DarkCloud_PK [A]: so if I warpto via chatting it, it will show up on this log
maximus_asinus [A]: is there no work around to maybe just check to see if your chat isn't blank and work from there?
DarkCloud_PK [A]: but if I use playerlist, it wont
DarkCloud_PK [A]: i think he'd have to retool his whole chat system for that
maximus_asinus [A]: he has to make it so toalls don't show up in this bar and on the minimap, makes it confusing.
DarkCloud_PK [A]: i dont think you can disable toalls from going to minimap
DarkCloud_PK [A]: i like toalls being on a chat window
maximus_asinus [A]: I thought there was a way, like with showstats or something
DarkCloud_PK [A]: that way you can always see it, instead of it being gone forever once you click it away
DarkCloud_PK [A]: hm
DarkCloud_PK [A]: possibly
maximus_asinus [A]: again, I'm not the best scripter, so I might be mistaken
DarkCloud_PK [A]: if there is, that would be easy to implement
maximus_asinus [A]: also should be able to move this chat window around. Its a gui script right?
DarkCloud_PK [A]: time to look it up
DarkCloud_PK [A]: use
DarkCloud_PK [A]: yes
DarkCloud_PK [A]: feel free to suggest it to WD, im sure he will take it into account, as long as people stay positive on its addition
DarkCloud_PK [A]: if people start telling him it sucks and needs this, no dev is going to listen
maximus_asinus [A]: already made an attempt to talk to him, he has ignored me outright, or is taking my suggestions silently.
DarkCloud_PK [A]: about what
maximus_asinus [A]: what I'm talking to you about right now.
DarkCloud_PK [A]: the chat system?
maximus_asinus [A]: yeah
DarkCloud_PK [A]: throw in a "nice idea on the chat system, I like it, would it be possible to add "adsdasdfad" to it?"
DarkCloud_PK [A]: devs thrive on their content getting rave reviews
maximus_asinus [A]: another pro about it is that I can copy/paste text from the window, this is a great system.
DarkCloud_PK [A]: be sure to let him know
DarkCloud_PK [A]: i think thats what the last few pages of the huge classic thread is about
DarkCloud_PK [A]: devs getting bashed for their work
DarkCloud_PK [A]: when devs get bashed, it makes them more reluctant to work, not more inspired
DarkCloud_PK [A]: and the reverse is also true
DarkCloud_PK [A]: i am 100% sure that if people used that approach to suggest things to the dev team, it would ultimately yield more content
maximus_asinus [A]: I'll try
DarkCloud_PK [A]: the more compliments and positive response a dev team gets for their work, they more they will be inspired to do more
TheDae [A]: They dont do anything worth praising
DarkCloud_PK [A]: thats why i dont make events anymore, because people never gave me compliments or use the **** i made
maximus_asinus [A]: Dae, this system is a prime example of something good
DarkCloud_PK [A]: ok thedae, how about we just be stagnant for another 4 years
DarkCloud_PK [A]: by making the devs not want to work<br><b>DarkCloud_PK [A]: good idea
maximus_asinus [A]: toall is outdated and barely functioned as it was.
maximus_asinus [A]: now I can paste weblinks into a toall, and a person could copy/paste it into their browser
DarkCloud_PK [A]: i will take a bunch of content with a few flaws over none at all
DarkCloud_PK [A]: dunno about everyone else
maximus_asinus [A]: hey, if it is possible why don't make hyperlinking in the toall system?
DarkCloud_PK [A]: might be possible
DarkCloud_PK [A]: all these suggestions are good
DarkCloud_PK [L]: im going to post this toall log on the forums

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

DarkCloud_PK [A]: ok thedae, how about we just be stagnant for another 4 years

Okay, so a generic chat system removes the stagnation from a server?

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Okay, so a generic chat system removes the stagnation from a server?

no, but its one element to a grander picture.
if people would praise the development team for the good things they release, with a few bugs or not, they'll end up being more inspired.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

no, but its one element to a grander picture.
if people would praise the development team for the good things they release, with a few bugs or not, they'll end up being more inspired.

How would the development team be more "inspired" through positive feedback of negative content?

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by Rufus

How would the development team be more "inspired" through positive feedback of negative content?

How is the chat system negative.
The only complaining I've heard is from you, everyone else has given positive feedback, even maximus likes it.

I never suggested to give positive feedback to crappy content, just to be less negative about it. Also to give positive feedback for good ideas and implementations, buggy or not. If there's some bugs, suggest some fixes with a positive tone, it'll end up getting a better response from your dev team.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

How is the chat system negative.
The only complaining I've heard is from you, everyone else has given positive feedback, even maximus likes it.

I never suggested to give positive feedback to crappy content, just to be less negative about it. Also to give positive feedback for good ideas and implementations, buggy or not. If there's some bugs, suggest some fixes with a positive tone, it'll end up getting a better response from your dev team.

Just because you have a good idea doesn’t mean it's a good idea to implement it. You haven't even heard any complaining from me, because I genuinely spoke to WhiteDragon about the chat system last night and suggested how it could be better implemented. I don't believe that the chat system is cohesive to the server though, it's more like adding new features which seem to be required as a baseline feature for a traditional MMO. Preexisting Graal systems do not mesh very well with it, even besides the toalls, there is nothing to account for guild messages for example.

I do give positive feedback for content that is cohesive to the server it is added, but adding something like this is like trying to be different for the sake of being different. I am pretty certain that Classic can be different and advance without undermining features which have existed for years and replacing them with generic MMO ones. By adding content that is completely different from the content which has existed for years alienates the players who feel as though Classic should be somewhat Classic. If those players who moan on for that content to return actually like this system, it's going to be pretty ironic really.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Yes, they could be fixed after a large amount of time.
Then we've spent another year getting back to where we were, only with a new HD and nothing new.

Great idea for a server that is in dire need for NEW content.

How is it stupid? Classic is in dire need of a capable HD. If that means it's gonna break stuff then that stuff needs to be fixed. I'd rather have a better HD and have things fixed up than just leave what's there now just because it might break a few things.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

How is it stupid? Classic is in dire need of a capable HD. If that means it's gonna break stuff then that stuff needs to be fixed. I'd rather have a better HD and have things fixed up than just leave what's there now just because it might break a few things.

Classic is in dire need of new content, not more HD's.
If we keep spending dev time to switch everything to default for a couple years, we would then have a default HD and nothing else(it isnt going to break a few things, its going to break MOST things).
Meanwhile, UN and other servers have default HD and a ton of other things to do. Who wants to keep playing classic in its current state with whatever HD is has?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Classic is in dire need of new content, not more HD's.
If we keep spending dev time to switch everything to default for a couple years, we would then have a default HD and nothing else(it isnt going to break a few things, its going to break MOST things).
Meanwhile, UN and other servers have default HD and a ton of other things to do. Who wants to keep playing classic in its current state with whatever HD is has?

Important things need to be fixed first. Why build even more content on a broken HD? Then there's going to be even more to fix in the long-run when HD is finally revisited(which it needs to be).

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Important things need to be fixed first. Why build even more content on a broken HD? Then there's going to be even more to fix in the long-run when HD is finally revisited(which it needs to be).

Just because it isnt default doesnt make it broken, it makes it different. The HD isn't as important as the complete lack of things to do. Hell, even a lot of the things slated for release are completely unrelated to HD in the first place.

Get your priorities straight, and get a grasp on reality. If we have to spend anymore significant time rebuilding whats already there, you might as well delete Classic, because its never going to get back up.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Just because it isnt default doesnt make it broken, it makes it different. The HD isn't as important as the complete lack of things to do. Hell, even a lot of the things slated for release are completely unrelated to HD in the first place.

Get your priorities straight, and get a grasp on reality. If we have to spend anymore significant time rebuilding whats already there, you might as well delete Classic, because its never going to get back up.

Apparently, with all the complaints, the HD is very important. When everyone finishes all they have to do content-wise(which doesn't take long, no matter how much they add), they do what? Spar/PK. How can they do that with a broken HD?

I agree, you shouldn't have to spend any more time on it... but now you do. That's not my fault though. 4 years and barely any content and system after system being 'fixed' until now everyone hates it. All Classic has done is dug itself a hole and yes, it has to be pulled out before adding anything else or else the hole is just going to get deeper.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Apparently, with all the complaints, the HD is very important. When everyone finishes all they have to do content-wise(which doesn't take long, no matter how much they add), they do what? Spar/PK. How can they do that with a broken HD?

I agree, you shouldn't have to spend any more time on it... but now you do. That's not my fault though. 4 years and barely any content and system after system being 'fixed' until now everyone hates it. All Classic has done is dug itself a hole and yes, it has to be pulled out before adding anything else or else the hole is just going to get deeper.

The people complain about the HD no matter what HD you put in, they put a default emulation online and everyone complained. We have spar rooms and PK rooms that use the DEFAULT HD, noone uses them. If you put in default HD, noone is going to come back, they will stay on UN. Until everyone magically has the same ping to the server, someone will complain about any HD being used.

Classic dug its hole not making content besides GC events, not by having a certain HD. People don't stay away from classic because of the HD, they stay away because THERE IS NOTHING TO DO. Try playing classic instead of sitting on the sidelines guessing, because you don't have a clue.