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[Chompy]

Originally Posted by Loriel

I am pretty sure you need copyright, not permission or creatorship.

You're right. (If you're the creator, you can upload it though.)

When I last searched for freeware music and midi files, all these royalty free ones popped up, saying that you could only use them for personal use. Wouldn't that exclude usage on Graal? Just wondering.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Chompy

If you're the creator, you can upload it though

Not if you transfered copyright to someone else, though! Also, uh, generally not if you gave someone else exclusive usage rights already, or something funny like that, I guess.

(Not a lawyer, did not read the Graal rules recently, hate music)

When I last searched for freeware music and midi files, all these royalty free ones popped up, saying that you could only use them for personal use. Wouldn't that exclude usage on Graal? Just wondering.

I am pretty sure that would.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Chompy

When I last searched for freeware music and midi files, all these royalty free ones popped up, saying that you could only use them for personal use. Wouldn't that exclude usage on Graal? Just wondering.

If you're streaming the music from a separate webserver, then you don't face any copyright infringement liability, neither does Graal. The owner of the webserver that has uploaded it, and made it available for streaming, does. It's the same concept that protects MP3 search engines.

So, as long as the files are being streamed, rather than played from the server, he should be fine. Of course, you should probably heed the webserver's rules, which probably prohibits streaming. If you're in need of good, royalty-free music provider, search for OC Remix.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

If you're streaming the music from a separate webserver, then you don't face any copyright infringement liability, neither does Graal.

That sounds a bit questionable. By the same logic, bittorrent trackers are perfectly legal because they just provide links and do not actually store the illegaly distributed material in question.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Loriel

That sounds a bit questionable. By the same logic, bittorrent trackers are perfectly legal because they just provide links and do not actually store the illegaly distributed material in question.

Well, I usually avoid discussions on the legality of anything bittorrent. I'm no expert on how bittorrent works, but the legality of any online copyright infringement lies in whether or not the work is being copied and redistributed. With bittorrent, it's practically impossible to NOT redistribute the torrents you're downloading. With streaming, though, you're neither downloading nor redistributing.

Originally Posted by CharlieM

A lot of the music companies have decided not to go after online copy infringment legally anymore because of the fact its almost impossible to stop it

I heard about this. I have been seeing a lot less MediaSentry on PeerGuardian...

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

With streaming, though, you're neither downloading nor redistributing.

I am refering to whether Graal or the tracker are doing anything legally questionable, not the guys actually downloading the music.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Loriel

I am refering to whether Graal or the tracker are doing anything legally questionable, not the guys actually downloading the music.

I can't see any reason why Graal would be liable for streaming content, unless the content is actually hosted on their servers.

Originally Posted by Loriel

I can imagine team Eurocenter would be more than willing to disallow people illegaly streaming music in order to avoid that.

Organizations like MediaSentry scanning GraalOnline? There are bigger fish in the ocean.

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Don't bother trying to play MP3's you upload to the graal server since there is just not enough room to work with as well as the 1MB~ download limit so find a webhost you can upload music and link to. {URL} also has a mp3 search! just food for thought.

You've earned yourself a nip in the butt from the moderation team. Might want to do some quick editing.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Loriel

That sounds a bit questionable. By the same logic, bittorrent trackers are perfectly legal because they just provide links and do not actually store the illegaly distributed material in question.

That's the PirateBay's logic and it's working for them. They only store a hash on their servers thus companies find it impossible to sue them through Swedish law

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Twinny

That's the PirateBay's logic and it's working for them. They only store a hash on their servers thus companies find it impossible to sue them through Swedish law

Yeah, Swedish law. Graal is operating in France and has servers in the US, as far as I know. It is not going to work there.

Edit: Also it did not protect PirateBay from being harassed by the police and having their hardware confiscated. I can imagine team Eurocenter would be more than willing to disallow people illegaly streaming music in order to avoid that.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Loriel

Edit: Also it did not protect PirateBay from being harassed by the police and having their hardware confiscated. I can imagine team Eurocenter would be more than willing to disallow people illegaly streaming music in order to avoid that.

They also got their hardware back since the police had no right to cease it in the first place.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

They also got their hardware back since the police had no right to cease it in the first place.

I am sure that comforted them after the huge downtime, loss of ad revenue and all the effort and lawyer money dumped into getting everything back.