true question

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Have you guys not learned by now that your means of approaching rules and so forth thus far has failed miserably, and continuing to approach them in such ways will only result in failure?

That's what the topic was originally about. The fact that people are always told to use the Support Centre but it doesn't work. Perhaps the thought it, "How can I ask to improve the Support Centre when the Support Centre doesn't seem to work?".

Self righteousness, arrogance and ignorance are not helpful traits in these forums. Be helpful, not dismissive of the players who are on exactly the same level as you are.

I'm sure this is already done but perhaps an audit is needed to be done on the Support Centre. Closely examine it's use and effectiveness during a period of time. As for possible corruption amongst those that have access to the Support Centre, a notice should be made that you can indeed skip straight to Unixmad with such claims, provided you have some sort of evidence.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by coreys

SHUT THE **** UP ALREADY. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. THIS IS SO GOD DAMN UNRELATED.

God, I wish there was an ignore function I could use to ignore Gambets posts.

You do ignore them.

You don't understand a thing I say because you don't have the mentality for it, thus, it's the same thing as ignoring what I'm trying to state since your posts are all biased towards me regardless of what I say.

And quite frankly, I don't care.

Originally Posted by Twinny

That's what the topic was originally about. The fact that people are always told to use the Support Centre but it doesn't work. Perhaps the thought it, "How can I ask to improve the Support Centre when the Support Centre doesn't seem to work?".

Self righteousness, arrogance and ignorance are not helpful traits in these forums. Be helpful, not dismissive of the players who are on exactly the same level as you are.

Do you know why you're sent to the support center? Ever thought of that?


The globals barely have any rights. Most of the problems can only be dealt with by the higher administration.


This is a business, don't tell the administration to higher some player as a global administrator, else you'll get the whole Nemesis episode again (not that I personally had anything wrong with him, since we got along, but we all know what he did...).


Stefan doesn't trust people with rights.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Do you know why you're sent to the support center? Ever thought of that?

To deal with problems. Now think logically: What would players think about when they intend to complain about the current state of the support centre:
"hmm I shall use what I perceive to be an inefficient system to complain about it's inefficiency!"

or

"Perhaps I can bring this up in the forums in a hope some nice and well thought about arguments / discussions occur on the subject."

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Twinny

To deal with problems. Now think logically: What would players think about when they intend to complain about the current state of the support centre:
"hmm I shall use what I perceive to be an inefficient system to complain about it's inefficiency!"

or

"Perhaps I can bring this up in the forums in a hope some nice and well thought about arguments / discussions occur on the subject."

The support center is currently your best way of getting help from the people that can actually help you unless you have personal contacts with Stefan, unixmad, and/or Ibonic.


You're basically asked for the administration to devote their lives to reading the forums (more in-depth then they current do), which isn't logical nor realistic.

[coreys]

Originally Posted by Gambet

The support center is currently your best way of getting help from the people that can actually help you unless you have personal contacts with Stefan, unixmad, and/or Ibonic.

If thats the best way, then that must mean that you get no response ever in all of eternity with the other methods.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by coreys

If thats the best way, then that must mean that you get no response ever in all of eternity with the other methods.

When Stefan gets on a server, he gets 2130123012302130 PMs.

Chances are, he'll miss a few important PMs due to all of the crap PMs that he gets with people bothering him.

He doesn't use email, though he PROBABLY has some form of a chat messenging system, but obviously he wouldn't give it to anyone (at least I know unixmad has ICQ).


Stefan probably also gets countless forum PMs a day, most of which he doesn't even read since I have a few PMs that have been unread for years now.


I mean really, the Graal administration just isn't big enough, nor do they have to cash to have a professional team.

[Twinny]

Perhaps the suggestion about the empowerment of the current forum administrator is a good idea then. If Moonie can make decisions based on what she thinks is best for all, it's less to worry about for Unixmad / Stefan.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Gambet

The support center is currently your best way of getting help from the people that can actually help you unless you have personal contacts with Stefan, unixmad, and/or Ibonic.

I know Stefan reads these forums. Moonie definitely does and she can have influence.

The point it Gambet, don't be so quick to shut down everything. Give ideas a chance. You're too fast to dismiss any persons thought with a dismissive insult aimed at their intelligence compared to your own.

I don't mind these forums as long as personal insults are left out, bashing doesn't occur and pure ignorance is left out as well. Well thought out ideas with informative responses are good.