true question

[PrinceDark]

God we were having a discussion. Moonie delete Gambets posts that are offtopic that is starting a ridiculous argument and mines too since its off. :/

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Gambet

It's a general term, directed at all general posts that have been made that stated something similar as that of which I quoted.

God you sound like Stephen (Sorry Stephen for comparing you to gambet, I have nothing personally against you).

But would it be so hard for you guys to just, I dunno, say what you mean in ONE POST. Rather then saying something, opening your mouth, stuffing your foot in there, and having to try to back out of it later? (Not that Stephen has done this, but some of his posts are complicated on my brain, and he clears them for someone later).

Don't try to act like a smart ass when you yourself have no idea what you're talking about.

L-O-L

I know I cant be the only one on this forum that knows why THIS part is funny.

Gambet just quit posting here if all you are looking for is trouble, some of us are trying to have an adult discussion.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

God you sound like Stephen (Sorry Stephen for comparing you to gambet, I have nothing personally against you).

But would it be so hard for you guys to just, I dunno, say what you mean in ONE POST. Rather then saying something, opening your mouth, stuffing your foot in there, and having to try to back out of it later? (Not that Stephen has done this, but some of his posts are complicated on my brain, and he clears them for someone later).

I'm not backing away from anything.

I love how you're trying to hide the fact that you misinterpreted my post, and thus, don't want to admit your own stupidity.


I should know the intentions to my own posts, thanks. Don't try to argue with me about it, because if you actually took a second to think about it, you'd realize how stupid you'd be to bother arguing with me about my own intentions on my own post.

Originally Posted by Andy0687

L-O-L

I know I cant be the only one on this forum that knows why THIS part is funny.

Gambet just quit posting here if all you are looking for is trouble, some of us are trying to have an adult discussion.

You can't have an adult discussion when you speak like a child.

Originally Posted by Infernix

Hmmm ahh yeaaa....enough said back on topic.

Read up...

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Infernix

The almighty lame Gambet is right cough cough back on topic.

And yet you still expect to be treated like an adult?


Yeah, exactly. This is why 'customers' go no-where with such discussions.

[coreys]

Originally Posted by Gambet

It's a general term, directed at all general posts that have been made that stated something similar as that of which I quoted.



Don't try to act like a smart ass when you yourself have no idea what you're talking about.

Shut the **** up and let us get on with this discussion and not have a another thread derailed because of you insisting and making an idiotic argument thats almost completely unrelated, and fully not worth it.

You too Inferno.

[PrinceDark]

Just ignore him. If you keep responding and quoting him, he will keep bickering for the attention he's crying for. On to the topic.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Infernix

No, Im just getting down your level.

You'd only wish to be up at my level, and it's nothing about being highly intelligent or anything like that, moreso you lack logical sense when it comes to approaching the administration about problems regarding the game.


Have you guys not learned by now that your means of approaching rules and so forth thus far has failed miserably, and continuing to approach them in such ways will only result in failure?

They say that history repeats itself but God it seems to repeat itself everyday on these forums.


Learn from your failures and move on to a new method, maybe then you'll probably get what you want.

Originally Posted by PrinceDark

Just ignore him. If you keep responding and quoting him, he will keep bickering for the attention he's crying for. On to the topic.

Yes, because if I don't 'stoop down to your level', then I'm clearly an enemy and should be bashed for not agreeing with you guys?

But wait, this was supposed to be an adult conversation, wasn't it?


I speak my mind, I don't need others to speak for me.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Have you guys not learned by now that your means of approaching rules and so forth thus far has failed miserably, and continuing to approach them in such ways will only result in failure?

That's what the topic was originally about. The fact that people are always told to use the Support Centre but it doesn't work. Perhaps the thought it, "How can I ask to improve the Support Centre when the Support Centre doesn't seem to work?".

Self righteousness, arrogance and ignorance are not helpful traits in these forums. Be helpful, not dismissive of the players who are on exactly the same level as you are.

I'm sure this is already done but perhaps an audit is needed to be done on the Support Centre. Closely examine it's use and effectiveness during a period of time. As for possible corruption amongst those that have access to the Support Centre, a notice should be made that you can indeed skip straight to Unixmad with such claims, provided you have some sort of evidence.

[coreys]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Blabber

SHUT THE **** UP ALREADY. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. THIS IS SO GOD DAMN UNRELATED.

God, I wish there was an ignore function I could use to ignore Gambets posts.

Actually, all of you shut up.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by coreys

SHUT THE **** UP ALREADY. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. THIS IS SO GOD DAMN UNRELATED.

God, I wish there was an ignore function I could use to ignore Gambets posts.

You do ignore them.

You don't understand a thing I say because you don't have the mentality for it, thus, it's the same thing as ignoring what I'm trying to state since your posts are all biased towards me regardless of what I say.

And quite frankly, I don't care.

Originally Posted by Twinny

That's what the topic was originally about. The fact that people are always told to use the Support Centre but it doesn't work. Perhaps the thought it, "How can I ask to improve the Support Centre when the Support Centre doesn't seem to work?".

Self righteousness, arrogance and ignorance are not helpful traits in these forums. Be helpful, not dismissive of the players who are on exactly the same level as you are.

Do you know why you're sent to the support center? Ever thought of that?


The globals barely have any rights. Most of the problems can only be dealt with by the higher administration.


This is a business, don't tell the administration to higher some player as a global administrator, else you'll get the whole Nemesis episode again (not that I personally had anything wrong with him, since we got along, but we all know what he did...).


Stefan doesn't trust people with rights.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Do you know why you're sent to the support center? Ever thought of that?

To deal with problems. Now think logically: What would players think about when they intend to complain about the current state of the support centre:
"hmm I shall use what I perceive to be an inefficient system to complain about it's inefficiency!"

or

"Perhaps I can bring this up in the forums in a hope some nice and well thought about arguments / discussions occur on the subject."

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Twinny

To deal with problems. Now think logically: What would players think about when they intend to complain about the current state of the support centre:
"hmm I shall use what I perceive to be an inefficient system to complain about it's inefficiency!"

or

"Perhaps I can bring this up in the forums in a hope some nice and well thought about arguments / discussions occur on the subject."

The support center is currently your best way of getting help from the people that can actually help you unless you have personal contacts with Stefan, unixmad, and/or Ibonic.


You're basically asked for the administration to devote their lives to reading the forums (more in-depth then they current do), which isn't logical nor realistic.

[coreys]

Originally Posted by Gambet

The support center is currently your best way of getting help from the people that can actually help you unless you have personal contacts with Stefan, unixmad, and/or Ibonic.

If thats the best way, then that must mean that you get no response ever in all of eternity with the other methods.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by coreys

SHUT THE **** UP ALREADY. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. THIS IS SO GOD DAMN UNRELATED.

God, I wish there was an ignore function I could use to ignore Gambets posts.

Actually, all of you shut up.

Go into someone's profile, there is an option to add them to your Ignore list.

Here's a link to add Gambet:
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...=ignore&u=3132

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Gambet

The support center is currently your best way of getting help from the people that can actually help you unless you have personal contacts with Stefan, unixmad, and/or Ibonic.

I know Stefan reads these forums. Moonie definitely does and she can have influence.

The point it Gambet, don't be so quick to shut down everything. Give ideas a chance. You're too fast to dismiss any persons thought with a dismissive insult aimed at their intelligence compared to your own.

I don't mind these forums as long as personal insults are left out, bashing doesn't occur and pure ignorance is left out as well. Well thought out ideas with informative responses are good.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by coreys

If thats the best way, then that must mean that you get no response ever in all of eternity with the other methods.

When Stefan gets on a server, he gets 2130123012302130 PMs.

Chances are, he'll miss a few important PMs due to all of the crap PMs that he gets with people bothering him.

He doesn't use email, though he PROBABLY has some form of a chat messenging system, but obviously he wouldn't give it to anyone (at least I know unixmad has ICQ).


Stefan probably also gets countless forum PMs a day, most of which he doesn't even read since I have a few PMs that have been unread for years now.


I mean really, the Graal administration just isn't big enough, nor do they have to cash to have a professional team.

[Infernix]

Ive deleted my own post regarding Gambet in order to make an effort to bring the thread back on topic. Id request others do the same.

[Twinny]

Perhaps the suggestion about the empowerment of the current forum administrator is a good idea then. If Moonie can make decisions based on what she thinks is best for all, it's less to worry about for Unixmad / Stefan.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Infernix

Ive deleted my own post regarding Gambet in order to make an effort to bring the thread back on topic. Id request others do the same.

Yeah, a few posts too late there, pal.

Originally Posted by Twinny

Perhaps the suggestion about the empowerment of the current forum administrator is a good idea then. If Moonie can make decisions based on what she thinks is best for all, it's less to worry about for Unixmad / Stefan.

There are issues that Ibonic can't even handle, why would they give more rights to Moonie, who isn't even a global?

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Gambet

There are issues that Ibonic can't even handle, why would they give more rights to Moonie, who isn't even a global?

Empowerment as a forum administrator. Moonie has said countless times she often needs to get Unixmad's approval for actions. If these requests are repetitive in nature, perhaps Moonie could receive empowerment for these actions so she does not need to wait/disturb Unixmad. This would not extend very far at all beyond the forums.

One idea to promote change and development in this forum.

[zell12]

Moonie, since we are all sharing our opinions here, what is YOUR opinion on the rules, and the actions of moderators? Feel free to PM me if you do not wish to discuss it publicly.


Koni, you keep posting the same thing over and over again, no one is listening to you. Thanks.\

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what else.... Excal my brother, your sig is too red. :P

[Crono]

I must say im quite happy this thread is still up.

And you people said no progress was going to be made, pfft. This thread is walking proof.

[Andy0687]

Can we get some moderation on Gambet I think in this thread he has called us "stupid" "idiotic" and "retarted" isnt that worse then *****, that should be 3 infractions and a ban, but then again im not a moderator.

I dunno what else to say, I really dont. I feel like im fighting a battle I know im going to lose here but I feel its also importaint that everyone gets to voice their opinion otherwise there is no chance for improvement at all.

[Crono]

James, the best way to report someone is just copy paste their posts and PM moonie. Trust me it works all the time.

Also Gambet why you always gotta spoil our fun?

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Also Gambet why you always gotta spoil our fun?

And the chance for any change to occur as a result of this thread.

[Devil]

DONT LET MOONIE get rights to make her own decisions, what a silly idea Twinny. Pfft.

[Skrobo2]

Originally Posted by Devil

DONT LET MOONIE get rights to make her own decisions, what a silly idea Twinny. Pfft.

I would hope at 41 years old she could make good, intelligent decisions.

[Devil]

Wow quote of the year.

Just because someone is 41, that doesn't make them wise.

[Skrobo2]

Originally Posted by Devil

Wow quote of the year.

Just because someone is 41, that doesn't make them wise.

Never said I thought she could, just said I would hope she could. Her age is actually a disadvantage, because this isn't her generation. She's a bit clueless at times.

[Tyhm]

Meh. The way I look at it, this forum's a little podunk town off the interstate. The mayor's also the sheriff, deputy, and undertaker. If you get caught littering in her county, it's the lockup for you - and don't bother appealing to the mayor, the mayor agrees with the sheriff. If you got a problem with it, well, the mayor's just doing her duty as handed down by the president of the yew-nited states of God Bless America, and until he changes his mind she's gonna lock you up.

For such people as get locked up, a travesty has taken place - this mayor needs to excercise some authority and let them loose: littering's too small an offence, and besides [extenuating circumstances here] - but she won't, she's not about to go against the President. Then the Governor, or the Senator, or even the State Representative should excercise some authority - but amazingly, the mayor doesn't report to anyone like that. Heck, maybe the Mayor's the Governor too.

I don't care who makes the decisions, I really don't. Moonie, Sam, Ibonic, Lyndzey, Galen, heck even Olorin, but Somebody needs to be available to sit in adjudication of rule conflicts instead of our trusty admin-bot enforcing them all because "These are Unixmad's rules."

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Twinny

Empowerment as a forum administrator. Moonie has said countless times she often needs to get Unixmad's approval for actions. If these requests are repetitive in nature, perhaps Moonie could receive empowerment for these actions so she does not need to wait/disturb Unixmad. This would not extend very far at all beyond the forums.

One idea to promote change and development in this forum.

Umm, she should have the rights already. I think she just refers to unixmad because it's his business and it should be ran how he wants it, thus I see perfectly why Darlene refers to unixmad for approval for certain actions and so forth.

I mean really, what more "power" does Darlene need on the forums? She should already have the rights to do just about everything anyways, I think it's just a matter of making sure things are fine with unixmad first, which again, is highly understandable as long as unixmad keeps in touch with her often (or vice versa).

Originally Posted by Tyhm

"These are Unixmad's rules."

And this is his business.


You guys can complain and threaten to form a rebellion/quit as much as you want, but how many times have a lot of you tried to quit Graal in the past and have failed?

[Twinny]

I think I'll believe what Moonie says about her current position over what you say her current position is.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Twinny

I think I'll believe what Moonie says about her current position over what you say her current position is.

-_-
That's like believing the criminal, even though there's a lot of evidence against him.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Twinny

I think I'll believe what Moonie says about her current position over what you say her current position is.

Gambet is exactly right. I think he is one of the only very few that has actually read my posts and understood them.

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Gambet

I was referring to the comment that I quoted that was directed towards Darlene, not about anything else posted.

Looks like you're the one that's having trouble with reading, pal.

RTDM (Read the damn thread!) do you think anyone here takes you seriously? just leave and don't come back...Again.

I love how Gambets completely off topic yet his post are not deleted

Originally Posted by Skrobo2

I would hope at 41 years old she could make good, intelligent decisions.

Well your wrong there chum.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Gambet is exactly right. I think he is one of the only very few that has actually read my posts and understood them.

Your saying that because hes taking heat off you, delete his post now do your job since he is off topic. Or does it not apply when they are sucking up to you?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by zim5354

Your saying that because hes taking heat off you, delete his post now do your job since he is off topic. Or does it not apply when they are sucking up to you?

Can you explain how he is offtopic?
The original post was about using the support center with complaints about the mods. The whole thread has been discussing the mods, the support center, and so on. So how is he offtopic?
Gambets first reply in this thread was in reply to someone saying that the community wants me removed, so who actually went offtopic? There seems to be more than one topic in this thread, but is all tied in together.

[Twinny]

I was hoping my intepretation was right but sadly no. Change is actively discouraged here by all members of upper administration. would seem.

[Infernix]

Oddly enough the forum community hates Gambet as well for being a stuck up prick who tries to suck up. And why dont you be a good Mod then and go hit him up with about 3 infractions for the insults he was spitting out. Or wait are you not going to ban him like you did me in the Mac thread because he is more or less "on your side."

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Infernix

Oddly enough the forum community hates Gambet as well for being a stuck up prick who tries to suck up. And why dont you be a good Mod then and go hit him up with about 3 infractions for the insults he was spitting out. Or wait are you not going to ban him like you did me in the Mac thread because he is more or less "on your side."

Yes, I'm a suck up because I don't have the same mindset as you?


I don't need people to like me to make sense. My points have been backed up (from Darlene herself), I don't see any of your points holding any validity.


Consider me what you want, but I speak what I feel. If you knew anything about me, which you don't, you'd know that I too have spoken up against the administration, countless of times, but Darlene knows that I'm reasonable and I try to see things from both sides, thus why I believe she has some form of respect for me, as I do to her, since she does nothing wrong except for enforcing the rules.


Malinko was a suck up, not me.


If I have to risk my own pride to fit in with you guys, then I'd rather not. In fact, I don't want to associate with people as yourself that just bad mouth everyone who doesn't have your same views.

Then again, I don't even know you, and for good reason too, since from the little that I do know of you, I wouldn't want to associate myself with you anyways. It's a shame that the general Graal population is seen in a negative perspective from the administration because of people like you that just ramble on about what you feel should be done and you continue until what you want is done, else, you'll cry about it and insult the administration for doing a bad job.


You sicken me.

[Stephen]

Eh, I wouldn't call Gambet a suck up. A prick, perhaps - but he's got his own opinions, even if they're not always right... but he always thinks about it. So he's definately not a big trouble maker.