Seriously.. Wtf?

Sage_Shadowbane · #1 08-29-2009, 07:44 AM

Ok, I just logged in and it seems the server list is getting smaller and smaller. Wtf is going on with Graal? Like is this some type of joke or something? Stefan claims that he looks at it as a Development platform now. So if that's the case, why are we still paying for accounts AND developing? Should it not be just paying to develop? Graal seriously needs some changes done to make it not such a joke!

Im getting sick of all this crap that has been going on lately.

MysticX2X · #2 08-29-2009, 07:55 AM

This is being discussed atm.

Sage_Shadowbane · #3 08-29-2009, 07:58 AM

That's the opposite of what I'm saying. I think ACCOUNTS should be free, and developing should cost. It would obviously bring more people in if they didn't have to pay just to play this god forsaken game.

Hiro · #4 08-29-2009, 08:10 AM

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That's the opposite of what I'm saying. I think ACCOUNTS should be free, and developing should cost. It would obviously bring more people in if they didn't have to pay just to play this god forsaken game.

or at least make people pay once, like it was before

MysticX2X · #5 08-29-2009, 07:59 AM

It costs money to keep this game running. I don't think Graal will be free anytime soon.

I was just under the assumption that you were implying developers getting free uc access, which is a controversial topic at the moment.

Liberated · #6 08-29-2009, 08:30 AM

the list got smaller is because both hosted worlds dissapeared, atleast for aeon i can say it will come back in a while tho, it just has to be renewed.

cbk1994 · #7 08-29-2009, 09:10 AM

Makes me want to make a hosted server

Pelikano · #8 08-29-2009, 10:44 AM

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Makes me want to make a hosted server

you fix era first

Vima · #9 08-29-2009, 02:26 PM

Yeah, all H-Tab servers have been disappearing.

AEON has disappeared because of Poodie & Napo.
It will be back soon with new power, we are looking forward to get the server to classic tab. Once it's back, It wont be long untill it's time to apply!

and about that, yeah. I think accounts should be free; to develop/buy a server and that should cost. Also they should release Graal as a "Developement Platform".
I mean come on, they have nothing to lose, no new players are comming to Graal.

Rufus · #10 08-29-2009, 02:52 PM

So awesome how there's no longer any hosted servers, I didn't even notice until I seen this thread. The tab itself was a complete waste of time anyway, only one server got off it in entire time that it has existed. I hope it doesn't come back, it looks much better in my opinion.

Pelikano · #11 08-29-2009, 02:56 PM

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So awesome how there's no longer any hosted servers, I didn't even notice until I seen this thread. The tab itself was a complete waste of time anyway, only one server got off it in entire time that it has existed. I hope it doesn't come back, it looks much better in my opinion.

Yeah, people get their server on the hosted tab and their productivity stops insanely, no idea why

Rave_J · #12 08-29-2009, 03:09 PM

cause most managers/developer notice a lot of players don't like the server or equal to lazyness. Zenkou is getting back up on hosted tab i think monday but not to sure about it.

salesman · #13 08-29-2009, 06:13 PM

Okay, my thread about developers not having to pay was stretching it, but I can never see players not having to pay.

CJ may look at this as a development platform, but there are far more players than developers.

Hiro · #14 08-29-2009, 06:56 PM

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Okay, my thread about developers not having to pay was stretching it, but I can never see players not having to pay.

CJ may look at this as a development platform, but there are far more players than developers.

how ironic

LoneAngelIbesu · #15 08-29-2009, 07:14 PM

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how ironic

How is that ironic? There should be more players than developers. Do you understand the concept of a game engine/development platform at all?

You pay to play the game because it costs money to host the game, among other costs that the owners have. Developers pay to develop for that same reason. The reason why it costs so much is because there aren't many players, but hosting costs have either stayed the same or have increased.

Feel free to conjecture about why there are less players, but the fact remains that if any of you bothered to make a great server yourself, then maybe you'd be able to draw in more players. Stop placing the blame on Stefan and other GraalOnline staffers.

fowlplay4 · #16 08-29-2009, 07:35 PM

I think you guys are starting to put words into Stefan's mouth, considering you've extended his post into quite a few threads and pages now.

The main premise being that Stefan doesn't give a ****.

Also accounts are free.. subscriptions are not but I guess we were supposed to assume that's what you meant.

Even with a trial account you can pretty much experience every listed server Graal has to offer, provided you can put up with observer mode on Classic servers and the limits placed on Gold servers.

Couldn't really do that when trial accounts were reset every time you logged out.

So as Lone said..

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Feel free to conjecture about why there are less players, but the fact remains that if any of you bothered to make a great server yourself, then maybe you'd be able to draw in more players. Stop placing the blame on Stefan and other GraalOnline staffers.

Vima · #17 08-29-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

How is that ironic? There should be more players than developers. Do you understand the concept of a game engine/development platform at all?

You pay to play the game because it costs money to host the game, among other costs that the owners have. Developers pay to develop for that same reason. The reason why it costs so much is because there aren't many players, but hosting costs have either stayed the same or have increased.

Feel free to conjecture about why there are less players, but the fact remains that if any of you bothered to make a great server yourself, then maybe you'd be able to draw in more players. Stop placing the blame on Stefan and other GraalOnline staffers.

What I don't like is that poeple here doesn't think about the future, they only think about the present.
"We need to bring in money to be able to host the servers."
Well what about in next year? In two years?
We have tried with this business plan for many years now, maybe it's time to remake it.

Graal, to me, is a developement platform.
They host the servers, we make the content, they get the money.
But in the end Graal cannot entirely depend on us constantly updating their servers, making new servers like they do now.
We need to work together, they need to have contact with us, developers.
Just something like they replying to some of our ideas threads would to me mean a lot,
visiting promising servers would also inspire a lot of developers to work even harder.

We are a small community, we are getting smaller and smaller each year.
Yet they don't keep in touch with us.

Hiro · #18 08-29-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

How is that ironic? There should be more players than developers. Do you understand the concept of a game engine/development platform at all?

You pay to play the game because it costs money to host the game, among other costs that the owners have. Developers pay to develop for that same reason. The reason why it costs so much is because there aren't many players, but hosting costs have either stayed the same or have increased.

Feel free to conjecture about why there are less players, but the fact remains that if any of you bothered to make a great server yourself, then maybe you'd be able to draw in more players. Stop placing the blame on Stefan and other GraalOnline staffers.

for a person who sits comfortably on valikorlia, you sure do have a lot of opinions on the workings of graal as a whole. you also don't seem to understand that val is not a user-friendly environment, nor is it drawing in new players, so while you try to make graal a less player-oriented place, you also don't try to make players like the game. you're perception is too biased an opinion to make any difference in this conversation, and constantly stating that "everything is fine, shut up" won't win. when was the last time you gave graal money to develop?

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Anyways, speak for yourself. I don't need Stefan to log on to Valikorlia and give me a motivational speech, for me to improve the server. If you do, then that sucks for you. Stefan has better things to do than baby a community that's perfectly capable of doing things for itself.

If you don't like the way development works, then leave. It's that simple. If you enjoy it, then stay. If you can't afford it, then that sucks for you; go bug server staff to make better servers, bring more players in, and thus decrease upgrade costs. The energy you people are putting in to shouting at anyone but the separate servers' staff is energy wasted.

yea, let's take a scattered assortment of developers and make them run the entire game themselves, while at the same time reducing the player count and not putting out anything content (and really, how many new players has valikorlia brought in recently?)

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I think you guys are starting to put words into Stefan's mouth, considering you've extended his post into quite a few threads and pages now.

The main premise being that Stefan doesn't give a ****.

Also accounts are free.. subscriptions are not but I guess we were supposed to assume that's what you meant.

Even with a trial account you can pretty much experience every listed server Graal has to offer, provided you can put up with observer mode on Classic servers and the limits placed on Gold servers.

Couldn't really do that when trial accounts were reset every time you logged out.

So as Lone said..

i've been going on the same premise the entire time, which is that graal, being a development platform, means that the community itself has to generate the content to get new players to play, as well as pay for graal to operate. i don't have any insight to whether stefan cares about graal or not, that isn't really my concern, but it's clear that we're to be making the content because he hasn't taken any action on making any player-specific updates in awhile

that said, going on with what vima said, servers really could use some support in getting through. the GDT is formed but who knows if that will progress anything into a new classic server, and eventually updates for the client and developer tools will be out, but who knows if that will produce any solid content

WaDaFack · #19 08-29-2009, 09:04 PM

You know what.. screw this. I'm going to every forum on the internet spamming them with Graal ads, WHOS WITH ME!?

Crono1508 · #20 08-29-2009, 10:52 PM

I just wish there was a way to draw attention to newer players. The playercount on any server is dramatically low now. I love the small community, you learned people through there account names. But its hard to even remember new people because of the Graal737373 account system.

Switch · #21 08-29-2009, 11:50 PM

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I just wish there was a way to draw attention to newer players. The playercount on any server is dramatically low now. I love the small community, you learned people through there account names. But its hard to even remember new people because of the Graal737373 account system.

That's perhaps one of the only things that separates new players from old.

Oh by the way hey baby

WaDaFack · #22 08-30-2009, 02:49 AM

Most players started Graal when it was cheap or free, not to mention the fact that it was considered a "good" game back in those days, now graphics etc. of other games are beyond Graals, all that is going to happen for now is that we are going to lose players but not gain any.
Like everyone else suggested, we need to have reasonable prices that fit our low-quality gameplay, not prices that are the same as other games when they offer much more.
Maybe playing should be free again but creating a server should remain the same price.

If Stefan wants to save money I'd suggest to him to close some useless classic servers so it wont cost so much after the free2play change.

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papajchris · #23 08-30-2009, 06:02 AM

The reason graal is dying imo is not whether how active stefan is, or how many devs we have, it's because of consoles. I mean i don't know about you guys, but when i got an xbox 360 i rarely went on graal. Same with my brother, and 2 of my friends who played graal. Everyone i know irl that played graal now has a xbox or ps3 and quit graal. Not to mention xbox 360 offers people to make THEIR OWN community games at a similar price to Graal's costs. Not to mention on xbox, the community devs can actually make money off their games. In addition, making graal cost the same as xbox live is a turn off for many.

Pelikano · #24 08-30-2009, 05:25 PM

am I really the only one that likes Graal how it is and thinks that the servers just fail, because of corruption of their staff?

oh and btw. I am "studying" IT in Switzerland and I can tell you Graal is not getting anywhere script-wise

Hiro · #25 08-30-2009, 06:15 PM

i like how when we say that stefan or unixmad need to be more involved, some people are quick to say that they either can't, shouldn't, or won't help us out. then when we make a good point about something on graal, be it about content or updates or how graal is run in general, the response becomes "well, talk to stefan or unixmad about it"

stupid logic much?

Hiro · #26 08-30-2009, 06:50 PM

what are you even trying to prove? all your posts are just down plays on what other people say, yet you offer no explanation or even acknowledge that graal has problems that need to be fixed

because honestly, you aren't getting anywhere with the aptitude you've currently adopted

LoneAngelIbesu · #27 08-30-2009, 07:21 PM

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what are you even trying to prove? all your posts are just down plays on what other people say, yet you offer no explanation or even acknowledge that graal has problems that need to be fixed

because honestly, you aren't getting anywhere with the aptitude you've currently adopted

I'm trying to tell you that you should complain to server staff about content updates, not Stefan. But obviously you don't have the aptitude to understand that, or your attitude is just preventing you from doing something that your opposition suggests you do.

Hiro · #28 08-30-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I'm trying to tell you that you should complain to server staff about content updates, not Stefan. But obviously you don't have the aptitude to understand that, or your attitude is just preventing you from doing something that your opposition suggests you do.

you realize that that isn't a solution at all, right? all you're trying to do, then, is shift the blame from one aspect of the game to another, when it is in fact a problem for both

xXziroXx · #29 08-30-2009, 07:46 PM

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you realize that that isn't a solution at all, right? all you're trying to do, then, is shift the blame from one aspect of the game to another, when it is in fact a problem for both

It's not really a problem for Stefan, since he's happy with having Graal where it is now.

On the other hand, it's in the best interest of every server manager to ensure that there's players on their server, and the best way of obtaining players is by continuously creating and releasing content, as well as advertising their server outside of Graal. How many server managers have ever done that? It's not even that expensive.

And do you know what the stupidiest **** on Graal is? The internal competition. Servers should support each other instead of working against each other. They have nothing to fear from each other, but they have everything to fear from losing players from the game as a whole.

Hiro · #30 08-30-2009, 07:51 PM

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