What do you think of the current Classic worlds?

[Rufus]

I was just wondering what people thought about the current servers that we have on the Classic tab, are some of them a waste of resources? Should they all undergo PWA inspections to see if they fit the category still? What would you change about them?

We currently have, in alphabetical order:
Atlantis
Classic
Delteria
Era
Maloria
N-Pulse
Unholy Nation
Valikorlia
Zodiac

Constructive comments only please.

[Darlene159]

I don't really play much anymore, but they should all have regular inspections by the pwa, and if they don't fit the requirements to be left on classic, then they should be removed.
I also think that punishments for breaking the rules should be dealt with stricter.

[xXziroXx]

Maloria is dead, but thats because all the staff are working on v3 since v2 is ancient and god - it still use gs1.

[Andy0687]

Before we can talk inspections, we need to talk fully established pwa team that can handle that kind of job and do that kind of work with proper leadership and help.

Before we can talk about that we have to be able to discuss flaws in that staff team, besides you said "Constructive only".

You are jumping the gun a little imo, besides, taking servers off the classic list does nothing for the game at all besides make it look even more barren and desolate then it already does, and giving the players a very limited choice of places to go.

Work from bottom -> up

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

You are jumping the gun a little imo, besides, taking servers off the classic list does nothing for the game at all besides make it look even more barren and desolate then it already does, and giving the players a very limited choice of places to go.

Work from bottom -> up

In my opinion, the content of the current servers needs to be tweaked before any form of advertising is made, which seems to be what everyone believes Graal needs.

The Classic list currently..



To me, having servers with 0 players online makes the place more empty, rather then say..

[Lord Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I don't really play much anymore, but they should all have regular inspections by the pwa, and if they don't fit the requirements to be left on classic, then they should be removed.
I also think that punishments for breaking the rules should be dealt with stricter.

As James said the problem with that is having a fully established, well running PWA Team which graal currently lacks.

Also, If that were the case we'd be removing current servers and we'd have like 2 or 3 on the classic list (That may not be a problem for some people), because the current expectations of UC servers are way too high, we'd never see a new server.

We're lucky we got Zodiac with their laggy scripts.

[Yen]

Originally Posted by Lord Sephiroth

As James said the problem with that is having a fully established, well running PWA Team which graal currently lacks.

Also, If that were the case we'd be removing current servers and we'd have like 2 or 3 on the classic list (That may not be a problem for some people), because the current expectations of UC servers are way too high, we'd never see a new server.

We're lucky we got Zodiac with their laggy scripts.

You have to understand that Graal's servers host up to 30 playerworlds on the same machine.
Zodiac requires a lot of server <-> client communication, to keep things such as HP, MP, ect. updated.
Also, we use a lot of spell effects and the such. It's not mean't for old computers; if you experience slow down while playing, your computer is too old. In my experience, most of Graal has out of date/crappy computers.

[smirt362]

Atlantis - Everything is in GERMAN...I dont play there but they have a lovely overworld.

Classic - Havent really payed there that much...its a classic graal server, not much more to say.

Delteria - Was fun for awhile when I first started. Classes are kind of unbalanced. Gets kinda old just PK'ing alot and having a limited ammount of quests.

Era - Shooting guns is fun for awhile.. Picking flowers endlessy when you first start out is all right. Fun to explore though.

Maloria - Kinda died (contrary to GAMBET's opinion, it was not because he left), I work there so I cant really give an unbiased opinion. But I think everyone had fun for awhile, the endless grinding with not much else to do but PK, join a nation, explore, and do a few quests probably pushed everyone away. Not to mention the corruption and the duping glitches that everyone under the sun abused and drove our economy into RUIN. Look out for v3! It shall be awesome (for our sakes I hope it is).

N-Pulse - Havent really had much time on this server. It's all right.

Unholy Nation - Got just about everything in a couple of days...didnt really want to PK the entire time I was there after I went through all the quests so...I moved on. Some really screwed up people on this server.

Valikorlia - I love the mini overworld and some of the graphics are nice. But besides RP'ing there reallly isnt anything to do.

Zodiac - Not quite endless grinding...but leveling, protecting a fort, capturing a town, and killing other people is basically all you can do. Graphics suck something awful and some of the particle effects could look a WHOLE lot better.

[Mandangop2p]

just get to the point yen your trying to ask what they think of zodiac

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Mandangop2p

just get to the point yen your trying to ask what they think of zodiac

No he wasnt?

[MysticX2X]

I think some servers shud have a certain player min avg. to be on classic

[Mykel]

Atlantis: It's German. I know very little about it, but it should be kept for that reason alone.

Classic: It has a consistant and loyal playerbase. I haven't played the server much, but I know that people who do care about it a lot and are very dedicated.

Delteria: It should be removed. People don't play it, and Delteria is currently under heavy construction with their new server. I see no reason for it to be on the classic list.

Era: To-date still the most successful modern server, although it has dropped in playerbase a bit with the addition of Zodiac. Nice alternative for the players to turn to, if they like that kind of thing.

Maloria: Talk about dying quick. I don't really know what to say. It wont compete unless it makes it's roleplaying better than Val or level-up system better than Zodiac's. Good luck.

N-Pulse: The typical "classic" server. It still gets a consistant playerbase and seems to be live and active.

Unholy Nation: The huge community only helps make itself larger. A nice events system and active guilds help keep this server bangin'.

Valikorlia: Role playing. That about sums it up.

Zodiac: It utilizes the player's desire to become powerful better than any other classic playerworld, and that is why it is so successful.

[Lord Sephiroth]

Grades are rated on importance/keepability:
1-Should be removed
5-Needs to be kept

Atlantis: I see very little people on it at any time, and i'm a Night Owl. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw -anyone- on it. - 2

Classic: The playerbase is loyal, as Mykel said, but the playerbase is too small and the level quality, although classic and old school, isn't adaptive to todays average Graal Player. - 3

Delteria: Needs to be taken off the Classic list untill new Updates are completed. Maybe given the same options that Babylon has? Either way, it shouldn't be on the classic list in the state that it's in. - 1

Era: Still Active, still going strong, so to speak. Appeals to the player that feels like escaping real life into...uh...a real life simulator--with more guns. - 5

Maloria: Maloria has been knocked off it's high-horse by Zodiac hard. From this standpoint Maloria really needs to make some Staff-Changes and get things moving if they ever want to take back their server terrotory from Zodiac, but by the amounts of Updates Yen seems to spend his life doing, that doesn't look like it's going to happen. - 1

N-Pulse: N-Pulse needs a lot of work, as well as Management and Administration Changes. The N-Pulse community has a terrible staff team that never seems to get things done. They've been working on these new OW updates for how long now? People are tired of waiting, and at this point they'd be lucky if they get anyone to even notice Overworld changes when they do it.
Events are poor quality, everything is generally poor quality. - 3

Unholy Nation: Active Guilds Community, Active Playerbase, still the top server of the age, even if no-one really knows why. Very attractive to the newer players, a vital part (as sad as it is) of the current Graal Generation. 5

Valikorlia: Although Clash sucks something fierce, (I'm not sure if he even works there anymore, I just hate clash because he's a terrible Manager of anything), the newer Val, although not measuring up to the old school Val that we all knew and loved, still maintains a high 60+ Player count per day, and appeals largely to the Role-Play playerbase, even if the levels suck ass and the Role-Play system could be made better and glitches fixed. - 4

Zodiac: Yen successfully kills his social life by spending all his time updating Zodiac, there's no telling how long that's going to last, a lot of things could be improved, and I mean a lot of things.
A LOT of things, but Zodiac is appealing to Malorias crowd as well as newer players, as much as I hate to say it, vital to the community as of right now. 5

[bgumeny]

We don't necessarily need a large amount of servers as much as a few servers with high playercounts and good quality. Many online games have only a few servers but very high playercounts, and this provides for much more player interaction (which is what makes Graal what it is). All of the most successful servers (such as UN, Era, and Zodiac) have extremely high playercounts, which make things like guilds, nations, PKing, party systems, and businesses fun.

When you go to a server with a much smaller playercount such as NPulse or Maloria, it is a much more tightknit group of players who all know each other and it can be somewhat intimidating for a new player.

While it is a tricky subject because it is only fair to give every player a shot at running their own online world, I think the server list and Graal in general could do with a little shake-up.

Gold and Classic playerworlds should only be those few servers which are fully up and running with plenty of content and an active staff team, and should all be closely watched and overseen by the Graal staff themselves. Because Gold and Classic playerworlds are the ones seen and played on by the majority of players, especially new ones, it only makes sense to make sure they are of the highest quality.

The Hosted tab should be used almost like the classic tab is now, for the newer playerworlds run entirely by players that have a decent amount of content but are not quite finished yet. These playerworlds can still be seen on the main list, which makes them easily accessed, but are generally not a part of the first impression a new Graal players gets.

The website should also provide more information to players about Hosted playerworlds and playerworlds that are Under Construction so that they know what is out there and what they can try. As of right now the only way I know of for a player to find out about an Under Construction server is to hear about it on the forums or to see it on the RC list (which many new players won't have a clue how to do) and type it into the box.

In conclusion, and for those who didn't feel like reading everything, I think a server-list with a few high-quality Gold and Classic servers with large playercounts, and then a Hosted tab for those servers who are completely re-doing everything (like Delteria, Maloria, and N-Pulse) would look much more attractive to new players and would help deal with the "empty" feeling that the serverlist has now. Seeing a few servers with playercounts of 100+ looks better than seven or eight with 60 or 70, or as little as 10 or even 0.

[Infernix]

Maloria has only fallen because of Zodiac..and Zodiac is just somthing new for the people who played Maloria. Im sure the next server that has the level up theme will take Zodiacs place.

Delteria is just there no clue why its on the list

Classic....dont know to much about it

Val...should be taken down

Pulse.... dieing cause theyve been working on some sort "good"(lol) update for who knows how long

UN...Same crap as usual...seems like a good place to spar these days though

Era.....Living Large still..kinda

Atlantis.....ahh I speak German so I dont rlly know..but I never see anyone there anymore no matter what time.

graal Classic servers in general are pretty lame if you ask me.

[smirt362]

Maloria is currently in a heavy development phase...we are making a completely new version. Hopefully we will be done in a couple of months. So basically nothing is going to be done with the current world.

[MysticalDragon]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I was just wondering what people thought about the current servers that we have on the Classic tab, are some of them a waste of resources? Should they all undergo PWA inspections to see if they fit the category still? What would you change about them?

We currently have, in alphabetical order:
Atlantis
Classic
Delteria
Era
Maloria
N-Pulse
Unholy Nation
Valikorlia
Zodiac

Constructive comments only please.

I would have to agree about Delteria, but from experience since I play graal ALL around the clock entering into different time zones it seems to me that Atlantis gets played around 3 to 4am eastern.
And thats the only server thats in another language, regardless of there player count I think they should remain classic.
Maybe a New Manager would help it?
Note:Also IN MONTHS I havn't seen this server active in the ams.

[WanDaMan]

I lose interest in Graal within 30 minutes of playing.

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

I would have to agree about Delteria, but from experience since I play graal ALL around the clock entering into different time zones it seems to me that Atlantis gets played around 3 to 4am eastern.
And thats the only server thats in another language, regardless of there player count I think they should remain classic.
Maybe a New Manager would help it?
Note:Also IN MONTHS I havn't seen this server active in the ams.

It's being re-developed I believe.

[Luda]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

I lose interest in Graal within 30 minutes of playing.

Me too I used to be able to play it for hours but now I'm just bored of it

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Luda

Me too I used to be able to play it for hours but now I'm just bored of it

I was online for only a couple hours at most last week. I remember years ago and being addicted to this game. I guess I am starting to build an immunity to whatever Stefan puts in my water.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I don't really play much anymore, but they should all have regular inspections by the pwa, and if they don't fit the requirements to be left on classic, then they should be removed.
I also think that punishments for breaking the rules should be dealt with stricter.

That really wasn't very helpful at all. That's sort of common sense.

Originally Posted by Rufus

I was just wondering what people thought about the current servers that we have on the Classic tab, are some of them a waste of resources? Should they all undergo PWA inspections to see if they fit the category still? What would you change about them?

We currently have, in alphabetical order:
Atlantis
Classic
Delteria
Era
Maloria
N-Pulse
Unholy Nation
Valikorlia
Zodiac

Constructive comments only please.

Atlantis: Only here because it's done in another language, really. It looks really great to me, but once again, there's no option to translate, so that keeps a lot of players disinterested.
Classic: Here because it's Classic, obviously.
Delteria: I haven't seen much activity from this server at all. About as great as Npulse, which is really not at all.
Era: Excellent server, and it needs to stay.
Maloria: Has a lot of potential, but would never make it to Gold for the dumbest reasons on Earth.
N-Pulse:I wouldn't be sad if it were gone.
Unholy Nation: Still has a massive playercount, and I've no clue of why.
Valikorlia: Clash needs to stop hiring random players who've not even touched Graaleditor, much less RC.
Zodiac: Really nice system, could use a bit of tweaking and a graphic overhaul, but nice.

I'd also mention that the following servers should probably be looked at, as they have a lot of potential:

Zenkou
Sands of Glory
Stone Henge
Relic
Icarus

And sorry to any great ones I've left out.

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Draenin

That really wasn't very helpful at all. That's sort of common sense.


Atlantis: Only here because it's done in another language, really. It looks really great to me, but once again, there's no option to translate, so that keeps a lot of players disinterested.
Classic: Here because it's Classic, obviously.
Delteria: I haven't seen much activity from this server at all. About as great as Npulse, which is really not at all.
Era: Excellent server, and it needs to stay.
Maloria: Has a lot of potential, but would never make it to Gold for the dumbest reasons on Earth.
N-Pulse:I wouldn't be sad if it were gone.
Unholy Nation: Still has a massive playercount, and I've no clue of why.
Valikorlia: Clash needs to stop hiring random players who've not even touched Graaleditor, much less RC.
Zodiac: Really nice system, could use a bit of tweaking and a graphic overhaul, but nice.

I'd also mention that the following servers should probably be looked at, as they have a lot of potential:

Zenkou
Sands of Glory
Stone Henge
Relic
Icarus

And sorry to any great ones I've left out.

Icarus is sorta gone, although Lance and I may be cooking a little something up which would build on its ideas. (No this isnt Atrius V 2103920.3 or W.E.)

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Draenin

That really wasn't very helpful at all. That's sort of common sense.

To some maybe, but it isn't being done, and is what should be done.
*shrugs* I answered the question regarding the thread title.

[Devil]

I think it's time to get rid of a few classic servers.

[Magadal]

My input -> still keep Atlantis, they will get a new system and a new overworld soon. Maybe the playercount will change then, maybe not. Maybe it also should be taken down from classic for 3-4 months so players forget about it and then think something like "Oh a new server!" and want to play it xD Dunno heh.

[soulwazza]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I don't really play much anymore, but they should all have regular inspections by the pwa, and if they don't fit the requirements to be left on classic, then they should be removed.
I also think that punishments for breaking the rules should be dealt with stricter

I remember UN uploading Angel Clan and they were not punished.

[Sum41Freeeeek]

But, if you take servers off the classic don't the owners have to start paying
for the server? What if the staff don't have gold/vip? People will stop developing
if they have to start paying for the server and gold/vip to work there...
(this is all based on my knowledge) not too sure how it works

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Sum41Freeeeek

But, if you take servers off the classic don't the owners have to start paying
for the server? What if the staff don't have gold/vip? People will stop developing
if they have to start paying for the server and gold/vip to work there...
(this is all based on my knowledge) not too sure how it works

Well 2k1 was off the server list and so was Bab and they are former classic servers and classic accounts can still log on and play there so the same would go for dev I would think.

[Devil]

Originally Posted by Sum41Freeeeek

But, if you take servers off the classic don't the owners have to start paying
for the server? What if the staff don't have gold/vip? People will stop developing
if they have to start paying for the server and gold/vip to work there...
(this is all based on my knowledge) not too sure how it works

Bah if you take them off classic, they should be permanently taken off, not moved over to hosted.

[The Evil Within]

Originally Posted by Devil

Bah if you take them off classic, they should be permanently taken off, not moved over to hosted.

Why is this? The new overworld being worked on Delteria far exceeds the level quality of ANY other server on Graal I have ever seen, and the plans for all of the systems are incredibly amazing. I happen to agree that it should be taken off the classic tab due to the fact that it averages a playerbase of 2, and maybe once a month will hit 20 players when the people from the Delteria forums decide they all want to log on and PK eachother, but to completely take it down and stop any development being made is probably the dumbest suggestion I've heard. Just because the current overworld is lacking in content does not mean that the staff who are working on the server should in turn have all of their work deleted. You have to be the most ignorant person I've seen post in this thread.


Btw, Crono, are you gonna come back to Delt, or should we have somebody else head the Al Jadim project?

[PrinceDark]

Zodiac is the only reason I even play Graal now. I'll most likely dissappear again once I get tired of it.

[Devil]

That's why I came back.. for Zodiac. But then got bored of it fast.

[Crono]

Atlantis-

Useless. I am being literal. I don't care if it's German, it's USELESS. It does not have a playerbase at all and has nothing to show. Why is it still up? Who knows.

Classic-

I had fun on it during the summer but it's too boring for me.

Delteria-

They're making a new Delteria, which is why I think it should be removed from the list and then re-added when the new one is ready.

Era-

It's ok.

Maloria-

I never liked this RPG Maloria. It became popular the moment Val's own RPG system was changed in favor of a more text based system and worldmap.

N-Pulse-

Old server, boring.

Unholy Nation-

Low quality, sacks of potatoes run the server, only thing to do is spar.

Valikorlia-

Been personally waiting for New Val since late 2004. Val was amazingly fun from 2002-early 2004. Went downhill after Jesse was removed from Manager, and I don't care what the reason is.

Zodiac-

Garbage. The only thing keeping it going is it's gameplay, and even Yen admitted that it's ripped from multiple games.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Zodiac-

Garbage. The only thing keeping it going is it's gameplay, and even Yen admitted that it's ripped from multiple games.

Zodiac is one of the most graphically ugly servers I've seen in a long time.
When I first logged on I was like "Wtf? Who in their right mind would create a tileset that's uglier than the default one?!!?!?".
And then I noticed crap like "feign death" which is obviously jacked from another game, and I've not logged back on since.
Zodiac doesn't really bring anything new or original to Graal at all.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Zodiac doesn't really bring anything new or original to Graal at all.

Obviously today's Graal community prefers addictive ripped off gameplay to quality. I mean Zodiac does not have proper cliffing and still passed? It's pretty hard to make your tileset uglier than pics1.png, but Zodiac somehow managed to do it.

Oh well, we're not bashing a playerworld...simply pointing out it's flaws right?

[Yen]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Zodiac is one of the most graphically ugly servers I've seen in a long time.
When I first logged on I was like "Wtf? Who in their right mind would create a tileset that's uglier than the default one?!!?!?".
And then I noticed crap like "feign death" which is obviously jacked from another game, and I've not logged back on since.
Zodiac doesn't really bring anything new or original to Graal at all.

Yeah. You totally called me.
Fireball? I stole it.
Enrage? Definately stolen.
Mug? I admit to stealing it from the Webster dictionary.

I'm definately guilty of being literate enough to think up synonyms for things that sound lame, like 'Fake Death.'

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Zodiac doesn't really bring anything new or original to Graal at all.

The swimming system I recently implemented is 100% unique and brand spanking new to Graal.


Yes, I agree, the graphics are fugly, but we don't exactly have a graphics team. Besides the graphics, the gameplay is rather nice. I'm sure Zodiac would attract more players with better graphics, but we lack the resources ATM.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Gambet

The swimming system I recently implemented is 100% unique and brand spanking new to Graal.


Yes, I agree, the graphics are fugly, but we don't exactly have a graphics team. Besides the graphics, the gameplay is rather nice. I'm sure Zodiac would attract more players with better graphics, but we lack the resources ATM.

In my eyes, graphics is 70%+ of a good gameplay.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

In my eyes, graphics is 70%+ of a good gameplay.

We don't have any other options than to do with what we have. I do believe Zodiac is currently looking for graphic artists, but we have yet to find any skilled artists interested.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Gambet

he gameplay is rather nice

It's not that hard to rip off different games.

Btw, Crono, are you gonna come back to Delt, or should we have somebody else head the Al Jadim project?

Have someone else do it. Babylon got rid of someone who I wanted gone for a while and so I'm back there. Babylon has priority over just about everything.