true question

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

It isn't me ignoring the members, it is the members ignoring me, you, Unixmad, and the rules.

Now you are just trying to add fuel to the fire and if no one else will say it I will, this isnt helping any, you are just trying to make things seem worse then they are and make us look bad.

There is a whole lot of positive discussion on the topic, but instead of listening to it we often run into these things.

"Learn to discuss first" Okay we did, so we try
"No use the support center instead" okay fair enough
"Sorry we wont do/change or even consider fixing anything" okay well ill try posting something and seeing who agrees.
"Sorry use the support center" uh, well okay.
"Sorry we arent going to do anything, or we are going to close your ticket without good reason" okay...
"No dont post in public forum, use the support center or PM" ...

I wonder if anyone else can see what im getting at here.

Also a lot of people with a very positive outlook on this are often just blantantly ignored because you like grouping all the users togather.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Yes, harassment would not be allowed.
But closing threads on account of 'moderator digression' or because of homosexuality? Or mods changing the rules at will?
Mods have too much power, and clearly, people are unhappy

You're arguement is pointless. The stuff you posted had a right to be deleted.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stephen

You have to remember this is moderated by humans, is all. You think if you moderated a place you wouldn't run into any complications?

Why do you have to hide your statements like that anyway? I know what you're saying now but you could have been more clear about it. So what if humans are naturally biased, does that make it right for Stefan to be able to get away with it?

If I evaded the swear filter for a proper cause, do you think Sam would cut me some slack? Hell no he hates me, i'd be banned on the spot man! Anyways, enough of this...it's my first post in this thread that is supposed to shine. xD

[Door]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Yes, people will always insult one another - and I think they recognize this. They're not saying "Don't insult other people" so much as they're saying "Don't insult other users aggressively, and for the love of God don't bring sexuality, race, or religion into it -_-".

If they are saying that, then why is the former being enforced?

Originally Posted by Stephen

poop-face

u r 1

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Gerami

How does this relate to the double standard present at all? i luv u zero <3 kekeke im not homosexual though watch out O_O olol wut if no 1 ces dis

It's not double standard, it is the art of discussion. To explain a forum rule related to words which are not allowed on the forum, I must display the words so that people can understand it. Your way of making fun of it is just out of place and shows your ignorance, although I guess for you it's more about fun than about being disrespectful, the result is the same though.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Why do you have to hide your statements like that anyway?

Whatcha mean?

Originally Posted by Gerami

If I evaded the swear filter for a proper cause, do you think Sam would cut me some slack? Hell no he hates me, i'd be banned on the spot man!

Yea, but as I said before - you've got a history of being a smart-ass. Besides, Sam isn't exactly the most friendly care-bear.

Originally Posted by Door

u r 1

nour

Originally Posted by Stefan

although I guess for you it's more about fun than about being disrespectful, the result is the same though.

That's a pretty excellent point.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Gerami

If I evaded the swear filter for a proper cause, do you think Sam would cut me some slack? Hell no he hates me, i'd be banned on the spot man! Anyways, enough of this...it's my first post in this thread that is supposed to shine. xD

Your former actions on the forums give people a reason not to cut you slack. Sorry, but it is true Crono.

[konidias]

Again, you guys have two choices:

1. live with the rules
2. leave

If enough people left, then maybe they would change the way things are run here. Maybe they wouldn't. Even still, you're not going to get to stay here PLUS have the rules changed the way you want them. Just accept that already. This has been run into the ground.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stefan

It's not double standard, it is the art of discussion. To explain a forum rule related to words which are not allowed on the forum, I must display the words so that people can understand it. Your way of making fun of it is just out of place and shows your ignorance, although I guess for you it's more about fun than about being disrespectful, the result is the same though.

The point is that if i did what you did, with the same positive intent, would I get away with it? No. I wouldn't. That's all I'm saying, this is nothing to do with ignorance or respect, but rather just a simple point I felt I needed to share.

Originally Posted by Chris

Your former actions on the forums give people a reason not to cut you slack. Sorry, but it is true Crono.

What have I done? Really, It's not like I joined some Anti-Graal group and want to see Graal dead. Tell me what I've done, im serious.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gerami

The point is that if i did what you did, with the same positive intent, would I get away with it? No. I wouldn't. That's all I'm saying, this is nothing to do with ignorance or respect, but rather just a simple point I felt I needed to share.

As an administrator, Stefan was discussing a rule having to do with certain words, and as an Administrator, he showed those words so the point would be clear.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

As an administrator, Stefan was discussing a rule having to do with certain words, and as an Administrator, he showed those words so the point would be clear.

So just flat out tell me, if I did the exact same thing Stefan just did with the same outright positive intentions, would I have been punished for it? Yes and no please.

[zell12]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Now you are just trying to add fuel to the fire and if no one else will say it I will, this isnt helping any, you are just trying to make things seem worse then they are and make us look bad.

There is a whole lot of positive discussion on the topic, but instead of listening to it we often run into these things.

"Learn to discuss first" Okay we did, so we try
"No use the support center instead" okay fair enough
"Sorry we wont do/change or even consider fixing anything" okay well ill try posting something and seeing who agrees.
"Sorry use the support center" uh, well okay.
"Sorry we arent going to do anything, or we are going to close your ticket without good reason" okay...
"No dont post in public forum, use the support center or PM" ...

I wonder if anyone else can see what im getting at here.

Also a lot of people with a very positive outlook on this are often just blantantly ignored because you like grouping all the users togather.

I agree :P

[zell12]

Originally Posted by konidias

Again, you guys have two choices:

1. live with the rules
2. leave

If enough people left, then maybe they would change the way things are run here. Maybe they wouldn't. Even still, you're not going to get to stay here PLUS have the rules changed the way you want them. Just accept that already. This has been run into the ground.

Option 3: Organize everyone to submit tickets and send emails to Unixmad and Stefan, since we cannot discuss it here. Stop being ignorant of the issue.

[James205]

My example of double standard from my experience.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...2&page=8&pp=15

Notice the post made by Sam was deleted with the reason "not needful" as it was deleted by Sam himself.

Now refer to

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...&postcount=122

Which is my post which has completely been deleted and I was banned. One being an insult towards me and the other with me responding to his insult. Why was I the only one punished when I didn't even instigate the insulting?

I even submitted tickets.

That's all I have to say.

[Skrobo2]

Thread deleted by Darlene159
Reason: We already have one illegal thread going on that Stefan is trying to talk to you people in, we dont need another

Why do you alienate yourself from the rest of us Moonie? You yourself are a Graal player the same as I am. The only difference is you have power on these forums that I don't. You take that power too seriously, though and make this place very uptight and uncomfortable. Thank you, for completely defeating the purpose of a forum, by stomping out free discussion. In my thread I said, "In all likelihood this thread will be deleted or closed, and it will only go to further the point of the communities members.", or something along that line. Why so predictable?