4 Years of being stagnant

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

How is it stupid? Classic is in dire need of a capable HD. If that means it's gonna break stuff then that stuff needs to be fixed. I'd rather have a better HD and have things fixed up than just leave what's there now just because it might break a few things.

Classic is in dire need of new content, not more HD's.
If we keep spending dev time to switch everything to default for a couple years, we would then have a default HD and nothing else(it isnt going to break a few things, its going to break MOST things).
Meanwhile, UN and other servers have default HD and a ton of other things to do. Who wants to keep playing classic in its current state with whatever HD is has?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Classic is in dire need of new content, not more HD's.
If we keep spending dev time to switch everything to default for a couple years, we would then have a default HD and nothing else(it isnt going to break a few things, its going to break MOST things).
Meanwhile, UN and other servers have default HD and a ton of other things to do. Who wants to keep playing classic in its current state with whatever HD is has?

Important things need to be fixed first. Why build even more content on a broken HD? Then there's going to be even more to fix in the long-run when HD is finally revisited(which it needs to be).

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Important things need to be fixed first. Why build even more content on a broken HD? Then there's going to be even more to fix in the long-run when HD is finally revisited(which it needs to be).

Just because it isnt default doesnt make it broken, it makes it different. The HD isn't as important as the complete lack of things to do. Hell, even a lot of the things slated for release are completely unrelated to HD in the first place.

Get your priorities straight, and get a grasp on reality. If we have to spend anymore significant time rebuilding whats already there, you might as well delete Classic, because its never going to get back up.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Just because it isnt default doesnt make it broken, it makes it different. The HD isn't as important as the complete lack of things to do. Hell, even a lot of the things slated for release are completely unrelated to HD in the first place.

Get your priorities straight, and get a grasp on reality. If we have to spend anymore significant time rebuilding whats already there, you might as well delete Classic, because its never going to get back up.

Apparently, with all the complaints, the HD is very important. When everyone finishes all they have to do content-wise(which doesn't take long, no matter how much they add), they do what? Spar/PK. How can they do that with a broken HD?

I agree, you shouldn't have to spend any more time on it... but now you do. That's not my fault though. 4 years and barely any content and system after system being 'fixed' until now everyone hates it. All Classic has done is dug itself a hole and yes, it has to be pulled out before adding anything else or else the hole is just going to get deeper.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Apparently, with all the complaints, the HD is very important. When everyone finishes all they have to do content-wise(which doesn't take long, no matter how much they add), they do what? Spar/PK. How can they do that with a broken HD?

I agree, you shouldn't have to spend any more time on it... but now you do. That's not my fault though. 4 years and barely any content and system after system being 'fixed' until now everyone hates it. All Classic has done is dug itself a hole and yes, it has to be pulled out before adding anything else or else the hole is just going to get deeper.

The people complain about the HD no matter what HD you put in, they put a default emulation online and everyone complained. We have spar rooms and PK rooms that use the DEFAULT HD, noone uses them. If you put in default HD, noone is going to come back, they will stay on UN. Until everyone magically has the same ping to the server, someone will complain about any HD being used.

Classic dug its hole not making content besides GC events, not by having a certain HD. People don't stay away from classic because of the HD, they stay away because THERE IS NOTHING TO DO. Try playing classic instead of sitting on the sidelines guessing, because you don't have a clue.

[BlackSolider]

The HD is never going to be agreeable to every single person since someone is always going to be at a disadvantage.

Both the HD and content are very important. But you can't put off one to work on the other. We might have to make an HD thats compatible with the current levels but is better than either of the two we have right now. I'm not sure what that is or how it would work, but all I know is both hds have their flaws and its causing a huge commotion right now.

DC's right though. No matter what the HD is, Classic desperately needs content. GCs can help the server greatly, but with the playercount in the 20s-30s events cannot always be continuously hosted, thus creating gaps in between events. Classic needs solid content to fill the void. What that is, I don't know.

We need an HD that most of the people can work with, AND we need content to will in the gaps between events. But we can't forge along with two HDs, nor can we rebuild everything for default and not make anything new.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

I dont see how that toall log relates to what I said.
If people keep up the attitude that the dev team does NOTHING worth any praise, they won't develop at all. If you don't develop at all, what does that turn into? Definitely not stagnation, oh no not that.

What if people genuinely don't think that the development team does nothing worth praise? Developers are there to develop, if you're not going to develop then you shouldn't be in the position, not boycotting working under the condition that players praise content that they don't feel is worth praising.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Classic dug its hole not making content besides GC events, not by having a certain HD. People don't stay away from classic because of the HD, they stay away because THERE IS NOTHING TO DO. Try playing classic instead of sitting on the sidelines guessing, because you don't have a clue.

Even the people who play the server on a regular basis complain in a similar fashion, what do you suggest they do?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

The HD is never going to be agreeable to every single person since someone is always going to be at a disadvantage.

Both the HD and content are very important. But you can't put off one to work on the other. We might have to make an HD thats compatible with the current levels but is better than either of the two we have right now. I'm not sure what that is or how it would work, but all I know is both hds have their flaws and its causing a huge commotion right now.

DC's right though. No matter what the HD is, Classic desperately needs content. GCs can help the server greatly, but with the playercount in the 20s-30s events cannot always be continuously hosted, thus creating gaps in between events. Classic needs solid content to fill the void. What that is, I don't know.

We need an HD that most of the people can work with, AND we need content to will in the gaps between events. But we can't forge along with two HDs, nor can we rebuild everything for default and not make anything new.

The problem is though, if you add content now, it will be accustomed to the HD that will eventually need to be revisited. Then there is going to be the same problem that is right now, except even more that will need to be fixed when the HD is finally changed.

[BlackSolider]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

We might have to make an HD thats compatible with the current levels but is better than either of the two we have right now.

I don't know if we can make an HD that is compatible with all levels. Apparently clientside was, but perhaps a different HD wouldn't be able to. IF we can make one that works with all levels AND it sits well with the majority, it'd be the best option.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Developers are there to develop, if you're not going to develop then you shouldn't be in the position, not boycotting working under the condition that players praise content that they don't feel is worth praising.

I think he means it effects them psychologically. It isn't simply a matter of choice, it's something that hits you subconsciously. If players constantly attack you, and criticize everything you make, big or small, you'll begin to lack the enthusiasm and desire you may of had when you begun, and then you'll stop developing altogether. He is suggesting that we use positive reinforcement when dealing with the content presented to us. You can criticize, but do it in a helpful way that won't discourage the developer (and this is not to say that you have to hold their hand and make sure they don't throw a fit; just saying there are other ways of saying 'I hate it' other than 'it sucks').

[WhiteDragon]

The chat system wasn't meant to "revive the server" or take it out of stagnation. It was just a small update that will hopefully make playing the server easier. It took me collectively under 2 hours to make so don't feel like your being robbed of something amazing in it's place.


And I think the point trying to be put across in these last few posts is this:
If a player doesn't like the content released, they can either provide constructive criticism or bash the content, and there is a difference. Bashing the content doesn't do the server any good -- it only slows down development by discouraging staff.

If you think the quality of everything being released is too low, then I would suggest taking it up with high officials on the server and ask them to reevaluate the department.
Otherwise, if you just think there are a few problems, help fix them by pointing them out.


And in response to the whole HD argument, we are aware that it's a problem and we're trying to take the most beneficial route to fixing it. We are also aware that fixing it won't be the holy grail of the server and make everyone migrate, hence why we aren't dedicating the whole development team to it.
Rather than arguing about the HD I would suggest waiting for the newer one to be released which should feel more like the default, and possibly talking about other problems on the server.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

The chat system wasn't meant to "revive the server" or take it out of stagnation. It was just a small update that will hopefully make playing the server easier. It took me collectively under 2 hours to make so don't feel like your being robbed of something amazing in it's place.

ya....thx for it . but its kinda add lag when the box is filled with messages , at least to me

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

ya....thx for it . but its kinda add lag when the box is filled with messages , at least to me

Yes that can happen. Also does that with the F2 window for me(and to many other people, but they don't tend to understand why they lag so much).

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

HDs and their capabilities are beyond me. The people asked for clientside, they got clientside. If they don't like it, well then thats their problem.

One year as a kid I asked for a red power ranger toy for xmas. I got a blue one. Did I *****? Of course. I was young. Now adays, I try to be appreciative of what I get. My parents tried to get a red one but couldn't. I still got a damn power ranger toy. I should have been happy, even though the blue one wasn't as cool.

For comparison, the classicians asked for clientside HD. Thor got em one. Maybe it wasn't exactly what they were hoping for. But they still asked for it. Maybe they should be appreciative the Dev team actually listened to the people and attempted to please them. Obviously it didn't work out like everyone had hoped, but hey, he tried.

As long as thor did his best, I won't ***** about it. I dislike the HD and have stated so several times, but I'm not gonna spam hatred for something he put effort in to.

I lol'd at the stupidity in this comparison.

A more accurate comparison would be you asked for a red power ranger but you got a blue power ranger knockoff with sharp metal edges and lead paint.

[BlackSolider]

No, the comparison wasn't perfect. But the point should be obvious. You essentially got what you asked for. Shut up and be happy. You could have just as easily gotten no presents or something completely different like a barbie doll (in the case of graal, no additions or a strange HD you didn't ask for.) The dev team actually listened to the players and gave them something they asked for; don't ***** because it isn't perfect or everything you hoped it'd be.