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[Spikedude]

It's pretty tough to fix the economy without a reset at this point. With all the money that's out there, some of which is on accounts that haven't been online in so long; plus the number of cool items that were supposed to be rare (like the mp5 navy)... You'll never get it all back without a reset. And it's mostly been decided that a reset is out of the question. I'd love to find an answer to the current economy.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

It's pretty tough to fix the economy without a reset at this point. With all the money that's out there, some of which is on accounts that haven't been online in so long; plus the number of cool items that were supposed to be rare (like the mp5 navy)... You'll never get it all back without a reset. And it's mostly been decided that a reset is out of the question. I'd love to find an answer to the current economy.

You could start by removing money for points but you won't because then people have no reason to raid at all. That's how weak our gang system is right now having to rely on money to keep people motivated in raiding.

We could also start by removing a lot of guns from the gun stores. I already explained in a previous post or thread as to why.

Stop by giving people money per kill.

You guys give money out to easily with these we "small" things as people see them as but in-fact they're a huge reason as to why it's gotten so bad.

Auctions was a major sinkhole back in the day for getting rid of money. I rarely see them happen now. Maybe start hosting them but then again you cant because you've basically put every gun in-store so that effects that.

Remove unlimited ammo. It's seems like a cool idea but in reality it's not at all. $3,000 for unlimited ammo for a week, really?

Introduce a plan to start taxing accounts if they don't log in every few months. Let's say somebody doesn't log in for 3-months. Start taking little by little of their money. (Just an idea, you get the drift).

Introduce bank fees, every-time you use the ATM you get taxed.

It's a start.

[Spikedude]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

You could start by removing money for points but you won't because then people have no reason to raid at all. That's how weak our gang system is right now having to rely on money to keep people motivated in raiding.

We could also start by removing a lot of guns from the gun stores. I already explained in a previous post or thread as to why.

Stop by giving people money per kill.

You guys give money out to easily with these we "small" things as people see them as but in-fact they're a huge reason as to why it's gotten so bad.

Auctions was a major sinkhole back in the day for getting rid of money. I rarely see them happen now. Maybe start hosting them but then again you cant because you've basically put every gun in-store so that effects that.

Remove unlimited ammo. It's seems like a cool idea but in reality it's not at all. $3,000 for unlimited ammo for a week, really?

Introduce a plan to start taxing accounts if they don't log in every few months. Let's say somebody doesn't log in for 3-months. Start taking little by little of their money. (Just an idea, you get the drift).

Introduce bank fees, every-time you use the ATM you get taxed.

It's a start.

We already removed unlimited ammo ;] we made it stop stocking, so once they sell out of stores they're all gone.
EDIT: Clarification, we will probably still use it as a prize of some kind.

We can't make it harder to get money before taking money out of the economy; it would chase off all the new players. One of the most common complaints I already get is "how can guns cost 900k when it takes me so long to make any money?" When we have players with 20 mil, nobody will start playing making like $500 per hour.

Some sort of a tax would be a cool idea, but I don't know a fair way to implement it. The people who most need to be taxed (as you said) are the ones who are inactive; the ones with millions of dollars sitting in a bank account. But if we start taxing bank accounts, then everyone who has been playing will start pulling their money out before going inactive, but those who are already inactive wouldn't know about it and would get screwed.

Taxing bank transactions would be an idea for "active" money anyways.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

We already removed unlimited ammo ;] we made it stop stocking, so once they sell out of stores they're all gone.
EDIT: Clarification, we will probably still use it as a prize of some kind.

We can't make it harder to get money before taking money out of the economy; it would chase off all the new players. One of the most common complaints I already get is "how can guns cost 900k when it takes me so long to make any money?" When we have players with 20 mil, nobody will start playing making like $500 per hour.

Some sort of a tax would be a cool idea, but I don't know a fair way to implement it. The people who most need to be taxed (as you said) are the ones who are inactive; the ones with millions of dollars sitting in a bank account. But if we start taxing bank accounts, then everyone who has been playing will start pulling their money out before going inactive, but those who are already inactive wouldn't know about it and would get screwed.

Taxing bank transactions would be an idea for "active" money anyways.

Oh god, I know that TK has like 20,000 unlimited ammo boxes in his house lmao.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

We already removed unlimited ammo ;] we made it stop stocking, so once they sell out of stores they're all gone.
EDIT: Clarification, we will probably still use it as a prize of some kind.

When I read this, I thought exactly of this:

Originally Posted by Godzilla

Oh god, I know that TK has like 20,000 unlimited ammo boxes in his house lmao.

I know Shrimps has a bunch too, probably not as many since I always bum them off of him and he spends his extra money running a Potion Trafficking business.

Anyway, yeah that was really stupid and not well thought out at all; now instead of a set price the players with the remaining supply (which is freaking huge I'll tell you now... TK alone had dozens of piles of 100x in his house) can make their own price.. and the mall will be stocked with UA's like it was with Super Str Pots after some idiot removed access the NPC that sold them.

Beyond that, this is a huge Nerf to PT without fixing any problem. It was just one bullet point among those in my list... yet it really doesn't matter with the economy already being at Stephen's Result A. You're just removing a convenience, and one of the like 2 things Zach has ever created.

I bet you just removed the Stocker NPC from the backrooms didn't you. Maximum skills dawg.

[Zongui]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

When I read this, I thought exactly of this:



I know Shrimps has a bunch too, probably not as many since I always bum them off of him and he spends his extra money running a Potion Trafficking business.

Anyway, yeah that was really stupid and not well thought out at all; now instead of a set price the players with the remaining supply (which is freaking huge I'll tell you now... TK alone had dozens of piles of 100x in his house) can make their own price.. and the mall will be stocked with UA's like it was with Super Str Pots after some idiot removed access the NPC that sold them.

Beyond that, this is a huge Nerf to PT without fixing any problem. It was just one bullet point among those in my list... yet it really doesn't matter with the economy already being at Stephen's Result A. You're just removing a convenience, and one of the like 2 things Zach has ever created.

I bet you just removed the Stocker NPC from the backrooms didn't you. Maximum skills dawg.

does PT sell heavy armor? I am curious to see how this will affect the ammo businesses.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

Oh god, I know that TK has like 20,000 unlimited ammo boxes in his house lmao.

That's quite an exageration... I have 200-250 boxes.

This is exactly wwhat i mean about being smart: I knew that the unlimited ammos wouldn't last forever so I bought a shitload.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

We already removed unlimited ammo ;] we made it stop stocking, so once they sell out of stores they're all gone.
EDIT: Clarification, we will probably still use it as a prize of some kind.

We can't make it harder to get money before taking money out of the economy; it would chase off all the new players. One of the most common complaints I already get is "how can guns cost 900k when it takes me so long to make any money?" When we have players with 20 mil, nobody will start playing making like $500 per hour.

Some sort of a tax would be a cool idea, but I don't know a fair way to implement it. The people who most need to be taxed (as you said) are the ones who are inactive; the ones with millions of dollars sitting in a bank account. But if we start taxing bank accounts, then everyone who has been playing will start pulling their money out before going inactive, but those who are already inactive wouldn't know about it and would get screwed.

Taxing bank transactions would be an idea for "active" money anyways.

Sorry i did not notice the unlimited ammo gone. Happy though that you see it as a good move to. A prize sounds fun.

You aren't making it hard to get money. It also isn't that hard to get money. I have a 53 mining level that i earned and worked for. I have dug a lot of shells & did my fair share of other making money techniques. Why can't they? They just want money to be handed to them and you guys are being to soft.

Sometimes you need to make harsh decisions and tough ones that players won't agree or understand. They will understand one day. I don't think it will chase them of.

Also it would be a good idea to improve money making ideas to make it more "fun" not necessarily "easier". I don't think the problem is how much money you get from these systems it's people not being able to last more than 10 mins doing it as they get bored and fed up. Make it fun to earn money.

You could also implement a system that just wipes your money altogether if you don't log in after a 6-7 month period or whatever. Make it that you cannot log with money on you either & if you do it goes straight into your ATM so people cant avoid dodging the taxes.

Also you can tax people on using ATM. If they withdraw 50k, $500 from their account. So they need $50,500 or they cannot withdraw $50,000. Or you could make it $50,000 and if that's all they have their account goes to -$500

A bank fee of some kind needs to be implemented i think

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

Sorry i did not notice the unlimited ammo gone. Happy though that you see it as a good move to. A prize sounds fun.

You aren't making it hard to get money. It also isn't that hard to get money. I have a 53 mining level that i earned and worked for. I have dug a lot of shells & did my fair share of other making money techniques. Why can't they? They just want money to be handed to them and you guys are being to soft.

Sometimes you need to make harsh decisions and tough ones that players won't agree or understand. They will understand one day. I don't think it will chase them of.

Also it would be a good idea to improve money making ideas to make it more "fun" not necessarily "easier". I don't think the problem is how much money you get from these systems it's people not being able to last more than 10 mins doing it as they get bored and fed up. Make it fun to earn money.

You could also implement a system that just wipes your money altogether if you don't log in after a 6-7 month period or whatever. Make it that you cannot log with money on you either & if you do it goes straight into your ATM so people cant avoid dodging the taxes.

Also you can tax people on using ATM. If they withdraw 50k, $500 from their account. So they need $50,500 or they cannot withdraw $50,000. Or you could make it $50,000 and if that's all they have their account goes to -$500

A bank fee of some kind needs to be implemented i think

That rate is waaaaaaay too high in my opinion. Although I am reset and have nothing, I don't see why people who have millions should suffer because they are good at monopolizing and earning their money. Don't get me wrong though, I do agree that some sort of tax should be in-order, maybe to those who own houses or something as a rent system, or make it so people can buy houses for less cash than they have but have to pay a % of interest by a certain time or it gets removed from them. If you could some-how set it so anyone in the player db that has cash on them automatically gets it transfered to their bank, there is MILLIONS that are duped and spawned on players, they just won't log on because they know it will flag RC now

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

That rate is waaaaaaay too high in my opinion

Which rate are we talking about? the $500? it was just an example.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

I'd love to find an answer to the current economy.

There's no way of fixing the economy since we have players smarter than other players. There will always be the rich and the poor, check out my item list:

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ET Sewer Elixer x142
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