Classic's Tile Set

[BroozeB]

When exploring the vast nature of Classic PC, it is common to notice not only the absolute squalid and unorganized detail of the level, but the revolting tileset as well...see here: This tileset only puts strain on the eyes and is pure garbage. It looks like the tileset was made by some kindergartener in Microsoft Paint. The grass is green, but the red flowers stick out like a giant zit. There's absolutely no variety in the ground. The only things you'll come across are bushes, grass, and flowers, and they all contain similar colors. The worst thing about this is, when you think you've adapted to the absolute horrid colors being repeated infinitely, you see a BRIGHT BLUE building come out of nowhere. Ouch! Imagine if you were watching a video in the dark where you saw red, green, red, and then suddenly purple starts flashing in your eyes. It's torture to look at.
This tileset is dull. You might as well have only green, white, and red tiles, it seems like that's what Thor was aiming at. Seriously, everything is green. It's dull, it's BORING.

Here we have iPhone's tileset, the default. I must say, this is quite an improvement compared to the desert that is Classic PC. The colors are really bright and elaborate, no two colors seem to be repeating often, and no matter what outfit you wear it always blends in nicely with the environment. Also to note, the stone path does not try to stick out in your face, nor do the yellow flowers. It also seems like the bushes are done a bit more smoothly as well.
In conclusion. Classic PC repeats the same colors over and over again, EVEN ON THE DAMN SIGNS, wheresa the default tileset is bright, colorful, and elaborate. It gives you a warm feeling, it makes you feel like you're at home playing a great game.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by BroozeB

it is common to notice not only the absolute squalid and unorganized detail of the level

(Sorry Shannon)

Originally Posted by BroozeB

but the revolting tileset as well

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[maximus_asinus]

Thor's post is all win except for the screenshot of the bridge.. I tiled that

[BroozeB]

Attachment 50464 That's a mistake on Azrael's part, not the whole tileset.

Attachment 50465 The battle arena no longer looks like this.

Attachment 50466 The colors blend well together.

Attachment 50467 Sorry, I forgot, only your highly reputable bridges are to be in Graal. It's a simple creative bridge, and now I think you're just finding random junk to support your opinion, when there's really nothing wrong with such.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

except for the screenshot of the bridge.. I tiled that

Originally Posted by BroozeB

Attachment 50467 sorry, i forgot, only your highly reputable bridges are to be in graal. It's a simple creative bridge, and now i think you're just finding random junk to support your opinion, when there's really nothing wrong with such.

The tiling is fine, it's the tileset itself I am referencing.

Originally Posted by BroozeB

Attachment 50464 That's a mistake on Azrael's part, not the whole tileset.

Seems to be a pretty obvious flaw with the tileset both in terms of appearance and how well the tiles connect together.

Originally Posted by BroozeB

Attachment 50465 The battle arena no longer looks like this

I don't know what it looks like right now but this change that occurred later is still pretty poor.

Originally Posted by BroozeB

Attachment 50466 The colors blend well together.

Now there's nothing wrong with these castle wall tiles themself, but I don't think it was at all their intended purpose to blend with the traditional castle carpet tiles/edges, if you think these blend well together I'm not sure why you think the original tiles clash with eachother.

[MattKan]

While I also agree that the Classic tileset isn't fantastic and may not be of good enough quality for a server of such ambition, the tileset is extremely nostalgic, being an emblem of Classic itself, and taking it away would change the server drastically.

[Fulg0reSama]

Nerd Fight!

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by MattKan

While I also agree that the Classic tileset isn't fantastic and may not be of good enough quality for a server of such ambition, the tileset is extremely nostalgic, being an emblem of Classic itself, and taking it away would change the server drastically.

I've always maintained that I would not be opposed to improvements being made to the original tileset, but in the event of having a specialist graphics artist of a high capability I'd prefer such work to be focussed on the creation of new content for an indefinite amount of time.
I don't necessarily support the original tileset for nostalgic purposes, but I do feel it contributes towards the appropriate mood for what is primarily an adventure server.

[DustyPorViva]

Is this a troll topic? The original pics1(the one seen in the OP) is the best iteration of pics1. The updated one in 2001 looks like trash compared to it, and the one the iPhone uses is just a mashup of a bunch of graphics that don't match and also looks like utter ****.

The original may not be perfect, nor have awesome graphics, but compared to all the other ones it has style and it looks halfway decent.

[BroozeB]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

I don't know what it looks like right now but this change that occurred later is still pretty poor.

I'm seriously loving how the only difference are the pillar tops on iPhone, and the bottom piece. By the way, bricks look much better than...whatever that is on PC's Battle Arena.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by BroozeB

I'm seriously loving how the only difference are the pillar tops on iPhone, and the bottom piece. By the way, bricks look much better than...whatever that is on PC's Battle Arena.

I actually agree that the Battle Arena is somewhat out-dated and could be a lot smoother, and I may change that once the Castle Quest and Events etc are out of the way and touching up the overworld becomes more of a priority.
But why iPhone decided it was necessary to change it, only to apply those changes I don't know, if you're going to change something original it should be for the sake of making it look better or more consistent with the purpose of the building. Those changes just look like a case of somebody with no respect for the history of the server wanting to make something feel like it's "theirs".

[FaLLChiLD]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

...and the one the iPhone uses is just a mashup of a bunch of graphics that don't match and also looks like utter ****.
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Pretty much what I was thinking as I ran around. Also, why replace the cliff tiles with some half-assed unfinished garbage to boot?

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by FaLLChiLD

Also, why replace the cliff tiles with some half-assed unfinished garbage to boot?

Ironically...

Originally Posted by Stefan

Part of the reason why we modified the graphics is also so that people cannot say it's just a ripoff of Zelda.

Despite the fact the cliff tiles are not actually ripped from LTTP.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Despite the fact the cliff tiles are not actually ripped from LTTP.

To say the Graal cliffs look similar enough to Zelda that they were worried about people calling it a ripoff is an insult to Link to the Past.

[FaLLChiLD]

Guess people are in for a shock when they stumble upon the PC version and realize that we are just a ripoff of Zelda!

/sarcasm

[Bell]

Beauty is in the eyes of the Beholder. I personally find that overly cluttered server graphics are a hindrance to the actual gameplay. Since pc Classic is the flagship server of Graal I tend to believe its important we try to not stray too far from our roots in that Z word. We can leave the straying to the other servers that come out.

[ff7chocoboknight]

I wouldn't say that Graal much of a Zelda rip-off now because players don't seem to want to play a Zelda-lke server anymore. Zelda doesn't have guns and MMO style RPG.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Bell

Beholder

Quite sure he'd go with Dusty's opinion as well.

[ff7chocoboknight]

Or he'd snort and make fun of Graal.

[BroozeB]

It would seem to me the pair of you obviously don't understand what the reputation system is.

[Remonq]

And it would appear to me that you obviously don't understand what "Classic" is supposed to be.

[Bell]

A Graalian Truth:
Whatever tileset(s) were used at the time of your life when you started playing Graal and had the most fun is the tileset that is considered the best. While its ok to make some cosmetic changes to said tileset its never acceptable by that generation to make drastic changes. This is also true of the forums. I remember when Graalian green was changed to dolphin blue. A simple color change turned into a revolutionary war.

Trust me Brooze, if you stay around long enough, someone one day will change your preferred tileset and you will be the one spreading negative reps amongst those miscreants who defame your precious tileset. Don't take it to heart, its just a right of passage along the road to becoming an oldbie.

[Tricxta]

Originally Posted by Bell

A Graalian Truth:
Whatever tileset(s) were used at the time of your life when you started playing Graal and had the most fun is the tileset that is considered the best. While its ok to make some...your precious tileset. Don't take it to heart, its just a right of passage along the road to becoming an oldbie.

+rep'd because I agree with this fully. Well said bell

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Bell

A Graalian Truth:
Whatever tileset(s) were used at the time of your life when you started playing Graal and had the most fun is the tileset that is considered the best. While its ok to make some cosmetic changes to said tileset its never acceptable by that generation to make drastic changes. This is also true of the forums. I remember when Graalian green was changed to dolphin blue. A simple color change turned into a revolutionary war.

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This should have been a revolutionary war

[Crono]

parts of new pics1.png look retarded because of the "tile errors'. bricks don't stack properly past their normal height and, if you look closely, trees don't join up as well as the old pics1.png.

the colors are also quite dull, but it's not all that bad. iphone version is by far the worst.

[ffcmike]

On the subject of tileset, the tree tops have been touched up to appear smoother, less contrasting and with a more appropriate shape and perspective.

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Old:

[Galdor]

I like
the new winter tree colors are amazing

the shallow water should be remade to ice, that would be nice. mice.