Graal 'Classic' 3D (picture heavy)

[RegretZ]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

All I'm saying is that a Graal 3D would kill current Graal due to splitting up developers, and Graal is short on those as it is.

Well you know that could change if the developers around here weren't so harsh and unwilling to teach aspiring developers. I hate seeing new developers trying to struggle through material and teach themselves while people could be helping, but instead sit on the side and watch. It doesn't even need to be a lot. Maybe 30 minutes a day to help a new person. But the end result would be very noticeable. As they say, if everyone puts even a drop in the bucket, we can fill it together.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by RegretZ

Well you know that could change if the developers around here weren't so harsh and unwilling to teach aspiring developers. I hate seeing new developers trying to struggle through material and teach themselves while people could be helping, but instead sit on the side and watch. It doesn't even need to be a lot. Maybe 30 minutes a day to help a new person. But the end result would be very noticeable. As they say, if everyone puts even a drop in the bucket, we can fill it together.

Testbed. Besides, learning by doing is a lot more efficient, and when you encounter an error there's plenty of people to ask for help on how to proceed.

[RegretZ]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Testbed. Besides, learning by doing is a lot more efficient, and when you encounter an error there's plenty of people to ask for help on how to proceed.

Yes but not everyone is able to teach themselves. Not all the tutorials are that good either. Sure, you can ask people once you have a vague idea of what you're doing, but getting started intimidates a lot of people more than anything else.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by RegretZ

Yes but not everyone is able to teach themselves. Not all the tutorials are that good either. Sure, you can ask people once you have a vague idea of what you're doing, but getting started intimidates a lot of people more than anything else.

If somebody isn't able to teach themselves anything about development, then they likely wouldn't progress very far. A prime example of this would be in scripting because it can't be taught without coding your own systems.

Edit: I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can be taught how variables work or what loops do but until you start coding with them you won't fully understand how to script.

[WhiteDragon]

Originally Posted by RegretZ

Well you know that could change if the developers around here weren't so harsh and unwilling to teach aspiring developers. I hate seeing new developers trying to struggle through material and teach themselves while people could be helping, but instead sit on the side and watch.

I think this is an exaggeration, or even completely false. Almost every single Graal developer I know would be willing to help someone out as long as that person is looking to actually improve their skills, rather than just trying to glue stuff together or whatever.

In fact, the scripting forums have been extremely awesome for weeks now. Everyone gets a good response almost right after they post, as long as the question wasn't "can you make me a car script" or whatever.


The real problem is that the resources we do have are extremely hard to find, and impossible to use for many people. You can't post on the forums without paying for an account; the Graal wiki is pretty hidden; the Testbed server is also pretty hidden and, again, requires $$$ for an account.

I think a button on Login for "looking to create your own world?" which sends you to an observer-mode-disabled RC-for-anyone Testbed and links you to the relevant stuff (forums, dev wiki, etc.), would go an extremely long way in encouraging new developers. Also, perhaps more boldly, open up the forums or certain sections of the forums to anyone using it -- a place for discussion is very important to people trying to learn.