Who do you respect the most on Graal?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Hiro

only a few are well known throughout graal and have access to the types of floors to actually discuss these issues with people who run the game, and they are not apart of the action we players want to see, and they agree with us

Right, because we just sit around and do nothing....

[Door]

Originally Posted by Hiro

i've been silenced from doing so on more than just one occasion i can think of. the fact is, it's masses of players that make the difference, not just one or even a couple. we can all agree and talk about things, sure, but once mass action takes place to hurt the powers that be in a place that forces them to act, and the action isn't bottle-necked by some different form of "player's" opinions and goals, then we aren't going to get any answers. i'm not even sure they listen to their global staff on these issues, and they're their global ****ing staff |8

i agree with you on all points about graal, and on all points about action. but, as you may have read in this thread, i'm not a respected person on the forums, nor are many people; only a few are well known throughout graal and have access to the types of floors to actually discuss these issues with people who run the game, and they are not apart of the action we players want to see, and they agree with us

Well not to be rude at all, cuz I totally appreciate any and all agreement, but right now you are part of the effort to stop players from getting together in mass. I know exactly ywhat you mean, and I agree, but it doesn't just happen by itself. Just as the description suggests, everyone needs to pitch in, everyone needs to be positive and contribute in some way, whatever way they can manage.

C'mon man, hop on the bandwagon! For once it's not to mock someone or spread a joke meme, it's to actually attempt at making a real difference for real people, including you and me.

WE CAN DO THIS, GUYS!

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Door

boycotting.

Door... I can say with utmost confidence, that any major form of boycotting would get Graal shut down faster than we would have time to come on the forums and complain the boycott not working. This is why, for that reason, that is not an option for improving Graal.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Right, because we just sit around and do nothing....

no, you put forth action and receive nothing - it's much, much worse

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Door... I can say with utmost confidence, that any major form of boycotting would get Graal shut down faster than we would have time to come on the forums and complain the boycott not working. This is why, for that reason, that is not an option for improving Graal.

exactly, but it seems to be one of a few choices that would produce results, but it's also shooting ourselves in the foot. the current silence will just continue otherwise, but doing something can result in the game being erased

[Door]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Door... I can say with utmost confidence, that any major form of boycotting would get Graal shut down faster than we would have time to come on the forums and complain the boycott not working. This is why, for that reason, that is not an option for improving Graal.

Hey you're probably right about that, so I guess boycotting might be a little too extreme for the people who love Graal. But that just shows how lazy, selfish, and unwilling to improve they truly are. Graal has become nothing but money, they seem to show little interest in it, and we players have to hold it together and try to glue the pieces back on. And pay to do so.

So yeah, go ahead and keep supporting and defending that buddy, or maybe we can work toward a better solution, like potentially purchasing the rights to Graal. God knows we do a better job managing it right now than the rotten ones who own it, even though they consistently hold us back by taking our money and putting a huge wall of bureaucracy in our way of any major decisions.

[Googi]

Kaimetsu, of course. Of the remaining players, Moon Goddess.

[Mark Sir Link]

I can't believe people think that Stefan and Unixmad are running Graal at personal loss. If that was the case I think they might actually give a **** about it and work on it because to do so means they have some sort of love of the game as well.

It's painfully obvious they're yielding some profit and are perfectly content to leave the game in the mired **** hole it is because people are still willing to close their eyes and waste their money so that CJ can profit hand over fist.


It's become brutally evident that just asking for improvements isn't enough, so it's pretty evident that the only option left to a consumer actually seeking improvement is to speak with the power of the purse rather than with the diatribes of empty threats and angry words.

[Curt1zzle]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I can't believe people think that Stefan and Unixmad are running Graal at personal loss. If that was the case I think they might actually give a **** about it and work on it because to do so means they have some sort of love of the game as well.

It's painfully obvious they're yielding some profit and are perfectly content to leave the game in the mired **** hole it is because people are still willing to close their eyes and waste their money so that CJ can profit hand over fist.


It's become brutally evident that just asking for improvements isn't enough, so it's pretty evident that the only option left to a consumer actually seeking improvement is to speak with the power of the purse rather than with the diatribes of empty threats and angry words.

[Mark Sir Link]

ur cute

[jorollychu]

dude-ah

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Door... I can say with utmost confidence, that any major form of boycotting would get Graal shut down faster than we would have time to come on the forums and complain the boycott not working. This is why, for that reason, that is not an option for improving Graal.

You're conveniently not responding to Door when she's brought the discussion back to her original point, and have decided to focus on things that come across as extreme when they've only really been an example. Because it's only a hypothetical example and not even close to something that is happening in the reality, you should be able to see that "writ[ing] people off" simply because they complain is a completely ignorant statement to make and that is what this entire discussion has been about. Those people are the ones that are keeping this game alive, not the people who pretend as though everything is fine and dandy. At least these people are still here, still trying and optimistic that change could potentially happen, but because they're a little more realistic about their views of the game that's suddenly a bad thing

Yeah, no.

[BigBear3]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I would like to nominate myself.

You have to climb out from under your Valikorlian rock.

[Door]

ty Ruf and Kevin, I think they both explained what I meant in short and simple for me, maybe Tig won't have such a hard time with it now that they have.

[CharlieM]

Quit the hijacks

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Googi

Kaimetsu, of course. Of the remaining players, Moon Goddess.

Implying she actually plays

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Rufus

You're conveniently not responding to Door when she's brought the discussion back to her original point, and have decided to focus on things that come across as extreme when they've only really been an example. Because it's only a hypothetical example and not even close to something that is happening in the reality, you should be able to see that "writ[ing] people off" simply because they complain is a completely ignorant statement to make and that is what this entire discussion has been about. Those people are the ones that are keeping this game alive, not the people who pretend as though everything is fine and dandy. At least these people are still here, still trying and optimistic that change could potentially happen, but because they're a little more realistic about their views of the game that's suddenly a bad thing

Yeah, no.

I already addressed Door's main points in a previous post. I don't see a reason to do it again. I told her I agree with most of her points.

Also, I already said that negativity is good until it gets too excessive, because then it is just demotivating. Do you really think that constantly nagging will really fix something? It really won't. You guys have been doing it for a while now and nothing has changed. Instead, you've just made it harder to get things done because you could be helping, but you're not.

Do not twist my words around either, I only "write people off" who constantly complain, not people who complain. There is a large difference.

If you and your friends would focus as much attention to Bomy Island as you do to complaining, we might just have a good "new" server to play for Graal.

[Door]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

I already addressed Door's main points in a previous post. I don't see a reason to do it again. I told her I agree with most of her points.

Also, I already said that negativity is good until it gets too excessive, because then it is just demotivating. Do you really think that constantly nagging will really fix something? It really won't. You guys have been doing it for a while now and nothing has changed. Instead, you've just made it harder to get things done because you could be helping, but you're not.

Do not twist my words around either, I only "write people off" who constantly complain, not people who complain. There is a large difference.

If you and your friends would focus as much attention to Bomy Island as you do to complaining, we might just have a good "new" server to play for Graal.

Tigairius uses Defense Curl! Tigairius is out of moves! Tigairius struggles in a panic!

gj lashing out to change the subject away from your own complete and utter inability to defend your actions against everything I said. Yeah, you agreed with me, yeah, you said I'm too negative. Then I told you exactly what I think that means, and you are completely ignoring it just like Rufus said. At least fall gracefully.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I can't believe people think that Stefan and Unixmad are running Graal at personal loss. If that was the case I think they might actually give a **** about it and work on it because to do so means they have some sort of love of the game as well.

It's painfully obvious they're yielding some profit and are perfectly content to leave the game in the mired **** hole it is because people are still willing to close their eyes and waste their money so that CJ can profit hand over fist.


It's become brutally evident that just asking for improvements isn't enough, so it's pretty evident that the only option left to a consumer actually seeking improvement is to speak with the power of the purse rather than with the diatribes of empty threats and angry words.

yea because they gain so much right? i bet the bomb threats they received a couple years ago really motivated them to work. i bet they drive really fancy cars and lounge about all day because of the profits they receive from graal. while i don't wish to paraphrase, stefan implied that graal was being run personally, and maybe even at a marginal loss, especially when compared to their other projects which are much more economically beneficial. the only thing "attacking their purse" would do would push them to close down the game, which i hope is not the goal here

and in relation to tig/door/rufus, anyone who bothers to log onto graal and even just idle for more than 5 minutes contributes more to graal than the people who just post on the forums. it's the small community of sparrers, guilds, and whatever you wanna call the people who play zodiac and era, that keep the game up, not the forum participants or PWA. i am much more of a "complainer" and am much more rude on the forums than i am to people who actually go on graal, because it's you guys (and i did not mean to direct that personally at tig/rufus/door) who don't really deserve the respect and need the complaining, not them.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by kia345

Implying she actually plays

Yea, I actually do...just not as much because there is really nothing to do anymore, but yea....I actually sign on N-Pulse quite often since I got my new computer, and play an event now and then, and chat, but I do log on...

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

I already addressed Door's main points in a previous post. I don't see a reason to do it again. I told her I agree with most of her points.

Yeah okay, you agreed with points that contradict most of your actions and attitude towards people? What cop-out. It's pretty obvious you just lack of a viable response for what she said.

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Also, I already said that negativity is good until it gets too excessive, because then it is just demotivating. Do you really think that constantly nagging will really fix something? It really won't. You guys have been doing it for a while now and nothing has changed. Instead, you've just made it harder to get things done because you could be helping, but you're not.

If people aren't happy, they're either going to up and leave or resort to complaining about it. That is the nature of a consumer. Excessive problems? Excessive nagging.

You're not helping anything at all with your faux-ideals. When you go out of your way to do something for someone else they might appreciate it; do everything for that someone else and they'll end up taking it for granted. Look where we are now. We do all of the in-game development, they expect and rely on the players to do it, and development used to be a 'thing on the side' for players to get involved in if they wanted to. We should not be attempting to motivate through doing, there should already be a motivation provided in the money that is paid by all of the players out there looking for a change. You can call it "helping" all you want, but it's really not a case of just lending a hand.

Originally Posted by Tigairius

If you and your friends would focus as much attention to Bomy Island as you do to complaining, we might just have a good "new" server to play for Graal.

I'm not going to sink to your level of immaturity, but you're manager of Graal Kingdoms and where's the much needed releases for that? You're administrator of the guilds, and where's the much needed content for that? You should know exactly what problems people face here whilst developing. Clearly your positivity isn't resulting in much either, especially since you have numerous things under your belt that you appear to be completely neglecting. Call me, a player, out all you like for not being able to contribute at a fast pace, but who is paying me? Who is paying my staff? I can proudly state that anything and everything we do is for the players though, I bet you can't say the same.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

If you and your friends would focus as much attention to Bomy Island as you do to complaining, we might just have a good "new" server to play for Graal.

If you paid enough attention to GK, maybe it would be a half-decent server and people would play it instead of getting on the forums and complaining.

[BigBear3]

Originally Posted by kia345

If you paid enough attention to GK, maybe it would be a half-decent server and people would play it instead of getting on the forums and complaining.

Complain.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=69091

[Googi]

Originally Posted by kia345

Implying she actually plays

She plays the forums.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Googi

She plays the forums.

Yea, cause they are just so darned enjoyable!

[BigBear3]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Yea, cause they are just so darned enjoyable!

We love you too.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Yea, cause they are just so darned enjoyable!

They could be.

[Scouser]

Iwannasee Tig's reply :O

[Obs311]

My god, this went way off topic, eh? XD

Anyway, I can't really say who I respect, because I can't decide.

[Luda]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

They could be.

haha

[Geno]

Stefan and Unixmad!

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Hiro

yea because they gain so much right? i bet the bomb threats they received a couple years ago really motivated them to work. i bet they drive really fancy cars and lounge about all day because of the profits they receive from graal. while i don't wish to paraphrase, stefan implied that graal was being run personally, and maybe even at a marginal loss, especially when compared to their other projects which are much more economically beneficial. the only thing "attacking their purse" would do would push them to close down the game, which i hope is not the goal here

Could you maybe try for like 20 seconds to turn down the stupid? There is obviously some sort of financial benefit from running Graal still, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. It's obvious this isn't some pet project they're keeping alive because they're passionate about it because they DON'T WORK ON IT AT ALL.

Therefore, only two plausible scenarios exist for why Graal continues running and those 2 scenarios are:

A.) They're turning a profit from the game.

B.) They suffer several forms of mental disease.

[Imperialistic]