Gold Coloring Help

[Unkownsoldier]

Here is my trophy, currently I think it's a well made W.I.P. yet, I need some help blending the gold colors together, can anyone help me?

[Galdor]

something like this maybe but I donno xP

[DustyPorViva]

Metallics are all about contrast -- bright highlights and dark shades. Galdor has the right idea, though to emphasize you might want to make the darks a little darker. You also don't want to shy away from putting them near each other -- metals don't react to light like other materials as they reflect it much like a mirror. So you have the underlying color of gold, but the surface itself is mostly covered with reflections so all those shades and highlights are from reflections of its surroundings.

Here is the trophy from Pixeljoint:

Also, your perspective is a bit off:

[Kain4lyfe]

Usually the color palette makes a huge difference when trying to resemble gold. The highlights as well. Dusty is right so listen to him. :]

[Stephen]

I find the easiest way to do gold, and lot of other metals, is to take advantage of your highlights and shadows. Plain old yellow will do for your fill, but you have to be creative with your highlights and shadows.

Originally Posted by Galdor

something like this maybe but I donno xP

Cute, I want to see how it looks resized to match his original.

[Elk]

a quick edit

[Crono]

Wow **** off elk that is good.

[Luda]

Niceee

[Nelm]

Wowww. Very nice, Elk.

[Unkownsoldier]

Originally Posted by Elk

a quick edit

lol, always out-doing everyone else. Good trophy.

[Galdor]

hehe nice one elk

[Soala]

Wow that's awesome
Actually to color anything with gold, I always use a shading of course, but with some non-common colors, like orange/dark orange shade

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Elk

a quick edit

How quick?

[Elk]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

How quick?

10 minutes or 11, today was last day at school before summer break, so I was bored and did this
as you can tell it's a pretty dirty sketch
the bottom part is mirrored except the shield and the trophy itself

[ff7chocoboknight]

So is anyone actually going to help him become better, or are you all going to gawk at Elk's trophy?

[Galdor]

Originally Posted by ff7chocoboknight

So is anyone actually going to help him become better, or are you all going to gawk at Elk's trophy?

Well he could always look at Elks trophy and learn from that xD

[Unkownsoldier]

Galdor, you can always look at a sentence in Chinese and learn from that, but can you tell me what it means in English?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by ff7chocoboknight

So is anyone actually going to help him become better, or are you all going to gawk at Elk's trophy?

Nope, I totally ignored him.

[smirt362]

Originally Posted by Elk

a quick edit

Originally Posted by Elk

10 minutes or 11, today was last day at school before summer break, so I was bored and did this
as you can tell it's a pretty dirty sketch
the bottom part is mirrored except the shield and the trophy itself

That made me a bit sad/envious.

[Liberated]

Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier

Galdor, you can always look at a sentence in Chinese and learn from that, but can you tell me what it means in English?

completely different, you can study where elk placed the highlights and shadows, what colors he used, etc. There is loads to learn from something like that.

[Unkownsoldier]

Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.

[Liberated]

Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier

Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.

When you study his cup, you see how you should shade a cup, you can call it copying yes, but normally there is only one right way to shade something, with 1 lightsource.
And of course you won't learn how to shade a square from looking at a cup, but this was about a cup and not about a square was it not.

[Galdor]

Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier

Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.

silence grasshoppah... in time and with some studying you will understand.
I'll send you some good read that is not too boring, and easy to understand

[smirt362]

Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier

Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.

The great art masters learned by studying other works/masters and then coming up with their own innovations and style. That's how art has evolved for centuries. So if you're stuck on something, look at how someone else did it and try to come up with something on your own.

[Unkownsoldier]

The difference is these "great art masters" want to become masters, I just want to be average. So there in for lies, that I would not study a master. I just wanted a description of what I should do, not an image, because images are worth a million words, however their not made of the words described to make them. If you catch my drift.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by smirt362

The great art masters learned by studying other works/masters and then coming up with their own innovations and style. That's how art has evolved for centuries. So if you're stuck on something, look at how someone else did it and try to come up with something on your own.

Do not tell us how the great masters learned when you do not know. That's very arrogant.

[MrAnonymous_P2P]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Do not tell us how the great masters learned when you do not know. That's very arrogant.

It's also very arrogant of you to assume he doesn't know what he is talking about.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Do not tell us how the great masters learned when you do not know. That's very arrogant.

Yeah smirt don't talk about us great masters when YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW MAN.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by MrAnonymous_P2P

It's also very arrogant of you to assume he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Given his description of "Great Masters", anyone with an education in art history can - with great ease - see he does not know what he's talking about.

[Liberated]

And even then, don't you study images and irl objects to see how the light works? I do, looking at a good other drawing gives the same effect, you don't even have to look at how he drew it.

[Elk]

Gotta love Camera Lucida and Camera Obscura
They sure were great masters

The thing that the "great masters" learned from looking at other work is just a part of the whole...a very very small part

[Robin]

It just occurred to me that that Graal supports 24bit images now and you don't even need to pixel ANYTHING =o

[Elk]

Originally Posted by Robin

It just occurred to me that that Graal supports 24bit images now and you don't even need to pixel ANYTHING =o

Technically it is possible, but it is barely possible to put that into reality, as it will be a huge problem resourcewise.

24 bit .PNG's are similar to .RAW
if you know what I'm talking about.

[Robin]

People can get broadband

[Elk]

Originally Posted by Robin

People can get broadband

Still, would take ages to load all that stuff
Not everyone has broadband so...

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Elk

Still, would take ages to load all that stuff
Not everyone has broadband so...

I started using 24bit PNG files on GK shortly after the client was able to render them - we haven't had any bandwidth problems or complaints.

In the case of functionality vs. practicality with 24bit PNG files, they seem to be entirely functional for mass use on Graal.

[Elk]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I started using 24bit PNG files on GK shortly after the client was able to render them - we haven't had any bandwidth problems or complaints.

In the case of functionality vs. practicality with 24bit PNG files, they seem to be entirely functional for mass use on Graal.

But could cause lag-problems on overworlds if overused I think

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Elk

Still, would take ages to load all that stuff
Not everyone has broadband so...

Not everyone has higher resolution monitors so...

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Elk

But could cause lag-problems on overworlds if overused I think

The client has been optimized for this sort of stuff, you only see a problem if you have a ridiculous amount of 24bit PNG images in a single level - but you would see the same problems with a regular PNG file as well.

The filesize increase is so minimal with regular graphics (32x32, 128x128, etc) that it's negligible. You do see a substantial difference if you are working with a large image (500x500+) but large images are difficult in any format, so the benefit is still fairly substantial.

I've worked with very large 24bit PNG files on GK; once they're downloaded there's no other issue (lag, etc). For anyone considering the benefits and switching to 24bit PNG, I would say from my experience it's entirely worth it.

[Elk]

Originally Posted by Crono

Not everyone has higher resolution monitors so...

XD shhhh!!!