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Old 07-03-2009, 02:11 AM
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Gold Coloring Help

Here is my trophy, currently I think it's a well made W.I.P. yet, I need some help blending the gold colors together, can anyone help me?

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Old 07-03-2009, 02:36 AM
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something like this maybe but I donno xP
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Old 07-03-2009, 02:49 AM
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Metallics are all about contrast -- bright highlights and dark shades. Galdor has the right idea, though to emphasize you might want to make the darks a little darker. You also don't want to shy away from putting them near each other -- metals don't react to light like other materials as they reflect it much like a mirror. So you have the underlying color of gold, but the surface itself is mostly covered with reflections so all those shades and highlights are from reflections of its surroundings.

Here is the trophy from Pixeljoint:

Also, your perspective is a bit off:
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Old 07-03-2009, 05:34 AM
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Usually the color palette makes a huge difference when trying to resemble gold. The highlights as well. Dusty is right so listen to him. :]
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Old 07-03-2009, 07:05 AM
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I find the easiest way to do gold, and lot of other metals, is to take advantage of your highlights and shadows. Plain old yellow will do for your fill, but you have to be creative with your highlights and shadows.
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something like this maybe but I donno xP
Cute, I want to see how it looks resized to match his original.
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Old 07-03-2009, 08:31 AM
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Wowww. Very nice, Elk.
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lol, always out-doing everyone else. Good trophy.
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hehe nice one elk
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Wow that's awesome
Actually to color anything with gold, I always use a shading of course, but with some non-common colors, like orange/dark orange shade
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How quick?
10 minutes or 11, today was last day at school before summer break, so I was bored and did this
as you can tell it's a pretty dirty sketch
the bottom part is mirrored except the shield and the trophy itself
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Old 07-04-2009, 01:20 AM
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So is anyone actually going to help him become better, or are you all going to gawk at Elk's trophy?
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Old 07-04-2009, 02:11 AM
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So is anyone actually going to help him become better, or are you all going to gawk at Elk's trophy?
Well he could always look at Elks trophy and learn from that xD
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Galdor, you can always look at a sentence in Chinese and learn from that, but can you tell me what it means in English?
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Nope, I totally ignored him.
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Old 07-05-2009, 12:08 PM
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the bottom part is mirrored except the shield and the trophy itself
That made me a bit sad/envious.
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Galdor, you can always look at a sentence in Chinese and learn from that, but can you tell me what it means in English?
completely different, you can study where elk placed the highlights and shadows, what colors he used, etc. There is loads to learn from something like that.
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Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.
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Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.
When you study his cup, you see how you should shade a cup, you can call it copying yes, but normally there is only one right way to shade something, with 1 lightsource.
And of course you won't learn how to shade a square from looking at a cup, but this was about a cup and not about a square was it not.
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Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.
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Ya, I can see where he put them and only COPY that with this SHAPE, but I don't learn why I have to put it there, and when I go to make a different shape I can't because I don't understand where to put highlights on that.
The great art masters learned by studying other works/masters and then coming up with their own innovations and style. That's how art has evolved for centuries. So if you're stuck on something, look at how someone else did it and try to come up with something on your own.
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The difference is these "great art masters" want to become masters, I just want to be average. So there in for lies, that I would not study a master. I just wanted a description of what I should do, not an image, because images are worth a million words, however their not made of the words described to make them. If you catch my drift.
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The great art masters learned by studying other works/masters and then coming up with their own innovations and style. That's how art has evolved for centuries. So if you're stuck on something, look at how someone else did it and try to come up with something on your own.
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Given his description of "Great Masters", anyone with an education in art history can - with great ease - see he does not know what he's talking about.
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And even then, don't you study images and irl objects to see how the light works? I do, looking at a good other drawing gives the same effect, you don't even have to look at how he drew it.
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They sure were great masters

The thing that the "great masters" learned from looking at other work is just a part of the whole...a very very small part
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Technically it is possible, but it is barely possible to put that into reality, as it will be a huge problem resourcewise.

24 bit .PNG's are similar to .RAW
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Not everyone has broadband so...
I started using 24bit PNG files on GK shortly after the client was able to render them - we haven't had any bandwidth problems or complaints.

In the case of functionality vs. practicality with 24bit PNG files, they seem to be entirely functional for mass use on Graal.
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I started using 24bit PNG files on GK shortly after the client was able to render them - we haven't had any bandwidth problems or complaints.

In the case of functionality vs. practicality with 24bit PNG files, they seem to be entirely functional for mass use on Graal.
But could cause lag-problems on overworlds if overused I think
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But could cause lag-problems on overworlds if overused I think
The client has been optimized for this sort of stuff, you only see a problem if you have a ridiculous amount of 24bit PNG images in a single level - but you would see the same problems with a regular PNG file as well.

The filesize increase is so minimal with regular graphics (32x32, 128x128, etc) that it's negligible. You do see a substantial difference if you are working with a large image (500x500+) but large images are difficult in any format, so the benefit is still fairly substantial.

I've worked with very large 24bit PNG files on GK; once they're downloaded there's no other issue (lag, etc). For anyone considering the benefits and switching to 24bit PNG, I would say from my experience it's entirely worth it.
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