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[Crono]

Originally Posted by DarkReaper0

Valikorlia is basically a haven for the nerds of graal.

So basically the super-nerds of the nerds.

I'm neither and I played Valikorlia from 2002 to 2005 and still occasionally visit it.

[Umat]

I just don't know what to do or where to go on Valikorlia. They didn't even have me interested for more than 5 minutes. :P

The graphics are good and it seems to have potential. Does it have any quests? If so I've totally missed those.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Umat

I just don't know what to do or where to go on Valikorlia. They didn't even have me interested for more than 5 minutes. :P

The graphics are good and it seems to have potential. Does it have any quests? If so I've totally missed those.

Not now, no, but 5-6 years ago it was fun and the server's populance was much more welcome to non-Valikorlians. Today it seems that anyone new who wants an ounce of fun is deemed a troll and jailed/banned as swiftly as possible.

[Umat]

lol, that's awful. They should take it away from the playerworlds tab then. :P Atlantis should also be taken away. Make places for new servers that has quality content (if there is any).

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

lol, that's awful. They should take it away from the playerworlds tab then. :P Atlantis should also be taken away. Make places for new servers that has quality content (if there is any).

Atlantis is pretty nice, aside from only being able to understand 15 percent of it. A few months ago, a few guys from GK hung out there while the server was sucking, and we actually had a good time for a few weeks leveling and such. The mining system was pretty fun, and the fact I had no idea what I needed to craft things made it more of a challenge. And being an archer is nice.

Val is actually nice too, it's not a run+level server like you want, it's straight RP'ing. Yeah, you'll get ran off if you act like an idiot (or do anything out of line), but if you're not trying to be stupid and actually put effort into being involved and inline, it's great.

[Umat]

I like servers that's more straight forward with quests where you get items and such. Seems to be none except Classic right now. And Classic has too few quests. I have played through their quests as guest a couple of time just for the sake of it.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

I like servers that's more straight forward with quests where you get items and such. Seems to be none except Classic right now. And Classic has too few quests. I have played through their quests as guest a couple of time just for the sake of it.

Just because you like it doesn't mean that's the only kind of server worth having. I enjoyed Atlantis a lot. Val's playerbase is mostly people who have been around for ages, so apparently it's working for them.

[Soala]

Originally Posted by Umat

Atlantis should also be taken away

No way, Atlantis recently got a new Manager, and it's actually Jack Jasra
I didn't see yet what's going on there, but he's often on, so there are more people on Atlantis now, it's still alive.

[Umat]

Originally Posted by kia345

Just because you like it doesn't mean that's the only kind of server worth having. I enjoyed Atlantis a lot. Val's playerbase is mostly people who have been around for ages, so apparently it's working for them.

No, I didn't say that. I just said that I prefer that. But if 99 percent of the servers is RP-servers, wouldn't it be nice to make place for one more adventure/quest server?

I like playing RP-servers too, but I'd like to have a purpose to what I do, other than slashing newbies outside the OSL-location on Zodiac. :P

Look at other MMORPGs, they have some type of quest (even if it's just a boss to team up to be able to defeat). I might've missed all this because of miss information on the servers I've played on.

Originally Posted by alexandralove

No way, Atlantis recently got a new Manager, and it's actually Jack Jasra
I didn't see yet what's going on there, but he's often on, so there are more people on Atlantis now, it's still alive.

Oh, I didn't know there was a revival there. It seems so dead most of the time. :/

[Yocas]

Originally Posted by DarkReaper0

Valikorlia is basically a haven for the nerds of graal.

So basically the super-nerds of the nerds.

Not really. It's just for people who like strictly RPing; which isn't much. RPing is boring as hell imo. Why RP when you could actually do the action or play the role for real?

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

No, I didn't say that. I just said that I prefer that. But if 99 percent of the servers is RP-servers, wouldn't it be nice to make place for one more adventure/quest server?

I like playing RP-servers too, but I'd like to have a purpose to what I do, other than slashing newbies outside the OSL-location on Zodiac. :P

Zodiac is not an RP server. Val is an RP server, GK is occasionally an RP server. Zodiac is not.

Look at other MMORPGs, they have some type of quest (even if it's just a boss to team up to be able to defeat). I might've missed all this because of miss information on the servers I've played on.

Other MMORPG's multiple 'servers' are managed by the same people and have the same content. And most MMORPGs are miserable RPGs where no one RPs, it's just the same as Zodiac.

[Umat]

Originally Posted by kia345

Zodiac is not an RP server. Val is an RP server, GK is occasionally an RP server. Zodiac is not.



Other MMORPG's multiple 'servers' are managed by the same people and have the same content. And most MMORPGs are miserable RPGs where no one RPs, it's just the same as Zodiac.

Now I get it. It's like going out to play an orc in the woods except you're doing this with your character online... :P

[kia345]

"Role playing" sounds less pitiful.

[Umat]

Originally Posted by kia345

"Role playing" sounds less pitiful.

You can never escape from who you are.

[DutchGuy]

Originally Posted by kia345

What are you even trying to say?

that we should leave this forum to die and hopefully someone from the development team will logon and decide to make graal free again.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Umat

Make places for new servers that has quality content (if there is any).

To be honest Valikorlia has some of the highest quality content and has been this way for years. While everyone else was just understanding the implications of custom ganis on non-p2p playerworlds, Valikorlia was already using custom weapons in 2002 along with nice monster gani weapons. By 2003 they had a nice gui (for it's time) and RPG system. 2004 saw a very good looking worldmap and they were already shrinking players (to fit with the worldmap).

Even today, it has some nice tiles and some talented artists. It's a shame most of them only make graphics (heads, bodies, etc) for themselves, and not for Valikorlia or Graal as a whole though. Then again, you can't really blame them. ("PAY 2 DEVELOP LOLS!!1").

[Umat]

What I meant with that is that when I play a game, I want to have something to do, not just play in the woods with swords and pretend that I am something I'm not.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

What I meant with that is that when I play a game, I want to have something to do, not just play in the woods with swords and pretend that I am something I'm not.

That's what you're doing when you play the game no matter if it's RP, racing, or minigolf.

I play Oblivion as an Argonian Witchhunter. I actually go through towns wiping out Mages Guild members and magic users, and that's not part of the game at all, I just like to get into and play the part of a witch hunter. But just because I play that role in a game, does it mean I want to do it in real life?

Just because people RP doesn't mean they fall short of being cool people - maybe, god forbid, they enjoy playing the game.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Umat

What I meant with that is that when I play a game, I want to have something to do, not just play in the woods with swords and pretend that I am something I'm not.

They're still working on a combat system. I don't know about you but exploring and talking to people makes up a good portion of what I do on Graal anyway.

[Umat]

Talking... I do that here if there's any interesting threads. On aim/msn or on IRC. :P Exploring, sure, I do that, but it's not that fun if there isn't anything to find. I like stuff with storylines. Something to lay my thoughts on while playing.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

I like stuff with storylines. Something to lay my thoughts on while playing.

RP'ing is being a part of the story.

[Umat]

That is making your own story. I don't pay for using my own imagination. I pay for content, sure Valikorlia has nice graphics and good gui whatnot but I require more. Isn't there anyone on graal that shares the same thoughts?

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Call us Valikorlians nerds, if you want. But, we can out-develop any server on this game, if we weren't so damn lazy.

Originally Posted by Umat

That is making your own story. I don't pay for using my own imagination. I pay for content, sure Valikorlia has nice graphics and good gui whatnot but I require more. Isn't there anyone on graal that shares the same thoughts?

Then don't play Valikorlia. It's a text-based roleplaying game, y'know. There's a bunch of other servers out there.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

Isn't there anyone on graal that shares the same thoughts?

That RP'ing is stupid and that it takes an expert storyteller to enjoy it? Yeah, they're on Zone and Era.

That is making your own story.

You don't create your own story from scratch, you create yourself and tuck yourself safely within the already made RP. It's not all about you, you're not writing the play, you're just a useless background character - just like you are on every other server, RP or not.

I don't use my own imagination.

[Umat]

Originally Posted by kia345

That RP'ing is stupid and that it takes an expert storyteller to enjoy it? Yeah, they're on Zone and Era.

Zone and Era? Are you kidding? Those guys are just kids that isn't able to play Counter-strike/Battlefield or whatever ebcause their parents think it's too gory.

Era and Zone has no story what so ever.

Atleast Classic has some kind of story. Even though it's been broken/incomplete/dull/boring since 3-4 years back when they started over from scratch.

You don't create your own story from scratch, you create yourself and tuck yourself safely within the already made RP. It's not all about you, you're not writing the play, you're just a useless background character - just like you are on every other server, RP or not.

You sure are a stubborn little fella, aren't you? Can't I have my own opinions of what a good game is built upon without getting flamed about it?

Just stop being a douche.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

You sure are a stubborn little fella, aren't you? Can't I have my own opinions of what a good game is built upon without getting flamed about it?

You're playing RP'ing off as bad and useless, that's hardly an opinion. And your 'opinion' is baseless, as you seem to have no idea what RP'ing even is.

[Umat]

Originally Posted by kia345

You're playing RP'ing off as bad and useless, that's hardly an opinion. And your 'opinion' is baseless, as you seem to have no idea what RP'ing even is.

I know what roleplaying is. You put yourself in a role as a another person/animal/thing and makes up background stories and pretend to do stuff that isn't actually happening. When I play a game, I play as myself. This doesn't mean I think of myself as a god or anything like that. I just think it's unnecessary to pretend to be something you're not. Sure, I'm youmat on classic, and look like an ape in a somewhat stormtrooperlooking body. But that's it. I don't run around and marrying other players on graal because I think that's just plain stupid. However the feeling of having successfully completed a quest on the other hand is great.

I guess I'm to old to play with toys and pretend I'm spiderman. But that doesn't mean I don't have any imagination. I haven't insulted you personally in any way. So why should you?

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Umat

I guess I'm to old to play with toys and pretend I'm spiderman. But that doesn't mean I don't have any imagination. I haven't insulted you personally in any way. So why should you?

You just insulted role players. And geez, I don't know, RP-PvE servers on a MMORPG from a certain company named Blizzard are damned popular, not to mention RPing in general all over the world, you know that Dungeons & Dragons stuff etcetera.

As a daily RPer myself, I can definitely tell you that you have gotten the wrong impression of what role playing really is about.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Umat

I guess I'm to old to play with toys and pretend I'm spiderman. But that doesn't mean I don't have any imagination. I haven't insulted you personally in any way. So why should you?

I'd feel safe saying that Valikorlia has the oldest average playerbase on Graal. While you may call what you're doing roleplaying, it really isn't near any level of true roleplaying. Text-based roleplaying is probably the truest form of it.

And, yeah, you might call us losers. But, a lot of us are actually intelligent, and lead pretty satisfactory lives. Not to mention that I'm probably 150x better than you at anything that involves creativity and strategy.

[Umat]

Still, my point is that everyone doesn't roleplay and there should be a server somewhere more like classic was, with quest. Sure you can RP on classic too, but it had something to do other than shooting and talking. Which I have yet to see on another server. There's just many RP servers and one adventure server.

My intention wasn't to insult roleplayers, and there's no need to feel hurt just because I'm not into roleplaying.

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I'd feel safe saying that Valikorlia has the oldest average playerbase on Graal. While you may call what you're doing roleplaying, it really isn't near any level of true roleplaying. Text-based roleplaying is probably the truest form of it.

I have been into text-based roleplaying, and that's quite fun. It's more like reading a book and you get to imagine the atmosphere and how the people look like. Still, I don't play games to roleplay, I play games to rest my head and to not imagine.

And, yeah, you might call us losers. But, a lot of us are actually intelligent, and lead pretty satisfactory lives. Not to mention that I'm probably 150x better than you at anything that involves creativity and strategy.

Where did I call you losers? I have just said that RP'ing in Graal doesn't appeal me. Not in any game. Maybe in MUD's but nothing that already has graphics in it. Stop taking stuff I said out of context. I still haven't insulted you in any way. Saying that you're better than me in creativity is plain stupid since you don't know me. I make music which requires some sort of imagination. You might be right about strategy but that doesn't bother me.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

There's just many RP servers and one adventure server.

What? There's one RP server.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by kia345

What? There's one RP server.

What PoJo said. You seem to also have RP and RPG mixed up.

[Umat]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

What PoJo said. You seem to also have RP and RPG mixed up.

Yeah, sorry about that, but Roleplaying and Roleplaying Games goes hand-in-hand for me. I like RPG's like Final Fantasy or Pokémon like games. But these servers doesn't offer that. Those games have a storyline. Most servers on Graal doesn't which I think is sad.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Umat

Yeah, sorry about that, but Roleplaying and Roleplaying Games goes hand-in-hand for me. I like RPG's like Final Fantasy or Pokémon like games. But these servers doesn't offer that. Those games have a storyline. Most servers on Graal doesn't which I think is sad.

Well yes, I do agree, that to become a successful RP server/game you need the following:

• Gameplay, at least something.
• World lore.

[Umat]

Yes, thank you. I rest my case. This got out of hand. Mainly because of misunderstandings.

[DustyPorViva]

I don't quite know what's going on in this topic but I heard Valikorlia and I heard RP... I think Valikorlia has a ton of potential as a server, but they just don't tap into it. RP and gameplay can mix together... in fact there are TONS of muds out there that do just that. You can't imagine gameplay will destroy RP unless the staff just can't maintain both at the same time... if that's the case don't say you can't have both together, just say Valikorlia can't manage both together.

[DarkReaper0]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Stuff

I really hope one day Valikorlia finds the strength/will to make it's server popular to people from all walks of life.

I used to be an rp nut, but after a while I got tired of having to follow the fad group on their quest to rp at the coolest new spot.

[DrakilorP2P]

Rawr, I'm a werewolf.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I don't quite know what's going on in this topic but I heard Valikorlia and I heard RP... I think Valikorlia has a ton of potential as a server, but they just don't tap into it. RP and gameplay can mix together... in fact there are TONS of muds out there that do just that. You can't imagine gameplay will destroy RP unless the staff just can't maintain both at the same time... if that's the case don't say you can't have both together, just say Valikorlia can't manage both together.

We were working on putting the two together, despite the rants of the traditional roleplayers. What happened is that I got lazy, Inverness got lazy, and the rest of the developers got lazy. Once the manager decided on a 40 day deadline, when we needed another 3-4 months at least, I kind of lost my drive. Why work on something when you know you can't finish it on time? To add to that, the manager wouldn't accept a player's offer to pay for 6 more months on the dev server.

It's not so much that it can't be done. It's just that it's a tall order, and nobody wants to help... even if they're going to get paid for it. Not a single person responded to that ad, where Omake offered to pay people to develop.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

It's not so much that it can't be done. It's just that it's a tall order, and nobody wants to help... even if they're going to get paid for it. Not a single person responded to that ad, where Omake offered to pay people to develop.

Would develop for free if other Valikorlian staff were willing to work and if the players actually want the server to grow. The latter is what's holding development back in my opinion.