Notice to Playerworld Projects Lacking Funding

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Skyld

You've got to be kidding me.

What exactly do you think Cyberjoueurs are going to do with your work? Target your work specifically, steal it and put it into some other project? Sell it?

Don't make it sound like it's such an unlikely possibility.

They stole Zelda graphics, and were still using them for G2k1, which takes care of the "selling" part.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Inverness

I'll help myself to it.
Your parents' lawyer is an it?

You provide Invy with much lulz.

I think he was referring to his content rather than his lawyer.

Crazy people with family lawyers....

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

Don't make it sound like it's such an unlikely possibility.

They stole Zelda graphics, and were still using them for G2k1, which takes care of the "selling" part.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Inverness

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Ever tried being positive about something? z.z

[Tom]

Guess ill be jogging on with my graphics then : o

[Bell]

Listen to yourselves. You all act like its your right to develop on Graal. Nobody is forcing you to use their client, rc, server space or scripting engine to make a game in your personal vision. Next is going to be you saying you pay for that right. But what you pay for is the tools someone else has made for you and rental of a space to use them. You all also act as though your content is something so extra special that Cyberjoueurs will go that extra mile to 'steal' it from you. On the contrary, these rules aren't to protect you against them, they are to protect you against your 'friends' you hire, then get in an argument with who then 'steal' your content.

If those of you with these overexploded egos and ideas feel you can do better on your own and worry that Graal is going to steal your ideas, then why don't you go script your own gaming platform. Design everything from scratch then you can wow the world with your excellence.

[HoudiniMan]

As for legal copyrighting, I don't think I've seen any ideas original enough to copyright in a long time. Good luck trying to sell it privately without stepping on some company's toes out there.

Anyway, this thread is getting out of hand. I made it as a heads up so people don't get blind sided by the policies we follow, which are fairly common sense, but they aren't posted. I also let everybody know we are working on a copy to post and keep up to date for everybody's reference.

I answered relevant questions, but all this discussion about copyrighting is off-topic. If you upload content, then you are trying to make a good server on Graal that others will enjoy and compliment you for, and if you're good enough we'll even host it for free. If you don't like that, don't upload your content, it's as simple as that.

Also, no whining about charging access to the game client and remote control Cyberjoueurs coded - 6.6 cents a day lets you play and be staff on a server and influence the development of your favorite place(s) to play. We charge extra for having your own server space with us which you are in charge of; a whopping 27 cents a day.

The average MMORPG charges $15/month. That's $180 a year for a game you have absolutely no influence on. We charge $24 a year to play and be staff and $99 to make your very own fully customizable world with any items you want and (almost) any rules.

Give me a break. Graal is a way better choice even if it doesn't have 3D graphics. Why can't we all just come together and build something really cool anymore?

[Nabru]

Originally Posted by Bell

Listen to yourselves. You all act like its your right to develop on Graal. Nobody is forcing you to use their client, rc, server space or scripting engine to make a game in your personal vision. Next is going to be you saying you pay for that right. But what you pay for is the tools someone else has made for you and rental of a space to use them. You all also act as though your content is something so extra special that Cyberjoueurs will go that extra mile to 'steal' it from you. On the contrary, these rules aren't to protect you against them, they are to protect you against your 'friends' you hire, then get in an argument with who then 'steal' your content.

If those of you with these overexploded egos and ideas feel you can do better on your own and worry that Graal is going to steal your ideas, then why don't you go script your own gaming platform. Design everything from scratch then you can wow the world with your excellence.

QFMFT.

The majority of you kids wouldn't know where to start if the tools weren't handed to them on a silver platter. You should be grateful Cyberjoueurs is putting these rules in to protect you, not threatening them.

[Spark910]

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Does the old policy Spark posted in 2003 still apply?
In parts, there are places where we have improved policies that haven't been re-written. It's a combination of old policy, new policy, and common sense.

Me!!!

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Also, no whining about charging access to the game client and remote control Cyberjoueurs coded - 6.6 cents a day lets you play and be staff on a server and influence the development of your favorite place(s) to play. We charge extra for having your own server space with us which you are in charge of; a whopping 27 cents a day.

The average MMORPG charges $15/month. That's $180 a year for a game you have absolutely no influence on. We charge $24 a year to play and be staff and $99 to make your very own fully customizable world with any items you want and (almost) any rules.

Give me a break. Graal is a way better choice even if it doesn't have 3D graphics. Why can't we all just come together and build something really cool anymore?

Amen.

I apologize for the things I have said in this thread.

[Pimmeh]

Originally Posted by Bell

If those of you with these overexploded egos and ideas feel you can do better on your own and worry that Graal is going to steal your ideas, then why don't you go script your own gaming platform. Design everything from scratch then you can wow the world with your excellence.

Will do, cap'n!
Pimmeh logging off...

Nah, just kidding.

Hm, some sort of ego is required to make a server.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

Don't make it sound like it's such an unlikely possibility.

They stole Zelda graphics, and were still using them for G2k1, which takes care of the "selling" part.

Late... but anyways.
They didn't steal anything from Zelda. It started out as an online fan-game sort of thing... which is hardly stealing as it was meant to be a clone and they didn't even profit from it. But then when they went to Graal, they redid the graphics. They're structured after Zelda, but they're far from stolen.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Late... but anyways.
They didn't steal anything from Zelda. It started out as an online fan-game sort of thing... which is hardly stealing as it was meant to be a clone and they didn't even profit from it. But then when they went to Graal, they redid the graphics. They're structured after Zelda, but they're far from stolen.

The whole original tileset.... I doubt I could 'clone' and release it freely without getting lawsuit slapped on me. Remember how Nintendo chucked a hissy fit?

[DustyPorViva]

There was nothing wrong with the original Graal tileset, legally. The Zelda one never lived past Zelda Online(if I remember rightly), which was strictly non-profit and no more wrong than any other fan games.
The only reason the original tileset(Graal, not the Zelda one) was changed because they wanted a big 'new' thing for Graal. Hell, many servers still use the original tileset, including Classic.

[napo_p2p]

Originally Posted by Bell

Listen to yourselves. You all act like its your right to develop on Graal. Nobody is forcing you to use their client, rc, server space or scripting engine to make a game in your personal vision. Next is going to be you saying you pay for that right. But what you pay for is the tools someone else has made for you and rental of a space to use them. You all also act as though your content is something so extra special that Cyberjoueurs will go that extra mile to 'steal' it from you. On the contrary, these rules aren't to protect you against them, they are to protect you against your 'friends' you hire, then get in an argument with who then 'steal' your content.

If those of you with these overexploded egos and ideas feel you can do better on your own and worry that Graal is going to steal your ideas, then why don't you go script your own gaming platform. Design everything from scratch then you can wow the world with your excellence.

I couldn't agree more. But, I still think the policies should be clearly stated somewhere. It won't hurt.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Inverness

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I know what I'm talking about.
Try elaborating on your claim or actually backing it up with some evidence.
Or just don't post at all.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

As for legal copyrighting, I don't think I've seen any ideas original enough to copyright in a long time. Good luck trying to sell it privately without stepping on some company's toes out there.

There's originality out there. There's definitely plenty of potential for more, it just takes time for people to discover these ideas. It's VERY possible for someone to make a good original playerworld with plenty of original content. How likely/legal it is for GraalOnline to take the content for their own- I don't know. Whether or not that is fair/legal- I don't know either. But there's definitly plenty of potential for someone to create a whole original playerworld idea that they would have been able to legally market as a private individual game if they had originally programmed it as such. Saying "good luck" to the possibility of being able to produce an original product can be inferred as an insult to the talents of Graal developers.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Anyway, this thread is getting out of hand. I made it as a heads up so people don't get blind sided by the policies we follow, which are fairly common sense, but they aren't posted. I also let everybody know we are working on a copy to post and keep up to date for everybody's reference.

No, it's not getting out of hand. I'm annoyed with seeing discussions closed by staff and moderators simply because players don't agree with things, continue defending their position, and staff simply get tired of defending theirs. If you don't want to argue, make the thread closed from the beginning so there will be no discussion. If you want to stop during the middle of a discussion, state and make note of your final word and final decision, and just let the thread die. But STOP having threads closed, preventing the continuation or recreation of such discussions.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

I answered relevant questions, but all this discussion about copyrighting is off-topic.

It's not off-topic. It's mostly just everyone's response to your initial post.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Why can't we all just come together and build something really cool anymore?

Everyone's too ambitious. They all want to make their own project.
Maybe having a regulated approval-process for getting hosting would be better.

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

They didn't steal anything from Zelda.

Total lie. Compare screenshots. Some of the tiles were never even changed in tileset "changes" some people mentioned. I remember playing SNES Zelda recently and IIRC I found way too many similarities in the Zelda "tileset". FYI, I played Graal before SNES Zelda, so I recognize things I've seen on Graal before seeing them on Zelda. And even aside from that specific game, plenty of concepts/systems were stolen from the general Zelda series (a game where your health is based on half-hearts, you weild a bow and sword most of the time, and have a bomb/arrows/rupee counter at the top.. am I talking about Zelda or Graal?) Whether it's legal or not; there's stolen ideas/concepts there as well as graphics.

[Darlene159]

If there are any questions regarding the initial post, forum PM HoudiniMan.
Questions about copyrights should go through the support center.