Notice to Playerworld Projects Lacking Funding

[Bell]

Listen to yourselves. You all act like its your right to develop on Graal. Nobody is forcing you to use their client, rc, server space or scripting engine to make a game in your personal vision. Next is going to be you saying you pay for that right. But what you pay for is the tools someone else has made for you and rental of a space to use them. You all also act as though your content is something so extra special that Cyberjoueurs will go that extra mile to 'steal' it from you. On the contrary, these rules aren't to protect you against them, they are to protect you against your 'friends' you hire, then get in an argument with who then 'steal' your content.

If those of you with these overexploded egos and ideas feel you can do better on your own and worry that Graal is going to steal your ideas, then why don't you go script your own gaming platform. Design everything from scratch then you can wow the world with your excellence.

[Nabru]

Originally Posted by Bell

Listen to yourselves. You all act like its your right to develop on Graal. Nobody is forcing you to use their client, rc, server space or scripting engine to make a game in your personal vision. Next is going to be you saying you pay for that right. But what you pay for is the tools someone else has made for you and rental of a space to use them. You all also act as though your content is something so extra special that Cyberjoueurs will go that extra mile to 'steal' it from you. On the contrary, these rules aren't to protect you against them, they are to protect you against your 'friends' you hire, then get in an argument with who then 'steal' your content.

If those of you with these overexploded egos and ideas feel you can do better on your own and worry that Graal is going to steal your ideas, then why don't you go script your own gaming platform. Design everything from scratch then you can wow the world with your excellence.

QFMFT.

The majority of you kids wouldn't know where to start if the tools weren't handed to them on a silver platter. You should be grateful Cyberjoueurs is putting these rules in to protect you, not threatening them.

[Pimmeh]

Originally Posted by Bell

If those of you with these overexploded egos and ideas feel you can do better on your own and worry that Graal is going to steal your ideas, then why don't you go script your own gaming platform. Design everything from scratch then you can wow the world with your excellence.

Will do, cap'n!
Pimmeh logging off...

Nah, just kidding.

Hm, some sort of ego is required to make a server.

[napo_p2p]

Originally Posted by Bell

Listen to yourselves. You all act like its your right to develop on Graal. Nobody is forcing you to use their client, rc, server space or scripting engine to make a game in your personal vision. Next is going to be you saying you pay for that right. But what you pay for is the tools someone else has made for you and rental of a space to use them. You all also act as though your content is something so extra special that Cyberjoueurs will go that extra mile to 'steal' it from you. On the contrary, these rules aren't to protect you against them, they are to protect you against your 'friends' you hire, then get in an argument with who then 'steal' your content.

If those of you with these overexploded egos and ideas feel you can do better on your own and worry that Graal is going to steal your ideas, then why don't you go script your own gaming platform. Design everything from scratch then you can wow the world with your excellence.

I couldn't agree more. But, I still think the policies should be clearly stated somewhere. It won't hurt.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Inverness

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I know what I'm talking about.
Try elaborating on your claim or actually backing it up with some evidence.
Or just don't post at all.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

As for legal copyrighting, I don't think I've seen any ideas original enough to copyright in a long time. Good luck trying to sell it privately without stepping on some company's toes out there.

There's originality out there. There's definitely plenty of potential for more, it just takes time for people to discover these ideas. It's VERY possible for someone to make a good original playerworld with plenty of original content. How likely/legal it is for GraalOnline to take the content for their own- I don't know. Whether or not that is fair/legal- I don't know either. But there's definitly plenty of potential for someone to create a whole original playerworld idea that they would have been able to legally market as a private individual game if they had originally programmed it as such. Saying "good luck" to the possibility of being able to produce an original product can be inferred as an insult to the talents of Graal developers.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Anyway, this thread is getting out of hand. I made it as a heads up so people don't get blind sided by the policies we follow, which are fairly common sense, but they aren't posted. I also let everybody know we are working on a copy to post and keep up to date for everybody's reference.

No, it's not getting out of hand. I'm annoyed with seeing discussions closed by staff and moderators simply because players don't agree with things, continue defending their position, and staff simply get tired of defending theirs. If you don't want to argue, make the thread closed from the beginning so there will be no discussion. If you want to stop during the middle of a discussion, state and make note of your final word and final decision, and just let the thread die. But STOP having threads closed, preventing the continuation or recreation of such discussions.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

I answered relevant questions, but all this discussion about copyrighting is off-topic.

It's not off-topic. It's mostly just everyone's response to your initial post.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Why can't we all just come together and build something really cool anymore?

Everyone's too ambitious. They all want to make their own project.
Maybe having a regulated approval-process for getting hosting would be better.

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

They didn't steal anything from Zelda.

Total lie. Compare screenshots. Some of the tiles were never even changed in tileset "changes" some people mentioned. I remember playing SNES Zelda recently and IIRC I found way too many similarities in the Zelda "tileset". FYI, I played Graal before SNES Zelda, so I recognize things I've seen on Graal before seeing them on Zelda. And even aside from that specific game, plenty of concepts/systems were stolen from the general Zelda series (a game where your health is based on half-hearts, you weild a bow and sword most of the time, and have a bomb/arrows/rupee counter at the top.. am I talking about Zelda or Graal?) Whether it's legal or not; there's stolen ideas/concepts there as well as graphics.