Be more friendly to new people

[kia345]

Originally Posted by elite_master

It must not be working properly

*points to people from 2001 continuing their stupidity*

They have full right to, they've been here, and pretty much run the place. Behave and impress them and you'll earn your keep.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Rufus

That's just arrogance, they've been here a while, this is their forum.

Originally Posted by kia345

They have full right to, they've been here, and pretty much run the place. Behave and impress them and you'll earn your keep.

Actually, these forums belong to all members of Graal, both old and new. New members deserve just as much respect as older members. There is no initiation into the forums.

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Actually, these forums belong to all members of Graal, both old and new. New members deserve just as much respect as older members. There is no initiation into the forums.

wait what was the lame fest for zone for then?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

wait what was the lame fest for zone for then?

I believe I have replied on those forums about that behavior, more than once.

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The way it works here, is pretty much as follows.
When a member is new, and posts against the rules, a warning is issued that the member should read the rules. If the member continues, we use the infraction system, which does ban for 7 days if they recieve 3 points within a certain amount of time. Members who recieve quite a few bans from the infraction system, and continue to break the rules, generally recieve longer bans. So, there is such a system in place like you are talking about.

Bull you crank out the infractions first, I have never got a "warning" from you or Sam that didn't come with a infraction. As for the 7 day ban thats another load of bull you banned me for 2 months once for a "personal attack on a user" which if I recall correctly is one infraction point, there is a system in place its just inefficient.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by zim5354

Bull you crank out the infractions first, I have never got a "warning" from you or Sam that didn't come with a infraction. As for the 7 day ban thats another load of bull you banned me for 2 months once for a "personal attack on a user" which if I recall correctly is one infraction point, there is a system in place its just inefficient.

We aren't going to discuss bans or infractions. Anything that is done, there is a good reason for it. Sometimes it is necessary to go outside the infraction system for punishments, given the circumstances.

[Ravenblade1979]

People won't be happy until they can say whatever they want on here. -.-

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Actually, these forums belong to all members of Graal, both old and new. New members deserve just as much respect as older members. There is no initiation into the forums.

I was being sarcastic

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I was being sarcastic

Yea, I figured...but my point still remains.

[elite_master]

Theres a really small amount of people on these forums that I respect at all, I've played graal for a LONG time, just because I never used the forum's doesn't make me a part of the graal community,

I'm just saying, let some newer devs in, let them do what they want.

Sorry guys, it's not the time of eras same graphics after all these years, UN's same levels after all these years, and classics same.. everything.. after all these years.

Change comes, you should welcome these new kids, because there is a very high chance that when you are out of college and have a family (I hope to god you people who have families don't still play graal like nerds do with WoW), that they are going to RULE graal.

Already UN was taken over, Zodiac was taken over immediately, already our private servers are being taken over, it's just a overrun of these new people that you oh-so enjoy bashing upon.

If they choose to make a server, don't go whining about it, unless they ask you to whine about their server, it's their choice, their 60-100$, and their right as a player on graal, wait until their server is hosted to run around and act like 5 year old fat kids in a candy store and whine about their server, or even better: DONT PLAY IT.

While everything you say on Graal is your own opinion, while you may dislike futuristic servers, you'll probably bash places like Zone, or a new futuristic server, and if you like futuristic servers, youll worship Zone.

Sure, people have to read rules before posting, do the WHOLE world a favor, next time someone doesn't read the rules, say the SAME thing the mod's do.
PLEASE READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING ANOTHER THREAD, THANK YOU.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by elite_master

(I hope to god you people who have families don't still play graal like nerds do with WoW

Yea, actually I do.

Sure, people have to read rules before posting, do the WHOLE world a favor, next time someone doesn't read the rules, say the SAME thing the mod's do.
PLEASE READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING ANOTHER THREAD, THANK YOU.

Actually, that should be left up to the moderators.

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by elite_master

UN's same levels after all these years, and classics same.. everything.. after all these years.

Eh?

[elite_master]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Yea, actually I do.

To the point that your children become emo and cut themself because they feel that their only parental figure in life has been eaten away by an online game?

Ouch. I feel bad now.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Actually, that should be left up to the moderators.

Takes time for moderators to get there, wouldn't you rather have players tell them that, then say "yo **** u b4 i OEN u, ur server SUKZ!"?

Originally Posted by Minoc

Eh?

OH sorry, new NPC's

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by elite_master

To the point that your children become emo and cut themself because they feel that their only parental figure in life has been eaten away by an online game?

Ouch. I feel bad now.

See, this is the kind of posts that we are all talking about, including yourself. Why are you insulting someone that you don't even know? Why do you believe that adults with families are not capable of playing games, and take care of their families too? You are acting rediculous, and it isn't appreciated.

Takes time for moderators to get there, wouldn't you rather have players tell them that, then say "yo **** u b4 i OEN u, ur server SUKZ!"?

In most cases, they aren't going to listen to other members. If they are new, and really didn't know, they might listen, but I haven't seen that very often, besides members posting rule breakings totally derail threads.

[Rapidwolve]

Originally Posted by Sam

The topic is relevant for all ages.

IS.
Anyways, how did he get torn up? I don't see it x.x

[kia345]

Originally Posted by elite_master

To the point that your children become emo and cut themself because they feel that their only parental figure in life has been eaten away by an online game?

Ouch. I feel bad now.

There's a difference between a casual gamer and an obssesion that causes you to lash out at everyone and contradict yourself

[elite_master]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

See, this is the kind of posts that we are all talking about, including yourself. Why are you insulting someone that you don't even know? Why do you believe that adults with families are not capable of playing games, and take care of their families too? You are acting rediculous, and it isn't appreciated.

BANG.

That's the icing on the cake.

What did I just do? I just demoralized you over the internet, I made you angry, made you want to come back and say something to me.

WHY?

Because I INSULTED you online.

Maybe now you know what it's like for these kids who are running around "HIRING FOR SERVER", more like when they mean: "Hi, I'm new around here, can someone PLEASE show me how to make a proper hiring thread for a server thats TOTALLY new?"

When you start out in graal, you don't know who to turn to, a global? Nah, they're always "busy". A staff member? Nah, they're "busy" too. A player? Nah, what if he gives me a adult website instead of a help site thinking it's a joke?

Imagine all the new kids that graal forums has lost, thanks to the stupidity of the "reigning champ oldbies"

Oh yeah, you geeks are real big men, stand tall with your 1000 hours.

Originally Posted by kia345

There's a difference between a casual gamer and an obssesion that causes you to lash out at everyone and contradict yourself

Well dur, that's why I used WoW as an example, it's like Pringles.
Once you pop, the fun don't stop.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by elite_master

Well dur, that's why I used WoW as an example, it's like Pringles.
Once you pop, the fun don't stop.

Last I checked, You were the one lashing out at people. All they did was talk down the hiring thread, but every thread like that gets that. No one really insulted anybody, you just got your feelings hurt and let this escalate to something bigger than it really is.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by elite_master

BANG.

Oh, so you insulted me to show me how members feel who come here and get insulted, when I am one of the people who punish these people that constantly insult people on these forums? I'm sorry, I guess I don't see what you are trying to prove here, because I KNOW that people insult others too much on these forums.

[Infernix]

I say thats nothin but a welcome dose of reality. The society beyond graal gets 10x worse than that.

I saw his thread and didnt even bother posting because I already knew me telling him that he would be a completely failure wouldn't help him succeed at all.

[elite_master]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Oh, so you insulted me to show me how members feel who come here and get insulted, when I am one of the people who punish these people that constantly insult people on these forums? I'm sorry, I guess I don't see what you are trying to prove here, because I KNOW that people insult others too much on these forums.

Well if you know so much, then why did poor old Jigga have to buy another account and start over on his graal life ;( I actually feel sorry for him now,

why is there constant "mature" human beings acting like special ed kids wherever I go?

I see better behavior on freaking UN then on these forums, and the UN kids aren't even old enough to be playing graal.

If you really are doing something about this, and MAYBE somehow you are, and they're just doing all of it under your nose, stuff like that happens.

I'll drop it now, before this Kia kid believes I'm an emo ;(

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Infernix

I say thats nothin but a welcome dose of reality. The society beyond graal gets 10x worse than that.

I saw his thread and didnt even bother posting because I already knew me telling him that he would be a completely failure wouldn't help him succeed at all.

Why not give someone constructive pointers to help them succeed? That is what Graal is seriously lacking.
More people might succeed, if more people would bother trying to help, or just say nothing if they have nothing constructive to say, instead of jumping all over them.
Not everyone will succeed of course, but more people might, and maybe not so many people will give up because, who wants to do anything for a community who is negative.

[elite_master]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Why not give someone constructive pointers to help them succeed? That is what Graal is seriously lacking.
More people might succeed, if more people would bother trying to help, or just say nothing if they have nothing constructive to say, instead of jumping all over them.
Not everyone will succeed of course, but more people might, and maybe not so many people will give up because, who wants to do anything for a community who is negative.

Then again, who wants to do anything for a community that is full of these old kids who stick together and say "hey, we oldbies. WE like gang. WE own place ya? ok shut up let us talk"

I don't see any oldbies getting permanently banned, if they've played since 2001, do you really think a 7 day ban will get into their heads?

Not really.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by elite_master

Well if you know so much, then why did poor old Jigga have to buy another account and start over on his graal life ;( I actually feel sorry for him now,

why is there constant "mature" human beings acting like special ed kids wherever I go?

I see better behavior on freaking UN then on these forums, and the UN kids aren't even old enough to be playing graal.

If you really are doing something about this, and MAYBE somehow you are, and they're just doing all of it under your nose, stuff like that happens.

I'll drop it now, before this Kia kid believes I'm an emo ;(

I am constantly doing something about it, as well as Sam, but some will continue, and you will never be able to get rid of it. All we can do is keep inforcing the rules, and keep it at a minimum. If we weren't doing something about it, these forums would be so much worse, trust me.
It is up to the people in the community to change in this area. It is the only way it will get better.

Originally Posted by elite_master

Then again, who wants to do anything for a community that is full of these old kids who stick together and say "hey, we oldbies. WE like gang. WE own place ya? ok shut up let us talk"

I don't see any oldbies getting permanently banned, if they've played since 2001, do you really think a 7 day ban will get into their heads?

Not really.

You don't see everything, and like I said, banning is a last result.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by elite_master

Well if you know so much, then why did poor old Jigga have to buy another account and start over on his graal life ;( I actually feel sorry for him now,

He couldn't handle the heat, when all people were doing were pointing out his flaws. He dragged it out and tried to make a big deal about it. If he'd have let it go, he might been in this conversation insulting you right now.

why is there constant "mature" human beings acting like special ed kids wherever I go?

I see better behavior on freaking UN then on these forums, and the UN kids aren't even old enough to be playing graal.

That's why this has got where it's at, you keep insulting people here and give them a reason to hate you, then complain they stick up for themselves

If you really are doing something about this, and MAYBE somehow you are, and they're just doing all of it under your nose, stuff like that happens.

Go through some threads, I'm sure 75% will have been editted by mods in some way, do to flaming or other infrations. You're not the only one who has problems, nor are you the only one who flips out

I'll drop it now, before this Kia kid believes I'm an emo ;(

I don't think you're emo, because even 'emo' kids have some respect.
I just think you're an idiot.

I'll drop it now

I highly doubt it.

Originally Posted by elite_master

I don't see any oldbies getting permanently banned.

Velox

[elite_master]

Originally Posted by kia345

He couldn't handle the heat, when all people were doing were pointing out his flaws. He dragged it out and tried to make a big deal about it. If he'd have let it go, he might been in this conversation insulting you right now.

Oh that sucks. Poor kid, you geeks ran him off these forums.. Battle of the smartest or the kid with the least flaws I guess ;(

Originally Posted by kia345

That's why this has got where it's at, you keep insulting people here and give them a reason to hate you, then complain they stick up for themselves

Really? I'd love to see you show me where I'm insulting people who didn't start something with me, or insult someone else in the first place

Originally Posted by kia345

Go through some threads, I'm sure 75% will have been editted by mods in some way, do to flaming or other infrations. You're not the only one who has problems, nor are you the only one who flips out

Dun. and over 25% of them was only spam and stuff, last time I was here it took a moderator a day to give me a swearing infraction. Cool.

Originally Posted by kia345

I don't think you're emo, because even 'emo' kids have some respect.
I just think you're an idiot.

Touche.

Originally Posted by kia345

I highly doubt it.

Thanks a lot idiot, now you dragged me back into it.

Originally Posted by kia345

Velox

Well, destroying Era is a good enough reason to be a laughat for the rest of your life.

[Darlene159]

Sigh....it does no good to insult those who insult others. It's all the same in the end, just needles insults that destroy a community driven forum.

[elite_master]

Community driven? Now that's quite a load of monkey turd ;(

The only thing this community does is enjoy fighting with one another over who's the oldest, the best, or the one who deserves the win in the topic

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by elite_master

Community driven? Now that's quite a load of monkey turd ;(

The only thing this community does is enjoy fighting with one another over who's the oldest, the best, or the one who deserves the win in the topic

The entire community does not think that way, but a lot do.
Your posts are not showing you to be any different.
Like I said before, insults are insults, whether it be insulting new members, or old.

Look, the members of Graal, for a large part, are very competitive. This creates a lot of insults, arguing, etc...
Should it be this way? No, but there is little we can do besides keep inforcing the rules, and hope some will stop.

[PrinceDark]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Why not give someone constructive pointers to help them succeed? That is what Graal is seriously lacking.
More people might succeed, if more people would bother trying to help, or just say nothing if they have nothing constructive to say, instead of jumping all over them.
Not everyone will succeed of course, but more people might, and maybe not so many people will give up because, who wants to do anything for a community who is negative.

Man ... all ya need to chill. Nothing wrong with the treatment of that thread or its responses. Dude just need to be more strategical. His server will die anyways.

[oinknessx]

Oh, man... Spark910... MoonGoddess... Good to see you guys again! Yeah, this is the first thread I check out now that I'm finally back. Welcome to Graal, rot in hell... good to be back.

[Inverness]

When I looked at that person's post in the url, I thought it was Jigga.

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by elite_master

OH sorry, new NPC's

The server isn't even similar to what it was before 2005.

[killerogue]

Originally Posted by Draenin

I'm very surprised Stan acted that way. Elk and Zoke aren't that surprising, though.

What'd I do?

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by killerogue

What'd I do?

From what I can see, you were simply stating a fact. Though you did nothing to soften the blow, it was rather blunt.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Look, the members of Graal, for a large part, are very competitive. This creates a lot of insults, arguing, etc...
Should it be this way? No, but there is little we can do besides keep inforcing the rules, and hope some will stop.

Origonal Quote which interested me.

Should graalians arugue and fight and insult one another? YES.

Why? Because without that, this game wouldnt be worth what you have to pay for it, over half the novelty is logging on and pissing some random people off because they cant stand their 2d avatar being talked down to.

Maybe the colors are wrong, the hat is ugly, they look all dark and emo, they suck at events, they suck period. They have 5000 hours, they cant pk worth a damn, who cares.

Telling people how bad they suck and watching them flip out like your opinion is the only one that matters even though they say it dosent is awesome

I love it.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by oinknessx

Oh, man... Spark910... MoonGoddess... Good to see you guys again! Yeah, this is the first thread I check out now that I'm finally back. Welcome to Graal, rot in hell... good to be back.

Hi there.

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Origonal Quote which interested me.

Should graalians arugue and fight and insult one another? YES.

Why? Because without that, this game wouldnt be worth what you have to pay for it, over half the novelty is logging on and pissing some random people off because they cant stand their 2d avatar being talked down to.

Maybe the colors are wrong, the hat is ugly, they look all dark and emo, they suck at events, they suck period. They have 5000 hours, they cant pk worth a damn, who cares.

Telling people how bad they suck and watching them flip out like your opinion is the only one that matters even though they say it dosent is awesome

I love it.

I am talking about the forums. New people should be able to come here for help, advice, constructive critisism, but they can't do that without getting talked down to, and attacked.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Origonal Quote which interested me.

Should graalians arugue and fight and insult one another? YES.

Why? Because without that, this game wouldnt be worth what you have to pay for it, over half the novelty is logging on and pissing some random people off because they cant stand their 2d avatar being talked down to.

Maybe the colors are wrong, the hat is ugly, they look all dark and emo, they suck at events, they suck period. They have 5000 hours, they cant pk worth a damn, who cares.

Telling people how bad they suck and watching them flip out like your opinion is the only one that matters even though they say it dosent is awesome

I love it.

That isn't the intention of the game though and is certainly not why I or many many other people play it. I'm sorry that you have such aggressive tendencies, but in all honesty, people I see doing what you say you do just cause the first thought in my mind to be one of a child (around the age of say 12 or so) who knows nothing of life, the world or how to co-exist in it. What is this called? Immaturity, my friend.

Now don't take me the wrong way, I'm not trying to insult you but I'm rather trying to point out that me (and I'm sure many other people) don't play Graal for what you call fun and that such behaviour should really be looked down upon by the entire Graal public.

Sure you can act that way, but it doesn't (or shouldn't) warrant any kind of respect from other mature individuals.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Draenin

I'm very surprised Stan acted that way. Elk and Zoke aren't that surprising, though.

I've seen 20 other times he acted like that....

Anyways i dont really think that guy should of got a straight out closed thread but rather be warned to include more specific information on the playerworld.

Originally Posted by elite_master

Well if you know so much, then why did poor old Jigga have to buy another account and start over on his graal life ;( I actually feel sorry for him now,

LOL He put himself into that situation. You should look back on threads by him.

Also btw, half the server on Un is older than 13. Well at least half the p2ps

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

LOL He put himself into that situation. You should look back on threads by him.

And what did he do to put himself in that situation when he made a new account?