Be more friendly to new people

Spark910 · #1 04-22-2007, 02:24 PM

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=73610

What the heck? A new users, 2 posts, and he gets absolutely torn apart for posting on the forum? Sure he hasn't read the rules or followed them, but still, should we not be more welcoming/constructive to new users?

And then closing it with the line it was closed with came across rather aggressive. Welcome to Graal.

pooper200000 · #2 04-22-2007, 02:34 PM

A bit unorthodox.

zokemon · #3 04-22-2007, 02:46 PM

I really didn't even bother to look at his post count. I merely was trying to express to him that no one would want to join his server if he did not advertise well.

Sam · #4 04-22-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=73610

What the heck? A new users, 2 posts, and he gets absolutely torn apart for posting on the forum? Sure he hasn't read the rules or followed them, but still, should we not be more welcoming/constructive to new users?

And then closing it with the line it was closed with came across rather aggressive. Welcome to Graal.

Sure he is new on the forums, that doesn't matters he also have to follow the rules and he agreed to do so by accepting the agreement form for the forums. Just a new member should know it as best, because he just now had read the rules (or affirmed at last he had).
If someone is new in a community he should say: Hi here I am, I am new is there anything I need to know? That's my opinion how it works.
(Moved the thread, there's no reason why it should be in the lounge)

zokemon · #5 04-22-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

(Moved the thread, there's no reason why it should be in the lounge)

Because it's a topic intended for the more "mature" audiences of the forums which the lounge is created just for

Sam · #6 04-22-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

Because it's a topic intended for the more "mature" audiences of the forums which the lounge is created just for

I don't see why this is a more mature topic, sorry.

pooper200000 · #7 04-22-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I don't see why this is a more mature topic, sorry.

because it discusses the maturity of the members?

Sam · #8 04-22-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pooper200000

because it discusses the maturity of the members?

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Originally Posted by Details about gaining access to the private forum inside.

...where topics that may not be as suitable for those under the age of 14 can be discussed...

The topic is relevant for all ages.

kia345 · #9 04-22-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=73610

What the heck? A new users, 2 posts, and he gets absolutely torn apart for posting on the forum? Sure he hasn't read the rules or followed them, but still, should we not be more welcoming/constructive to new users?

And then closing it with the line it was closed with came across rather aggressive. Welcome to Graal.

He's not one of those guys who deserves a good welcome, he has a 'history'

MisterMastermind · #10 04-22-2007, 04:50 PM

I didn't see much tearing apart of him compared to what I've seen of others. The only one I saw being truly agressive was elk, but I've yet to check if what he stated was valid.

Darlene159 · #11 04-22-2007, 05:05 PM

Unfortunately, some members of the community are harsh with new members. The thread you speak of is quite tame compared to a lot of threads I have seen.
I do not see anything aggressive in what Sam said.
There is really no excuse for not knowing the rules of a forum before you post.
There have been much worse threads of the community "tearing a member apart".
I have complained about this many times before.

1) The community needs to be a little more understanding and helpful to new members.

2) New (and old) members should familiarize themselves with the rules of the forum befrore they post.

Darklux · #12 04-27-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Unfortunately, some members of the community are harsh with new members. The thread you speak of is quite tame compared to a lot of threads I have seen.
I do not see anything aggressive in what Sam said.
There is really no excuse for not knowing the rules of a forum before you post.
There have been much worse threads of the community "tearing a member apart".
I have complained about this many times before.

1) The community needs to be a little more understanding and helpful to new members.

2) New (and old) members should familiarize themselves with the rules of the forum befrore they post.

Darlene, you cant expect of a young child to run a marathon too.
Most people don't read rules, thery just open the page once, say "aha fine..." close the browsertab and are happy with it.

Its frustrating for a new member - and graalonline needs new members - if a critic is harsh like this for no reason. Theres a nice way to tell your criticism, without ripping the new person apart.

My example:

"Hello xxx!

Its nice that you are interested in hosting a Server on this nice game, but you have to follow certain rules which are xxx and xxx.
If you follow these rules iam sure that your chances improve to get nice people for your server."

But not:

"Omg follow rules, you criminal! Closed! Never try writing here again!"

Do you really expect a member to stay in the community if you behave like this? I wouldn't expect it.

- Lux

Darlene159 · #13 04-27-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Darklux

Most people don't read rules, thery just open the page once, say "aha fine..." close the browsertab and are happy with it.

I know what most people do, and there is no excuse for it.

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My example:

"Hello xxx!

Its nice that you are interested in hosting a Server on this nice game, but you have to follow certain rules which are xxx and xxx.
If you follow these rules iam sure that your chances improve to get nice people for your server."

But not:

"Omg follow rules, you criminal! Closed! Never try writing here again!"

Do you really expect a member to stay in the community if you behave like this? I wouldn't expect it.

- Lux

I haven't seen any moderator act like this. I have always seen them closing the thread, and asking them to read the rules. I haven't seen any moderator being rude about it as you have stated there. That example is something I have seen quite frequently from members, not moderators.
I am assuming you are talking about moderators here, since you said "closed", and the only people who can close threads are moderators.

Ravenblade1979 · #14 04-22-2007, 05:13 PM

I was reading that topic...didn't seem agressive at all.

Skyld · #15 04-22-2007, 05:19 PM

Really, it needs to work both ways. People need to respect new members, but new members need to familiarise themselves with how the forums work.

If anything, really there just needs to be some bigger sort of notice to tell people about the rules when they sign up for the forums.

Darlene159 · #16 04-22-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

Really, it needs to work both ways. People need to respect new members, but new members need to familiarise themselves with how the forums work.

If anything, really there just needs to be some bigger sort of notice to tell people about the rules when they sign up for the forums.

I agree. Not sure how it works, but I think new memebers need to check a box when they first sign up, saying they have read and agree to the rules. The box should have a link to the rules.
You would think it would be simple, as the rules link is right there on the main forum, and is not hard to find.

Gambet · #17 04-22-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

I agree. Not sure how it works, but I think new memebers need to check a box when they first sign up, saying they have read and agree to the rules. The box should have a link to the rules.
You would think it would be simple, as the rules link is right there on the main forum, and is not hard to find.

I don't believe the forum rules contain anything about how to make a hiring thread. Such a rules thread was created by Ben and posted in a sticky in the playerworld forum, thus it's not a part of the rules that you agree to follow when you sign up. Of course, these rules are handled by the moderators of the section.

Darlene159 · #18 04-22-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

I don't believe the forum rules contain anything about how to make a hiring thread. Such a rules thread was created by Ben and posted in a sticky in the playerworld forum, thus it's not a part of the rules that you agree to follow when you sign up. Of course, these rules are handled by the moderators of the section.

This is true. Maybe there should be a note in the main rules for members to be sure to check for more specific rules in sub-forums, such as the hiring forum, scripting forum, etc...

Regardless of that fact, the members should be more understanding when replying. The mods generally take care of it appropriately.

Chris · #19 04-22-2007, 06:29 PM

That is an alternate account.

Draenin · #20 04-22-2007, 05:28 PM

I'm very surprised Stan acted that way. Elk and Zoke aren't that surprising, though.

killerogue · #21 04-23-2007, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

I'm very surprised Stan acted that way. Elk and Zoke aren't that surprising, though.

What'd I do?

Inverness · #22 04-23-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

What'd I do?

From what I can see, you were simply stating a fact. Though you did nothing to soften the blow, it was rather blunt.

MysticX2X · #23 04-23-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

I'm very surprised Stan acted that way. Elk and Zoke aren't that surprising, though.

I've seen 20 other times he acted like that....

Anyways i dont really think that guy should of got a straight out closed thread but rather be warned to include more specific information on the playerworld.

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Originally Posted by elite_master

Well if you know so much, then why did poor old Jigga have to buy another account and start over on his graal life ;( I actually feel sorry for him now,

LOL He put himself into that situation. You should look back on threads by him.

Also btw, half the server on Un is older than 13. Well at least half the p2ps

DustyPorViva · #24 04-23-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X

LOL He put himself into that situation. You should look back on threads by him.

And what did he do to put himself in that situation when he made a new account?

MysticX2X · #25 04-23-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

And what did he do to put himself in that situation when he made a new account?

Well as far as this goes, clumptytail isnt jigga according to clumptytail. And he did it because he had such a bad reputatin for his constant server ideas that always fail.

Darlene159 · #26 04-23-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X

LOL He put himself into that situation. You should look back on threads by him.

He was new to the forums, and he didn't post the way some of the community thought he should, and therefore run off, and made to feel that he had to make another account and try again. This should not be done, and members should not be made to feel this way.

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

And what did he do to put himself in that situation when he made a new account?

As I said above. The worst part of someone trying to start fresh when they are getting attacked is that staff with RC will tell the whole community that they checked IP's. This is totally wrong, and an invasion of privacy. I am trying to put a stop to this.

Ravenblade1979 · #27 04-23-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

He was new to the forums, and he didn't post the way some of the community thought he should, and therefore run off, and made to feel that he had to make another account and try again. This should not be done, and members should not be made to feel this way.

I talked to him on GK..he really didn't seem to care. I should have mentioned when i steered him towards the forum to look for people to help where he should have went. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

As I said above. The worst part of someone trying to start fresh when they are getting attacked is that staff with RC will tell the whole community that they checked IP's. This is totally wrong, and an invasion of privacy. I am trying to put a stop to this.

Weird that is wrong.

Ravenblade1979 · #28 04-22-2007, 05:37 PM

Hmm well most members will just check the box without reading any rules. thats quite common all over....Darlene i want to steal that saying of yours..lol.

Darlene159 · #29 04-22-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Hmm well most members will just check the box without reading any rules. thats quite common all over....

That is true, but they can't use the excuse that they don't know where they are, or didn't know there were rules.

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Darlene i want to steal that saying of yours..lol.

elite_master · #30 04-22-2007, 06:22 PM

I really hate how some of these people try and piss off their fellow forum-goers, most of these kids are washed up hasbeens trying to tell other people how to run their server.

That's just mean.

Darlene159 · #31 04-22-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_master

I really hate how some of these people try and piss off their fellow forum-goers, most of these kids are washed up hasbeens trying to tell other people how to run their server.

That's just mean.

This post is no better then the posters you are taliking about, though. It works both ways.

elite_master · #32 04-22-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

This post is no better then the posters you are taliking about, though. It works both ways.

Basically they are trying to express EXACTLY this:

HEY LOOK AT ME! I OLDER THEN YOU FORUM WISE! I CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I USED TO WORK ON A SERVER THAT WAS SOMETHING BIG! Now I waste my time on the forums bashing your servers, 'cause I have no life!

It's theoretically proven. :-)

Plus, if the big bad moderators won't stand up to the has-beens, who will?

Darlene159 · #33 04-22-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_master

Basically they are trying to express EXACTLY this:

HEY LOOK AT ME! I OLDER THEN YOU FORUM WISE! I CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I USED TO WORK ON A SERVER THAT WAS SOMETHING BIG! Now I waste my time on the forums bashing your servers, 'cause I have no life!

It's theoretically proven. :-)

Plus, if the big bad moderators won't stand up to the has-beens, who will?

Again, how is this post any different then the ones you are talking about? Bashing members, is bashing members, no matter what side you are on. It simply should not be done. The forums should be a place that the community can come to in order to recieve help on issues, and recieve constructive advice/critisism, but, on the other hand, members should be sure that they read the rules, and post accordingly.
Bashing members is, and always has been, against the rules on this forum, but it has also, always been a big problem on these forums.

elite_master · #34 04-22-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick Swayze

I think it's time we clean this place up.

I think you guys should pull a road house on these forums.

DustyPorViva · #35 04-22-2007, 06:51 PM

Graal has never been that welcoming to newcomers, since... ever. I don't see what the big surprise is, though I'd love to see this changed. I've played a couple other MMORPG's and the likes, all free ones, and most were quite welcoming and helpful.

I think at least a link to the rules could be posted, or a PM sent explaining things. Though, this guy did just come on a hosted world just yesterday with the name Jailed, asking if I was hiring. But either way.

elite_master · #36 04-22-2007, 06:55 PM

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*end tutoral island*
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That's a good welcome committee.

Rufus · #37 04-22-2007, 07:16 PM

The rules are ideally there to prevent this from happening, but like some other people have stated they need to be stated more.

I'm not sure closing threads like this is a good idea, I mean, they could always elaborate after their initial first try. Things that put me off when joining a new forum are my threads being closed, it's like, "Okay, my thread has been closed for a trivial reason, why am I even bothering?" but at the same time, they're being closed to encourage a change in the users' future post(s), but it can really go the other way.

There is an option in VBulletin to send an introduction post to new users who join the forum, you can put anything into there. I believe this feature could be put to use, with a friendly welcome message, as well as explaining how things work here, while remaining friendly and welcoming. The FAQ section could also be put to more use, with regular questions and scenarios that crop up, such as "I would like to advertise my Playerworld to recruit some staff, what should I do?" "The Playerworld Staff Openings forum is perfect for users who have worlds they need help on, blah blah blah.."

As for the attitudes of some users towards others, especially new people, well I had a problem against this for a long time. It seems people are ignorant to people to fit in, argue to fit in and it seems to have become a sort of vicious cycle. I'm not sure how you could change that, although I do believe that this is the reasoning behind some of the forum rules that have been put into place and I appreciate that.

Darlene159 · #38 04-22-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_master

I think you guys should pull a road house on these forums.

There is no such thing as a perfect forum, or a perfect community.

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Originally Posted by Rufus

I'm not sure closing threads like this is a good idea, I mean, they could always elaborate after their initial first try. Things that put me off when joining a new forum are my threads being closed, it's like, "Okay, my thread has been closed for a trivial reason, why am I even bothering?" but at the same time, they're being closed to encourage a change in the users' future post(s), but it can really go the other way.

Threads such as in the hiring forum are closed with a message for them to read the rules, and then to try again. Generally, they are not punished unless it is done more than once by the same person. I don't see why they would get upset as long as it wasn't done in a rude way.

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There is an option in VBulletin to send an introduction post to new users who join the forum, you can put anything into there. I believe this feature could be put to use, with a friendly welcome message, as well as explaining how things work here, while remaining friendly and welcoming. The FAQ section could also be put to more use, with regular questions and scenarios that crop up, such as "I would like to advertise my Playerworld to recruit some staff, what should I do?" "The Playerworld Staff Openings forum is perfect for users who have worlds they need help on, blah blah blah.."

I fully agree with this.

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although I do believe that this is the reasoning behind some of the forum rules that have been put into place and I appreciate that.

Correct. I believe different forums have to adapt rules judged by the community it has. Obviously, if certain issues become an ongoing problem, rules need to be put in place to try to combat it.

elite_master · #39 04-22-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

There is no such thing as a perfect forum, or a perfect community.

Yet there's still the ability of the ban button at your disposal.

Ravenblade1979 · #40 04-22-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_master

Yet there's still the ability of the ban button at your disposal.

Yeah but they have to trust that people will be smart enough not to be harsh to each other. This person simply posted in the wrong place. I can lead him to the right place if he's serious.