Merry Christmas & Newsletter

[jkool666]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I have seen much worse English.

Oh you only say that because you read the Zone Forums ...

I loved those 4 videos for Graal 3D. As mentioned, very N64 Zelda'ish. The characters remind me of those, creatures -_-, from Animal Crossing.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Hmm, I thought it was a very nice thought (the e-card). I actually didn't see anything hilarious about it, but that's just me....
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Yea, it was a nice thought - and it was very well done as far as graphics go. However, the English wasn't that great, and it made for some fairly hilarious stuff.

[konidias]

The bad English was all a scheme to distract you from making comments about what the newsletter showed for Graal's future.

j/k... or not.

[Sam]

I am amused how intolerant some people are. They majority of them do not speak a second language and when I see all the spelling mistakes they're doing in their native tongue I am aghast.

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Por que tu queres su trabajo.
But si everysomeone speaked badly. The bad would look game.

If you own a game, with most of it's customers being english speakers, and you release something to them, it should be in proper english/french/german, w/e.
It's professionalism.
Not difficult.
If a few people will be turned off, it's not worth it.
How hard is it to have someone who speaks english natively to do it?
I understand English isn't easy: so have someone who knows it well do it.
Once more: a little effort goes a long way.

I can see where some of Unixmad's mistakes come from because I study French. Unless he immersed himself in an English-speaking country and spoke nothing but English for a few years, he won't be perfect with it and you should understand that. The message is understandable, therefore it's purpose is fulfilled. Sam is right in what he says, that people who can't string together coherent text and speech in their native language are not in a position to speak. Hell, I can't understand some of your posts because they are so scattered and unstructured.

If you spoke to him in French, he would no doubt be very professional. However, it is difficult to carry that over into a second language. People learn things differently, so the least you can do is respect that he is trying.

[James205]

Originally Posted by Skyld

I can see where some of Unixmad's mistakes come from because I study French. Unless he immersed himself in an English-speaking country and spoke nothing but English for a few years, he won't be perfect with it and you should understand that. The message is understandable, therefore it's purpose is fulfilled. Sam is right in what he says, that people who can't string together coherent text and speech in their native language are not in a position to speak. Hell, I can't understand some of your posts because they are so scattered and unstructured.

If you spoke to him in French, he would no doubt be very professional. However, it is difficult to carry that over into a second language. People learn things differently, so the least you can do is respect that he is trying.

I understand what you're saying, but there are many players who would be willing to proof read it. It's not insulting anything, it just looks more professional.

I think that's basically it.

Anyway, things are looking good so far.

[Spark910]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

How hard is it to have someone who speaks english natively to do it?

Not very, I guess! I used to review/write them to some improved standard

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Sam

I am amused how intolerant some people are. They majority of them do not speak a second language and when I see all the spelling mistakes they're doing in their native tongue I am aghast.

I don't think they care about the spelling as much because they believe people can interpret their speech and typos. Anywhoo I like a lot of the stuff in the christmas letter its a lot of fun ,the stuff that was added.

psst! This is what happens to all the zone threads!!

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Sam

I am amused how intolerant some people are. They majority of them do not speak a second language and when I see all the spelling mistakes they're doing in their native tongue I am aghast.

We're not running a business either, bud. And I'm not asking anyone to be perfect here, it takes decades to master a second language. However, when there are many people that could be turned to, it would be very simple to fix.

[amonrabr]

Im feeling really bad reading this post. I was thinking in not post here, but I see you people didnt change the focus, so its hard to not post something.

Well actually Unixmad wrote the newsletter text, that looks be perfect.

I wrote the card text, thats wrong, how you know, so Its totally my fault.

Im not a cyberjoueurs member, I just helped making the layout and the card some hours before you people received it. Unixmad said to me find someone to help me with those texts, and I tryed to contact Moonie on Icq, but no answer. Then I asked Other-Graal-Person help, that told me one of this wrong phrases (that mykel told me by pm) was right, but its not his fault, since he looked be busy when I asked.

So it is difficult to read you people talking about unprofessionalism to the wrong person. Since it was my fault, not cyberjoueurs. Not a excuse, but english is my third language, and actually I never speak english with someone, just with graal people sometimes, and some internet communities.

thank you.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by amonrabr

Im feeling really bad reading this post. I was thinking in not post here, but I see you people didnt change the focus, so its hard to not post something.

Well actually Unixmad wrote the newsletter text, that looks be perfect.

I wrote the card text, thats wrong, how you know, so Its totally my fault.

Im not a cyberjoueurs member, I just helped making the layout and the card some hours before you people received it. Unixmad said to me find someone to help me with those texts, and I tryed to contact Moonie on Icq, but no answer. Then I asked Other-Graal-Person help, that told me one of this wrong phrases (that mykel told me by pm) was right, but its not his fault, since he looked be busy when I asked.

So it is difficult to read you people talking about unprofessionalism to the wrong person. Since it was my fault, not cyberjoueurs. Not a excuse, but english is my third language, and actually I never speak english with someone, just with graal people sometimes, and some internet communities.

thank you.

No problem bud, thanks for clearing it up. Oh, and if you ever need help again, feel free to PM.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by amonrabr

I tryed to contact Moonie on Icq, but no answer.

I'm sorry. I never got a message from you. You aren't on my ICQ buddy list.
Unless you are the one who tried to get me to add that said "But I need your help".
If so, I am sorry, I didn't know who you were.

Anyway, the English on the e-card was not bad at all. Very minor, and was very nice.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I'm sorry. I never got a message from you. You aren't on my ICQ buddy list.
Unless you are the one who tried to get me to add that said "But I need your help".
If so, I am sorry, I didn't know who you were.

Anyway, the English on the e-card was not bad at all. Very minor, and was very nice.

There were only 3 lines on the e-card and 2 of them had errors.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Sam

I am amused how intolerant some people are. They majority of them do not speak a second language and when I see all the spelling mistakes they're doing in their native tongue I am aghast.

I don't care if he can't speak or write English well. I know it's not an easy language.
But he could have asked ANY of us for help, and we would have been very happy to.
It would have made the news letter look more professional.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Mykel

There were only 3 lines on the e-card and 2 of them had errors.

I don't care. I look at the thought behind it.
I would prefer not discussing this for 10 pages.