Merry Christmas & Newsletter - Page 2

UberModeKappa · #41 12-25-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by _Z3phyr_

LATing in Graal3d is going to -suck-

If it's anything like the torque engine, it will be a blasty blast.

I'm soo excited for Graal 3D!!!!!!!!

Tyhm · #42 12-25-2006, 10:12 PM

I heard tell there's a fixed camera mode...puts me in a mind of Kirby 64...

Crono · #43 12-25-2006, 11:01 PM

reminds me of zelda ocarina of time too (forgot to include that in my other post here xD)

Triple_Darkness · #44 12-25-2006, 11:02 PM

Will Graal3D be for Gold Members to? or just Gold+Vip?yah i know its nub question

Infernix · #45 12-25-2006, 11:16 PM

....I guess maybe Id come back to graal and actually pay and take a venture into 3d level design....which still isnt playing graal...so Id kinda be sad going backt o what I did before. Work and no play =(.

UberModeKappa · #46 12-26-2006, 12:40 AM

I have had money saved up to rent a 3d server. I hope Stefan allows developers the ability to work on a server before Graal3d Dungeon comes out.

I'm definitely reminded of ocarina of time but with better graphics and more mobility. I'm so ready for making a modern server or a space server.

Devil · #47 12-28-2006, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

I disagree. It gives the Unixmad personal touch to it.

This is exactly why you'll never run a successful business.

Mykel · #48 12-28-2006, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil

This is exactly why you'll never run a successful business.

LOL UNPROFESSIONALISM IS HILARIOUS

Skyld · #49 12-28-2006, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

I still suck at GS2 and now it looks like Graal 3D is well and truly on it's way...i hope the language used in Graal 3D just expands on GS2 but i doubt it =p

That looks like fun though. I'd be happy playing in that dungeon in a friendly team environment

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Graal3D scripting is just GScript2 with extra 3D functions (i.e. move3d()) and classes.

Spark910 · #50 12-28-2006, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil

This is exactly why you'll never run a successful business.

A game companies ability to write English correctly isn't necessarily at the top of my list for 'must haves' when looking to buy a game. Sure, you don't want too many issues, and Graal for the most part in-game (including the 'official' servers) has understandable/okay English!

If I want to buy a house or something as important from unixmad I'd want perfect English, but I'm not so bothered for a 2D game!

excaliber7388 · #51 12-28-2006, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

A game companies ability to write English correctly isn't necessarily at the top of my list for 'must haves' when looking to buy a game. Sure, you don't want too many issues, and Graal for the most part in-game (including the 'official' servers) has understandable/okay English!

If I want to buy a house or something as important from unixmad I'd want perfect English, but I'm not so bothered for a 2D game!

But it does say something to some people.
You're turning some of your customers off, as opposed to correct English, which wouldn't.

Darlene159 · #52 12-28-2006, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil

This is exactly why you'll never run a successful business.

Good thing I'm not interested in starting my own business then, huh?

I don't mind working for someone.

You guys are acting like the English is horrible or something, when it is not.

Stephen · #53 12-28-2006, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

You guys are acting like the English is horrible or something, when it is not.

No, but it's bad enough to be absolutely hilarious.

Darlene159 · #54 12-28-2006, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

No, but it's bad enough to be absolutely hilarious.

Hmm, I thought it was a very nice thought (the e-card). I actually didn't see anything hilarious about it, but that's just me....

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

But it does say something to some people.
You're turning some of your customers off, as opposed to correct English, which wouldn't.

I have seen much worse English. Never bothered me because I was able to understand that the owner of the game/product was not from the US, and didn't have perfect English. Didn't put me off at all. I can see past it, and concentrate on the product.

Devil · #55 12-28-2006, 03:25 AM

It is practically simple English.

I just find it very unprofessional, and if I was new to the game, or a prospective first time upgrader, I would be totally put off.

He could have atleast put it past someone who knew English better than he did.

Darlene159 · #56 12-28-2006, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil

It is practically simple English.

I just find it very unprofessional, and if I was new to the game, or a prospective first time upgrader, I would be totally put off.

He could have atleast put it past someone who knew English better than he did.

Why don't you try focusing on the whole picture instead of minor things.

Devil · #57 12-28-2006, 03:29 AM

I am focusing on an important thing.

How could a business succeed in a mostly English talking customer base, when the owners can't take 2 minutes out of their time for someone to proof-read their e-cards?

Darlene159 · #58 12-28-2006, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil

I am focusing on an important thing.

How could a business succeed in a mostly English talking customer base, when the owners can't take 2 minutes out of their time for someone to proof-read their e-cards?

Eh, I wasted enough time on this. I thought overall, everything was very nice.

Devil · #59 12-28-2006, 03:53 AM

Exactly what I thought you'd do. It just proves my point more. Thankyou.

excaliber7388 · #60 12-28-2006, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Hmm, I thought it was a very nice thought (the e-card). I actually didn't see anything hilarious about it, but that's just me....

I have seen much worse English. Never bothered me because I was able to understand that the owner of the game/product was not from the US, and didn't have perfect English. Didn't put me off at all. I can see past it, and concentrate on the product.

Por que tu queres su trabajo.
But si everysomeone speaked badly. The bad would look game.

If you own a game, with most of it's customers being english speakers, and you release something to them, it should be in proper english/french/german, w/e.
It's professionalism.
Not difficult.
If a few people will be turned off, it's not worth it.
How hard is it to have someone who speaks english natively to do it?
I understand English isn't easy: so have someone who knows it well do it.
Once more: a little effort goes a long way.

jkool666 · #61 12-28-2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

I have seen much worse English.

Oh you only say that because you read the Zone Forums

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I loved those 4 videos for Graal 3D. As mentioned, very N64 Zelda'ish. The characters remind me of those, creatures -_-, from Animal Crossing.

Stephen · #62 12-28-2006, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Hmm, I thought it was a very nice thought (the e-card). I actually didn't see anything hilarious about it, but that's just me....
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Yea, it was a nice thought - and it was very well done as far as graphics go. However, the English wasn't that great, and it made for some fairly hilarious stuff.

konidias · #63 12-28-2006, 08:50 AM

The bad English was all a scheme to distract you from making comments about what the newsletter showed for Graal's future.

j/k... or not.

Sam · #64 12-28-2006, 01:25 PM

I am amused how intolerant some people are. They majority of them do not speak a second language and when I see all the spelling mistakes they're doing in their native tongue I am aghast.

Skyld · #65 12-28-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Por que tu queres su trabajo.
But si everysomeone speaked badly. The bad would look game.

If you own a game, with most of it's customers being english speakers, and you release something to them, it should be in proper english/french/german, w/e.
It's professionalism.
Not difficult.
If a few people will be turned off, it's not worth it.
How hard is it to have someone who speaks english natively to do it?
I understand English isn't easy: so have someone who knows it well do it.
Once more: a little effort goes a long way.

I can see where some of Unixmad's mistakes come from because I study French. Unless he immersed himself in an English-speaking country and spoke nothing but English for a few years, he won't be perfect with it and you should understand that. The message is understandable, therefore it's purpose is fulfilled. Sam is right in what he says, that people who can't string together coherent text and speech in their native language are not in a position to speak. Hell, I can't understand some of your posts because they are so scattered and unstructured.

If you spoke to him in French, he would no doubt be very professional. However, it is difficult to carry that over into a second language. People learn things differently, so the least you can do is respect that he is trying.

James205 · #66 12-28-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

I can see where some of Unixmad's mistakes come from because I study French. Unless he immersed himself in an English-speaking country and spoke nothing but English for a few years, he won't be perfect with it and you should understand that. The message is understandable, therefore it's purpose is fulfilled. Sam is right in what he says, that people who can't string together coherent text and speech in their native language are not in a position to speak. Hell, I can't understand some of your posts because they are so scattered and unstructured.

If you spoke to him in French, he would no doubt be very professional. However, it is difficult to carry that over into a second language. People learn things differently, so the least you can do is respect that he is trying.

I understand what you're saying, but there are many players who would be willing to proof read it. It's not insulting anything, it just looks more professional.

I think that's basically it.

Anyway, things are looking good so far.

Spark910 · #67 12-28-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

How hard is it to have someone who speaks english natively to do it?

Not very, I guess! I used to review/write them to some improved standard

pooper200000 · #68 12-28-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I am amused how intolerant some people are. They majority of them do not speak a second language and when I see all the spelling mistakes they're doing in their native tongue I am aghast.

I don't think they care about the spelling as much because they believe people can interpret their speech and typos. Anywhoo I like a lot of the stuff in the christmas letter its a lot of fun ,the stuff that was added.

psst! This is what happens to all the zone threads!!

Mykel · #69 12-28-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I am amused how intolerant some people are. They majority of them do not speak a second language and when I see all the spelling mistakes they're doing in their native tongue I am aghast.

We're not running a business either, bud. And I'm not asking anyone to be perfect here, it takes decades to master a second language. However, when there are many people that could be turned to, it would be very simple to fix.

amonrabr · #70 12-28-2006, 05:06 PM

Im feeling really bad reading this post. I was thinking in not post here, but I see you people didnt change the focus, so its hard to not post something.

Well actually Unixmad wrote the newsletter text, that looks be perfect.

I wrote the card text, thats wrong, how you know, so Its totally my fault.

Im not a cyberjoueurs member, I just helped making the layout and the card some hours before you people received it. Unixmad said to me find someone to help me with those texts, and I tryed to contact Moonie on Icq, but no answer. Then I asked Other-Graal-Person help, that told me one of this wrong phrases (that mykel told me by pm) was right, but its not his fault, since he looked be busy when I asked.

So it is difficult to read you people talking about unprofessionalism to the wrong person. Since it was my fault, not cyberjoueurs. Not a excuse, but english is my third language, and actually I never speak english with someone, just with graal people sometimes, and some internet communities.

thank you.

Mykel · #71 12-28-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by amonrabr

Im feeling really bad reading this post. I was thinking in not post here, but I see you people didnt change the focus, so its hard to not post something.

Well actually Unixmad wrote the newsletter text, that looks be perfect.

I wrote the card text, thats wrong, how you know, so Its totally my fault.

Im not a cyberjoueurs member, I just helped making the layout and the card some hours before you people received it. Unixmad said to me find someone to help me with those texts, and I tryed to contact Moonie on Icq, but no answer. Then I asked Other-Graal-Person help, that told me one of this wrong phrases (that mykel told me by pm) was right, but its not his fault, since he looked be busy when I asked.

So it is difficult to read you people talking about unprofessionalism to the wrong person. Since it was my fault, not cyberjoueurs. Not a excuse, but english is my third language, and actually I never speak english with someone, just with graal people sometimes, and some internet communities.

thank you.

No problem bud, thanks for clearing it up. Oh, and if you ever need help again, feel free to PM.

Darlene159 · #72 12-28-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by amonrabr

I tryed to contact Moonie on Icq, but no answer.

I'm sorry. I never got a message from you. You aren't on my ICQ buddy list.

Unless you are the one who tried to get me to add that said "But I need your help".
If so, I am sorry, I didn't know who you were.

Anyway, the English on the e-card was not bad at all. Very minor, and was very nice.

Mykel · #73 12-28-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

I'm sorry. I never got a message from you. You aren't on my ICQ buddy list.

Unless you are the one who tried to get me to add that said "But I need your help".
If so, I am sorry, I didn't know who you were.

Anyway, the English on the e-card was not bad at all. Very minor, and was very nice.

There were only 3 lines on the e-card and 2 of them had errors.

excaliber7388 · #74 12-28-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I am amused how intolerant some people are. They majority of them do not speak a second language and when I see all the spelling mistakes they're doing in their native tongue I am aghast.

I don't care if he can't speak or write English well. I know it's not an easy language.
But he could have asked ANY of us for help, and we would have been very happy to.
It would have made the news letter look more professional.

Darlene159 · #75 12-28-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mykel

There were only 3 lines on the e-card and 2 of them had errors.

I don't care. I look at the thought behind it.
I would prefer not discussing this for 10 pages.

pooper200000 · #76 12-28-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I don't care if he can't speak or write English well. I know it's not an easy language.
But he could have asked ANY of us for help, and we would have been very happy to.
It would have made the news letter look more professional.

w8?? asking for help and asking the players to help with it would be professional? I don't think so. They can ask select players but not all abroad

excaliber7388 · #77 12-28-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pooper200000

w8?? asking for help and asking the players to help with it would be professional? I don't think so. They can ask select players but not all abroad

I'm also thinking of potential customers who would be turned off by this.

brock128 · #78 12-28-2006, 07:02 PM

I find it amazing nobody's brought up the whole "pay for COINS even though you subscribe" thing and how terrible it is.

Didn't unix say "Graal will always be free" at one time? How the mighty have fallen.

\/ Six of one, half dozen of the other. Someone important said it.

excaliber7388 · #79 12-28-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by brock128

I find it amazing nobody's brought up the whole "pay for COINS even though you subscribe" thing and how terrible it is.

Didn't unix say "Graal will always be free" at one time? How the mighty have fallen.

I thought that was a Stefan quote

Oh well, I could be mistaken.

pooper200000 · #80 12-28-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I'm also thinking of potential customers who would be turned off by this.

yes some would. I said some players check it but not all abroad. I never said that I don't agree they should have fixed it but.... I think cyberjourers is a business and they runa very fine line between business and clowns sometimes no offense meant but Im not sure what the other side of the line would be.