Mac dev tools

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Lol, why argue which is better? Different people like/prefer different things.
I personally am quite happy with my Windows XP. Never have had a bit of problems with it.
It's all about personal choice is all.

I'm just defending PC and taking some offensive >_>

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm just defending PC and taking some offensive >_>

You can argue which is better for 50 pages, and it will not change excalibers preference, just like he wont change your preference.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

You can argue which is better for 50 pages, and it will not change excalibers preference, just like he wont change your preference.

Well he says windows/pc's suck and how they are inferior and such when pc/windows is the standard of the world, universities use it, and software is mainly made for windows.

oh and macs can't game for ****.

[Polo]

At my university I use both Windows and OSX, as well as Windows on a frequent basis.

Neither is really better, they are just different, and in the end it all boils down to personal preference. I Personally I find the OSX interface a little unintuitive in places, though I'm sure I'd adjust given time.

Both operating systems are just as susceptible to virus', but as they and other malware are generally written to hit as many computers as possible, they are almost exclusively written for Windows. I've noticed a few recent OSX exploits though, as Apple has started increased their market share. It's just as easy to write malicious software for both platforms. The idea that Windows is virus or spyware prone is generally down to 2 factors - it's market share and the users ignorance. I know plenty of Windows users who think clicking on links for 'FREE EMOTICONS - NOW WITH SOUND!' is a good idea.

My Windows PC has only crashed twice in 3 years, and both of those times we're my own fault (some very unsafe C code, heh). XP actually does a pretty good job of trapping errors.


As an aside, I recently ordered a Macbook (it's in shipping as I type). I didn't make this decision because I think OSX is superior, rather I was able to get a decent discount on the price by being a student which made it the cheapest alternative, and I also have plans to do some cross platform development in the near future.

Now stop arguing. Neither system is better, they just cater for different tastes. That's my 2 pennies.

To bring us back on topic... I might have a go at writing a simple (cross platform) level editor over Christmas, depending how much free time I have.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm pretty sure my computer scores much higher than yours on gaming benchmarks and it also costs less.

Can you carry yours in a back pack to your classes?

atleast half of your sentence was right (it'd be pointless to try)

Separately from what? I put my PC together, i had no mouse to begin with.

I know, therefore it didn't come with the mouse (it was a joke).

I'm using your same stupid argument.

Apple had command click for the longest time, but they have offered support for a 2 button mouse for a long time. It's not even a big deal.

No, because they sucked and so they ended up just going with PC's.

Which they replace every few years. Macs don't need that.

You talk about crashing yet mine never crashes.

You're lying, it's that simple. If you're running windows, you see the blue screen of death (or nothing) or you press ctrl, alt, del, all the time.

LOL thats why the majority of the world uses PC's, thats why university courses are typically using PC's, and thats why you mainly only find windows software and not mac ones. [nerdon]Go crazy when a mac hits 6000 in 3dmark05 *****[/nerdon].

Mac is gaining Market share.
Also, the world in general doesn't know much (at all) about computers. Most people use it for email, games, and the internet. That's it.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Lol, why argue which is better? Different people like/prefer different things.
I personally am quite happy with my Windows XP. Never have had a bit of problems with it.
It's all about personal choice is all.

You've had more problems than you would have with a Mac.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

You can argue which is better for 50 pages, and it will not change excalibers preference, just like he wont change your preference.

Of course not, he's afraid of change


Mac dev tools!

[Polo]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Can you carry yours in a back pack to your classes?

I've seen much smaller laptops than Apples current lineup. I've seen larger too. I don't really see what point you're trying to make here.

You're lying, it's that simple. If you're running windows, you see the blue screen of death (or nothing) or you press ctrl, alt, del, all the time.

No-one here is lying. Your persistent and false claims that all Windows based PC's crash every 5 minutes is the kind of zealot like attitude that has given Mac users the reputation they so despise. Yes some PC's crash, but generally XP' trapping of errors allows it to gracefully terminate the wayward application without disrupting others. So called blue screens of death are extremely rare these days. Somewhat funnily, the only thing which misbehaves at all on my Windows system is the Quicktime plugin for Firefox, which happens to be an Apple product (this is a known bug, if your wondering).

As a further counter example to your point, I only need to draw your attention to the recent RSS (Random Shutdown Syndrome) on the earlier Macbooks to demonstrate how frequent crashes can happen to anyone.

You've had more problems than you would have with a Mac.

Again, simply untrue. Most problems are caused by users being somewhat ignorant and clicking on unscrupulous adverts.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Polo

I've seen much smaller laptops than Apples current lineup. I've seen larger too. I don't really see what point you're trying to make here.

The computer he's reffering to is a desktop

No-one here is lying. Your persistent and false claims that all Windows based PC's crash every 5 minutes is the kind of zealot like attitude that has given Mac users the reputation they so despise.

Where did I say every 5 mins?
About once a day if you're working pretty hard on it

Yes some PC's crash, but generally XP' trapping of errors allows it to gracefully terminate the wayward application without disrupting others.

Normally yes, however, im my few months of owning this comp, I've looked at the pretty BSoD a few times

So called blue screens of death are extremely rare these days. Somewhat funnily, the only thing which misbehaves at all on my Windows system is the Quicktime plugin for Firefox, which happens to be an Apple product (this is a known bug, if your wondering).

I've seen it when I have an error with a driver. It's either my Logitech webcam, or my game pad. I once came back from the gym to find the freakin BSoD when I opened the lid. It never went to sleep and was pretty hot.

As a further counter example to your point, I only need to draw your attention to the recent RSS (Random Shutdown Syndrome) on the earlier Macbooks to demonstrate how frequent crashes can happen to anyone.

I believe an update fixed that.
It may have been related to the heat problems, but the Macbook didn't have that as bad. The MBP did.

Again, simply untrue. Most problems are caused by users being somewhat ignorant and clicking on unscrupulous adverts.

No, just no.
I haven't had any problem with viruses, mainly because I'm smart about it.
Although spyware is 'fun'.
And the fact that I do have to scan every now and then. It's slow, and it takes up time. You're guaranteed to have less time wasted if you're using a Mac.

[Polo]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

The computer he's reffering to is a desktop

Fair enough, but I've seen more powerful portable systems than a top end fully upgraded Macbook Pro.

Where did I say every 5 mins?
About once a day if you're working pretty hard on it

I was generalising somewhat when I said 5 minutes. My computer is on for upwards of 12 hours each day, and not uncommonly over 48 hours in one go. I do music production, programming in various environments with numerous compilers, and do the odd bit of video editing and web design. This is in addition to heavy web browsing, emailing and gaming usage. Many of these tasks occur simultaneously. I also run the Grid.org research/folding client, so I am constantly using 100% CPU time. If that doesn't count as working pretty hard, then i don't know what does. In just under 3 years with the system, the 2 blue screens I have seen have both been caused by my own very unsafe C code.

In reference to the Macbook RSS (Random Shutdown Syndrome)

I believe an update fixed that.
It may have been related to the heat problems, but the Macbook didn't have that as bad. The MBP did.

It was caused by a bug in the SMC firmware, essentially a driver issue (although there are numerous heat based reports). My point was that all computers can have problems.

And the fact that I do have to scan every now and then. It's slow, and it takes up time. You're guaranteed to have less time wasted if you're using a Mac.

There are virus' and exploits for OSX, just as their are for Windows. A scan can run in parallel with any other application, so you are not really wasting any time. Windows is targeted for malware due to it's popularity, but a careful user should not have a problem with this. If OSX was the more dominant system, then the boot would simply be on the other foot.

Now, you may have had problems with a Windows based system in the past, and I'm glad to hear that your happy now that you run OSX. But to think that your situation is typical of all Windows based systems is inaccurate and misleading.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

You're lying, it's that simple. If you're running windows, you see the blue screen of death (or nothing) or you press ctrl, alt, del, all the time.

I suppose I would be lying to if I said My computer hasn't crashed since I have been using XP...no blue screen, no pressing ctrl, alt, and delete, or anything, ever...I have been using it for a good while now, and love it.
You can have your own preferences, but you shouldn't call someone a liar when you don't agree with them.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I suppose I would be lying to if I said My computer hasn't crashed since I have been using XP...no blue screen, no pressing ctrl, alt, and delete, or anything, ever...I have been using it for a good while now, and love it.
You can have your own preferences, but you shouldn't call someone a liar when you don't agree with them.

It's not that I'm calling him a liar because I don't agree with him. It's that your comp probably freezes so much, that you've gotten used to it.
There's not way you can use xp without pressing ctrl alt delete at least once a week.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

It's not that I'm calling him a liar because I don't agree with him. It's that your comp probably freezes so much, that you've gotten used to it.
There's not way you can use xp without pressing ctrl alt delete at least once a week.

What? Please don't treat me like I am computer illiterate. My computer doesn't freeze. I think I would know if it did, and I have not hit ctrl, alt delete once, let alone once a week. XP works quite well.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Can you carry yours in a back pack to your classes?

Yeah.

I know, therefore it didn't come with the mouse (it was a joke).

u fail

Apple had command click for the longest time, but they have offered support for a 2 button mouse for a long time. It's not even a big deal.

i thought one click mouses were a standard for macs

Which they replace every few years. Macs don't need that.

yeah i dont need to replace a ****ty old imac because it's clearly a mac, a technological revolution

You're lying, it's that simple. If you're running windows, you see the blue screen of death (or nothing) or you press ctrl, alt, del, all the time.

Uh, no I'm not. The last time I saw a "blue screen of death" on windows XP was when I swapped out my motherboard and some other components and tried to boot windows without formating first. :P

Mac is gaining Market share.
Also, the world in general doesn't know much (at all) about computers. Most people use it for email, games, and the internet. That's it.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU USE A COMPUTER FOR

You've had more problems than you would have with a Mac.

No, a mac can't play the games I want it to play.

Of course not, he's afraid of change

No, I just dont like an inferior platform. I'm more of a gamer, so macs are useless to me. As for university, the university my friend goes to uses windows laptops as a standard.

Mac dev tools!

hell ya!!11

[zell12]

If there were more people with MACs, there would be more viruses created for them. Right now, it's worth the time it takes to make them to attack PCs; there are a hell of a lot more PCs compared to MACs.


You probably have never built your own PC; you said you owned a Dell. That's the problem right there. You can "customize" your own PC with thousands of different parts, etc. There is something always comming out thats better then the last, so it's also hard to catch up.


From my small expierence with MACs (Only used it for Video Editing in HighSchool), it crashed... a lot. Was using some good software and hardware too. Think it had OSX and ATI cards, one of the more expensive ones.


Anyway, I don't pefer PC over MAC, they are both good for their seperate tasks they excell at. I'd rather use linux over them all, but even still, I use Windows to run games (like this, WoW, CS, etc.)

[excaliber7388]

All I'm saying, is that I know of people using an iBook for over 6 years. My old computer was useles after 6 years. I updated drivers all the time, kept it free of malware (except for Windows ME, the biggest piece of **** on the market)

[Novo]

Umm... For tools for Graal, I just dual-boot into Ubuntu (Edgy). It's pretty supported. (IM me for link?)

Other than that... There's no support AT ALL for Mac OS X. You delete the PowerPC archetypes off your computer, and you (save 3 gigs and) can't run Graal no more!

=[ PowerPC got a better emulation in September -- And it shows. But! Still not enough to prevent me from dual-booting.

All in all, I have Linux for Development, and Mac for everything else. Screw Windows. As for the rest... If I find the excessive need to, I just boot into Windows XP with parallels... Which, might I add, is an EXCELLENT emulator tool. The only perk is it doesn't support your extensive graphics abilities while emulated: Everything else, however, has been smooth.

The only problem with emulated windows is all the images that have an alpha != 1 or is stretched: They display as big white boxes with poka-dots.

In the end... If you want Graal on Mac OS X, you emulate. If you want Graal on your Mac, you use Linux. If you're really desperate and get confused too easily about Linux, use Windows.

A nifty hack I did for my Linux is this:

NPC Code:

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cd /mnt/

sudo mkdir Mac

sudo mount -t auto /dev/sda2 /mnt/Mac/



cd ~

ln -s /mnt/Mac/Users/(username)/Music/iTunes/iTune's\ Music

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You might want to add that to your /etc/fstab

Like that, you have a folder on the user that links to your music on Mac.
For that to work, I changed the rights ( in Mac: Mac drive is read-only ) to 744 recursively.



Personally, however... I LOVE the webcam support on Mac. No, Yen, I do not want to dance for you.