Classic Needs Reform

[Mafukie]

That sucks, so the gscript 2 will break all the current scripts? Why is Stefan making it so hard on the scripters?

[Ibonic]

This probably isn't very helpful or on topic with most of the thread, but since the last few posts are about it:

GScript2 is surprisingly easy to learn and use, even if you can't test scripts offline at the moment. A lot of its usage is 'common sense' once the syntax is learned -- and even that isn't hard to understand, especially since similar syntax is used in a lot of programming/scripting languages already. It's definitely a major improvement, and one of the reasons I've enjoyed being involved with Graal again.

[Tyhm]

Supergood. GScript2. I may find myself with some temps libres soon; count me in.

[Torankusu_2002]

Originally Posted by Mafukie

That sucks, so the gscript 2 will break all the current scripts? Why is Stefan making it so hard on the scripters?

No, I don't think GS2 will break all of the scripts.
From what I have read, and looking over a lot of the GS2 commands, most of them are self-explainatory, and others I haven't been able to find anyone that knows what they do.

But, most playerworlds are going to want to convert to GS2 because maybe in the far future Stefan will have GS1 disabled, and GS2 will become the standard script.

But by then, most people will know it.

[Tyhm]

Right, in the same sense that "maybe in the far future Stefan will disable clientside."
You can't stop the march.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Mafukie

That sucks, so the gscript 2 will break all the current scripts? Why is Stefan making it so hard on the scripters?

You are looking at it all wrong...Stefan isn't trying to make it harder on the scripters, he is improving Graal, and in the long run, making it easier and more efficient(sp) on the scripters, and the playerworlds.

[Mark Sir Link]

But I digress. Classic is still in the same situation, with no short term solutions in sight any longer. Storm has dug classic too deep into this hole, and got us stuck. Currently, I think Classic should be renamed, for at the moment, it's an inaccurate label, serving no function but to sting those who have been gone from graal for a bit, come back, and find this travesty of a playerworld in the place of the once-mighty "Graal The Adventure". I propose the name of the server becoming something like "Grwal Teh Sukz".

Haha, but seriously. The situation is dire at the moment, with no real LAT admin, but a trial LAT Admin instead. I suggest that Massokre be given full rightage, because I've seen what he's done first hand, and I appreciate his work. Massokre would be a great LAT Admin, but leaving him with this powerless title does nothing at the moment.

The GC Team should be aborted like a 40 pound baby. I was on the other day, and it took over 12 hours for the GCs to finally decide to host.

The use of macros and bots to idle is really starting to annoy me. I believe a system should be made that checks for repetitive keystrokes at the same intervals, up to 10 keystrokes at a time. That way, most idle bots would be rendered useless.

The GP team has turned from a good team to a corrupt team, with warnings being issued to those the GPs dislike. I find a certain 48 year old GP warping to me without warrant, and when I ask her to explain why there was a need to warp at me, I get the ever wonderful response "I have my reasons." She would love to jail me for even the most minor offense. Stryker is a good guy, and the team functions well, WHEN HE'S ONLINE. Offline, the team becomes bad and biased

FAQ Team. Stop having 3 guys on for 19 people, and then all sit around off tag when there's 50. You guys aren't talented, you're idiots.


At this point, it's too late for Storm to start working on restoring classic, so let's stop trying. Ebon's keep, toss it out. Brother's house, Master Li's, toss 'em. Just refrain from calling the server Classic, and actually get some **** done.

[nikomi946]

Since Kevin knows I'm long winded I'd hate to disappoint him so I apologize in advance to the rest of you.

I suggest that Massokre be given full rightage, because I've seen what he's done first hand, and I appreciate his work. Massokre would be a great LAT Admin, but leaving him with this powerless title does nothing at the moment.

Massokre was hired on a trial basis through mutual agreement. He's been given the admin position but its my understanding he has no problems with his current rights as he feels getting quests online is more important than dealing with the responsibilities he'll need to deal with as an Admin.

The GC Team should be aborted like a 40 pound baby. I was on the other day, and it took over 12 hours for the GCs to finally decide to host.

The GC team is doing the best they can with the lack of trustworthy talent presently on Classic. Hiring standards have had to be lowered to fill the empty positions.

FAQ Team. Stop having 3 guys on for 19 people, and then all sit around off tag when there's 50. You guys aren't talented, you're idiots.

Regardless of how little there is for FAQ to answer at this time they are still required to work their minutes. If that means they have to be on tag during times when it seems there are more than necessary thats not really their fault. At least they will be ready when there is more work for them. Whether you believe this or not is immaterial but there are many trials and new players that still need their help. Whether it be to tell them how to change outfits or explain to the oldbies why Classic has changed.

Last but not least my specialty:

The GP team has turned from a good team to a corrupt team, with warnings being issued to those the GPs dislike. I find a certain 48 year old GP warping to me without warrant, and when I ask her to explain why there was a need to warp at me, I get the ever wonderful response "I have my reasons." She would love to jail me for even the most minor offense. Stryker is a good guy, and the team functions well, WHEN HE'S ONLINE. Offline, the team becomes bad and biased

First off, I'm 49. I didn't realize age was an issue but obviously it is for you.
Secondly, I didn't need a reason to warp to you but if you really want to know it was because you were in the level I was going to so I used you as a target warp. Nothing sinister at all.
Third, you have a large opinion of yourself. I have no vendetta against you. Follow the rules and I have no reason to jail you. I'm an equal opportunity jailer. I make no preference between you or anyone else. All are created and treated equally. I can't speak for my fellow GP's but to my knowlege I act no differant whether Stryker is online or off. Its all a figment of your overactive imagination.

Bell GP Captain -Classic

[jacob_bald6225]

Originally Posted by nikomi946

The GC team is doing the best they can with the lack of trustworthy talent presently on Classic. Hiring standards have had to be lowered to fill the empty positions.

*giggles at clel*

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

At this point, it's too late for Storm to start working on restoring classic, so let's stop trying. Ebon's keep, toss it out. Brother's house, Master Li's, toss 'em. Just refrain from calling the server Classic, and actually get some **** done.

*cries at thought*
But I love Ebon's Keep!!!!!

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

Scripting and Level Editing is a requirement for a good Manager. A Manager should contributed to as much aspects of a server as possible. Managing staff should be left up to each divisions admin.

I tried that once. It didn't work. Every time I'd start working on, I don't know, bowling, fishing, fighting fish, standardized shops, seek-and-destroy the "playersays" trigger, every time I'd get hit with "OMG MR BEAR IS CORRUPT YOU HAVE TO FIRE HIM!" To which I'd ask "Mr Bear? Where does he even work these days?" and no development would get done. It's exhausting work, trying to work and be the public liason. I tell you, I don't recommend the dual life to anyone.

In any case, it's quite impossible to please all the people all the time; if they shunted it back to my day people would complain the Heras were back, if they shunted it to before people would miss...okay, nobody liked my retiling revolution, but the completed overworld and the underwater went rather smashingly...but people would complain that they suddenly missed the Ventrue Guildhouse in, I don't know, Level 13. Put that back and suddenly there's a revolt from people that were glad when it was gone. Remove it again and they both hate you and accuse you of flip-flopping.

It is the humble opinion of this Admin Emeritus (muahaha) that one should indeed allow the uploading of content entirely counter to progress, in innocuous locations. If Voluran's Mausoleum, the Cave Entrance, and the Tree in the Swamp all lead to a catacombs people can run around in, then hey, no harm no foul. Gives people something to do (read: complain about) while you revive the quests that were deleted. If it's for the worse you can always just remove it, retile it, repair it, whatever. The exception of course being that inevitable point where the submitters get tired of doing things "your way" and "fix" the server's lack of a gold sword, l4 shield, the remaining out-of-20-hearts, and tactical nuclear weaponry. As you may recall, my solution was to invent the thrice-accursed tears of hera to be distributed wherever something demanded a fullheart but didn't really call for one; but everyone hates getting less than a fullheart for completing Zol's Pub, so whatever.

Anyway. Progress is progress, and progress is inevitably destructive. I've no doubt Ninji Castle's going to be retooled yet again, possibly out of existance this time; everyone will hate the new castle, and if you put it back everyone will prefer the one you just deleted. People only speak up to complain, and they're quite capable of complaining on both sides because you failed to capture their vision of the server twice. Life should be one long unbroken pinnacle of enjoyment and it's all your fault it's not, etc.

I can neither say I like nor approve of the changes I've been hearing about, but nor can I really say I'm about to take back my Admin pants and tromp across the server side setting everything the way I remember it. Nobody'd like it anyway, or rather, everyone would complain bitterly that I did it wrong.

Incidentally, I too have a backup of the server, from the very moment I'd left. Maybe better than your copy. Correction - maybe more accurate to my own memory than your copy, you're bound to prefer your own version of the world.

[nikomi946]

Thank you, finally someone that sees things for what they are.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by nikomi946

Thank you, finally someone that sees things for what they are.

He said in his third or fourth paragraph that he doesn't approve of the changes that were made, and thats what I'm always saying. I couldn't agree more.

[WanDaMan]

I don't like the staff, I got told to **** off by an FAQ.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by nikomi946

Since Kevin knows I'm long winded I'd hate to disappoint him so I apologize in advance to the rest of you.

Excellent.

Massokre was hired on a trial basis through mutual agreement. He's been given the admin position but its my understanding he has no problems with his current rights as he feels getting quests online is more important than dealing with the responsibilities he'll need to deal with as an Admin.

Talents left aside, he still can't do it alone.

The GC team is doing the best they can with the lack of trustworthy talent presently on Classic. Hiring standards have had to be lowered to fill the empty positions.

Lowering standards was a bad choice. There were plenty of competent players who applied (e.g myself)

Regardless of how little there is for FAQ to answer at this time they are still required to work their minutes. If that means they have to be on tag during times when it seems there are more than necessary thats not really their fault. At least they will be ready when there is more work for them. Whether you believe this or not is immaterial but there are many trials and new players that still need their help. Whether it be to tell them how to change outfits or explain to the oldbies why Classic has changed.

Thermo says the ratio of FAQs to players should be 1 to 20. Therefore, minutes regardless, they're violating rules, and getting nothing done
Last but not least my specialty:

First off, I'm 49. I didn't realize age was an issue but obviously it is for you.

One year. Excuse me. I still think that's far too old to attempt to deal with the age group that plays graal.

Secondly, I didn't need a reason to warp to you but if you really want to know it was because you were in the level I was going to so I used you as a target warp. Nothing sinister at all.
Third, you have a large opinion of yourself. I have no vendetta against you. Follow the rules and I have no reason to jail you. I'm an equal opportunity jailer. I make no preference between you or anyone else. All are created and treated equally. I can't speak for my fellow GP's but to my knowlege I act no differant whether Stryker is online or off. Its all a figment of your overactive imagination.

I'm pretty sure one of the staff members said that a reason is needed to warp, and the "same level" is such bull****, there was no need for you to get involved on an event in progress. You threaten to jail me over the word "Damn", while your Ventrue buddies say "**** **** **** LAWL" right in your face, and you don't care. Come to think of it, why do you need levels rights? I'm sure you get pissed when LATs summon people to jail, so why do you need to upload levels? Didn't someone get banned due to your carelessness and allowing levels with Fireshot and Nukeshot to get uploaded? I hope your rights were yanked after that, you proved you weren't responsible enough.

Please, get a real job.

[EvilOmniscience]

quick correction, 1/10-20 depending on the ration of oldbies to newbs. but essentially, yes.

[EvilOmniscience]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

I don't like the staff, I got told to **** off by an FAQ.

Dealt with. old news.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by EvilOmniscience

Dealt with. old news.

Good job, you're still mediocre and corrupt.

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Good job, you're still mediocre and corrupt.

This is neither the methodology nor the place. (The time is debatable)

[Mark Sir Link]

I attempted tact, I used peaceful methods, but classic continues to die.

[Tyhm]

Yes, and it is neither the mediocre nor even the long-hated corrupt responsible, even if there could be a consensus of whom we can hold responsible. If you want to do something useful pack up a lifeboat - Classic is an idea more than a server, and it will never die so long as some are willing to resurrect a warped mockery thereof, The Owners be willing.

[Mark Sir Link]

Classic should be removed from Storm's control. Stefan really should take the lead of Classic again. Right now, no one who play's classic is really trained to be manager (including storm), especially in a time like this.

EDIT: He's made it perfectly clear that he would prefer not to have my assitance

[Admins]

Storm is doing good work. Try to help him instead of saying such disrespectful things.

[Polo]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Storm is doing good work. Try to help him instead of saying such disrespectful things.

Thankyou.

It is hurtful when people are posting thier problems without even talking to me, or posting untrue or twisted comments.

[Mark Sir Link]

if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[DarkFireXZ3]

Classic just needs a sum of improvements i just don't get into it very much.

[jacob_bald6225]

We need something to do to keep us entertained that aren't events, because they seem like a lame excuse for a lack of updates.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by jacob_bald6225

We need something to do to keep us entertained that aren't events, because they seem like a lame excuse for a lack of updates.

Nighty is currently working on a new collectable trading idea which will be useable without a GC. Also I think GrowlZ is making a card deck of some sort, also useable without a GC.

[Corp1]

Upload v1.37 now...that's the only way to save this server.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Corp1

Upload v1.37 now...that's the only way to save this server.

???

[Tyhm]

Of course! It worked so well the last TWO TIMES. I'm sure it will in no way conflict with NPCServer, since nothing at all has changed technologically in the past 5 years. Brilliant!

"And for your information, I was being sarcastic!"

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

Of course! It worked so well the last TWO TIMES. I'm sure it will in no way conflict with NPCServer, since nothing at all has changed technologically in the past 5 years. Brilliant!

"And for your information, I was being sarcastic!"

Nothings more cutting edge then what they did in the fifties.

[LOA--Paul]

Priority should probably go to getting actual landmass/overworld created, in a literal sense. Including empty housing/buildings, empty areas, a clean cut, sleek looking overworld, preferably in sort of a shape that the old classic one had turned out (not the same levels I mean, but the same geographically for the most part)

Then worry about major scripting projects/quests/items/economy.

[Mark Sir Link]

Economy?

have you played classic in a while?

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

Priority should probably go to getting actual landmass/overworld created, in a literal sense. Including empty housing/buildings, empty areas, a clean cut, sleek looking overworld, preferably in sort of a shape that the old classic one had turned out (not the same levels I mean, but the same geographically for the most part)

Then worry about major scripting projects/quests/items/economy.

Then worry about major scripting projects? Sheesh Rakurai, seriously, fixing damage and movement should be first priority. Storm has told me that he has fixed movement for once Graal v4 comes out, which is believable (it's a lot easier to script such things in gscript2).

MS, if you're reading this, though, test out the frog baddy that I made. You need to make it so that if you swing your sword at it, that you actually can hit it. Occasionally you get lucky. Bombs tend to do the best. Arrows do alright. Sword is almost impossible. I don't know if you're setting actionSlash on enough places. Could you look into that? I'll talk to you when I see you next, too, or if you don't read this first.

[maximus_asinus]

Technically Massokre is saying that they've had a year to work on things, and they have ZERO to show for it. One of the two quests they have up right now is easily beatable (talk about running through levels). It was probably made in 25 minutes too.

You can go on about things you've planned, but until its released or even started, it means nothing to us. Basically nothing has changed since the start of this thread.

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

Technically Massokre is saying that they've had a year to work on things, and they have ZERO to show for it. One of the two quests they have up right now is easily beatable (talk about running through levels). It was probably made in 25 minutes too.

You can go on about things you've planned, but until its released or even started, it means nothing to us. Basically nothing has changed since the start of this thread.

Actually, Maximus, that forsaken beer **sidequest** took forever to get to work, but because of it we have little improvements that will make things easier to develop in the future. Apparently I accidentally deleted the wrong post (with the quest outline), but oh well, I can live without that.

You don't have any idea how important that lantern will be to questing. You'll probably kill yourself over the difficulties I gave to it.

I'm developing baddies right now. I've got my black spider (that you've seen a million times already, I'm sure), and I've got the frog. Really, now, only Storm can take them further. The focus on gameplay -will not- be on baddies, but they always present their own challenges. I also have a tree baddy in development for the forest quest, as well as a few other tricks.

Maybe I should just wait until all of the quests are done until I release any of them... Then maybe the shock of it all will convince you to stop whining. That's what I was thinking. Release the first half all at once. Release the Graal Quests all at once, unless they are done at the same time, in which case, release them all at once.

You have to understand Maximus, that the beginnings of developing a server are the most difficult because there is nothing there for you to use yet. However, once you start developing things, you can reuse them. Like the lantern scripts. You'll run into them. Birdshot puzzles, you'll run into them.

Anyways, I have a meeting to get to, but don't worry because stuff is coming. Blame Tyhm (my personal scapegoat for all problems).

*Massokre can't find his shoe*
ARRRRGHGHHGHGHHG!!! TYYYHHMMMMMMMM!!!!

[Tyhm]

Well, it IS usually my fault. What can I say? I had a server where the core scripting not only worked just fine, it WORKED. We're moving further and further from anything resembling a "baseline", Stefan's ripped out all the old hardcoded Baddy, Heart display, sword system - I think it woulda been nice if we had a centralized scriptbase for them like the website kept trying for, so every server has a BaddySystem and SwordScript to start with, maybe even like the old Fung Si Yuan Basic NPC, but 1) Hacker Invitation, 2) Logistics Nightmare, 3) We'd all start from scratch sooner or later. It'd just have been a nice stopgap. I always wanted to track down the G2K1 team and kipe their work so Adventure NPCServ woulda had a system on which to rebuild the quests, but yeah, you gotta have a system before you can build quests, and damn but it's a pain to build.

Remember when my posts used to have points? I sure don't.

[Mark Sir Link]

Tyhm, I loved all of your stuff

[jacob_bald6225]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Tyhm, I loved all of your stuff

You loved night time with the cone effects? That wouldve been good for quests, but some people have light effects off