Classic Needs Reform
 

This thread is not intended for bashing or the like. Please only contribute if you have something to say of the situation, not other players.

As most of you have seen from the threads that have been posted, classic is going horribly. Contributing to the problem is the fact that a certain guild holds much power, especially when it comes to hiring. The administrators of every division are in Ventrue. That causes has you can imagine, much trouble. Ventrue holds too much influence in the fate and course of action in classic. Whats even worse, is that there are players who play graal that could do their job's better than the people who have them currently can. The GC Admin (Like ETs) Does not level, and appaerntly he doesn't script either. He has GC LATs to do his job for him. On every other server I worked for, the Events Admin is in charge of making new events and the such. The LAT Admin is never on, and seems to only be hiring Ventrue staff members, with the exception of Exodus. The GP Administration is not corrupt in it's hirings, and I do believe it is run quite professionally, less the unfair banning of the account maximus_asinus. The FAQs are still staff, although I hardly ever see a FAQ on, and when they are, they're off tag, or idling on tag.

Back to why the content of classic is starting to decline though. It's because the power this guild has allows them to upload crappy levels with terrible scripting over and over again. If I was the LAT Administrator, I would fire any LAT who tried to turn these levels in. Ventrue refutes claims of having too much stuff, using these lies, that 1.)No guild is big enough to compete, and 2.)no guild is trying to get their stuff uploaded. What they say for 1 is totally unrelated to the fact that they are fundamentally changing classic, and ruining worse that it was the day the NPC-Server was released. 2 is also faux, because guilds are being denied having levels because they're of "poor quality" view attachment 1, and tell me if a level can get poorer than that. They also say no guilds are trying to get stuff uploaded. US was told by the LAT teams that we would only receive a tiny guildhouse on the overworld, or we could put our big old island in the warptex. [EDIT]Ventrue was never told they needed to upload their crap to a warptex, they were free to do so wherever they felt they could add their propaganda to the overworld[/EDIT] US Island was apart of classic, while these catacombs never were. Yet we're being shifted aside for these new ventrue levels that are pretty bad.

View attachment 2, it shows another entrance to the catacombs. There are more around classic, but I don't feel like pissing myself off by going through any more of the Ventrue levels. So what do you think guys, does classic need reform?

Hm. Something hard to prove since we can't get into the person's mind x-x.

Though, I'll tell you what some of the replies you'll probably get.

1) Players can join any guild they please.
2) You can't prove if the administration is just hiring players in the guild since you don't know the quality of their work. Judging ones' work is a matter of personal opinion.
3) What do you propose as a solution?

1.) On classic, guilds are considered leet and thus are password set, and you have to have a respectable reputation to get an invitation from US, Baddies, Ventrue, etc.
2.) While I don't know the quality of the work being submitted, I just hope to dear god that someone who DID apply sent in something better than whats being uploaded now.
3.) My solution is to replace the GC and LAT administrators. They currently hold too much power and are influencing and bending classic's growth. Content is being added in the wrong direction. Rather than LATs working on some content everyone can enjoy, it's being focused on what Ventrue players can enjoy.

And also, I forgot to mention That I do NOT blame this on Master Storm. I'm sure he didn't want so many entrances to the same level.

The only thing that can fix Classic for me is to bring back hearts and throw heras the hell away. It's too frustrating to do all that work and then not play for awhile and forget which heras you did.

Heras left along with every other script players had come to love when the NPC-Server was introduced...

For the last time, I'm not Ventrue! !pissed!

As for everything else, gather up some proof that other guilds are being denied the chances Ventrue are being given and then we can talk. Otherwise, you just typed a big wall of text with no meaning. :\

But I will agree. I never knew about the Ventrue guild houses till I had the unlucky chance of walking behind the Angel Clan area. I must say I was shocked for a second, stunned for 5 seconds after that, then scared to tears at such crappy levels. Antago could do better levels than those. *remembers when Antago remade level13.graal* :rolleyes:

I'm of course refering to the attempt of a US guildhouse to be uploaded.
[edit] my apologies. While you do/did have a ventrue tag, you hardly ever wear it. Also, Strkyer, I said you run the GP Administration very professionally, unlike the crappy GC Administration. The GC Team needs new admins who can actually develop events, or be abolished.[/edit]

I honestly believe the problem is the lack of wanting to do things on Classic. Sure, Storm wants to do a lot for Classic, but wanting to do and doing are two different things.

A great idea is nothing without a great execution. :cool:

Guild houses should not really be in the warptex. Its much better wor the server when they are on the overworld, and then you can make them capturable (Like the forts we used to have on Classic).

Heras are removed, and wont be readded. One of the major feedbacks I got was that players generally didn't like them. :(.

Ventrue is a lot of levels, but its not really taking up much overworld space. By contrast, the brotherhood guild fort (which is not player accessible) takes up 4 levels on the overworld in total, and so looks much mor prominent. This is probably what was meant when US were told it could not be too big.

The only LAT's from Ventrue I can immediately think of are Stev and Racil, and Racil was hired by me x-x.

Im always open to feedback/suggestions, but theres some things which are not really feasible or against player interest. When I refuse those things players just ask again and again and then say I dont listen to ideas x-x.

The entire Ventrue guild caves are against player intrests, and should be removed until they look halfway decent.

:-( I am not happy with Classic at all. On a scale of 1-10 I'd give it a -3.

If I were new to graal, and hadn't played before, and wanted to try out the servers... Classic would be horrible to me.

I say that Storm should pick a path to take Classic down, some will like it, some wont, and just stick with it, giving us actual updates to the server.

The newest entrance to the Catacombs and such - as far as I know - is by Bean's fairly oversized playerhouse (of the inside totals up to a hallway and a small room), which connects to the graveyard as well.

There's Selflon of course.

I'll try and put my two cents in, and I'll try and keep out any flame based comments.

First off, I'd like to appoligize to Master Storm, I placed a large part of the blame on him, and I guess it was easier that way, he is the one in charge. I'm not saying that everything that's gone wrong isn't his fault, hardly. He doesn't do as much work as I'd expect from a Manager of a rereleased server, basically from scratch, but he's hardly to blame for some of the other things that has happened.

Now I'll get back on topic and take points from all these posts and try to fit it into one post.
Couldn't have said it better myself. US island was a part of Classic, and having it put inside the warptex would be stupid. In the long run, barring Classic does actually go downhill to the point nobody plays, that thing will be too large, and too complicated. Any guildhouse should be apart of the overworld. You'll ask, "Max, then why are you so upset about Ventrue's places? It isn't even really apart of the overworld, its 'below it'.". To that I say, its too large. Plain and simple. I think it is as large as the overworld, if not larger. The quality for these levels is poor, you'd expect more from something that been in the works for three years.

I also dislike how when we (US), asked about a guild house we were told the only way we were allowed is if it was put inside the warptex. Either that or we could place it inside a house. We weren't offered an option to place it 'beneath' the overworld (please don't say it was promised to be there, Tyhm has already posted and said he did no such thing). It was a take it or leave it option.

I think a guildhouse should be limited to a maximum of ten high quality levels, Not every member needs to have there own room, and if they wish to contribute, they can help design a level. You may say this is a rather small number, but I think you can get your point accross with ten levels.
Ultimately it is the recruiter's decision to let in another player. As Kevin has stated, Classic guilds are harder to gain membership to as they have higher standards. I can't speak for all the guilds, but most recruit based on status. You won't see any 'newbies' running around on a afore mentioned tag.
I wouldn't resort to immediately firing the Administration. I'd sort through and weed out the inactives, give them a chance to return, and then fire them. As for the server itself, unlike Storm, I believe in schedules, and assigned work would be expected back within a time period (reasonable, allowing for a couple days for delays).

The LAT team would be seperated into teams, I'm not sure on how many, but there'd be one for rebuilding hangouts, and making places/things that a player could use/do when there wasn't a GC on. The other would rebuild and remake old quests.

Storm wouldn't be demoted or fired, but there would be another person that could also dictate whats happening.
I haven't been able to play Classic too much do to a ban, but I can remember CO trying to get online (I think they were uploaded a week ago or so, but they were waiting for a long while to get uploaded). Then there is NOM. You may say they weren't ready because they weren't capable of being placed online, but neither was everything that Ventrue did. They were able to test things. Fix things. NOM was never given that chance. I could probably think of a few other guilds.

This is my first post, and I promise the rest will be shorter. I just missed this, and had to sum up all my replies.

if you want to make US island compatible for the new classic just put this at the top of every single script

NPC Code:

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//#CLIENTSIDE

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you're done. it worked for ventrue.

well atleast shorten their entrances to the guildhouse :/
it had like 5 entrances just to get to one place,1 or 2 would be good.
Also Exodus remade the guild "Macabre" and had a guildhouse uploaded for it
he then deleted it and instead sent in a new+better one for the guild "Overkill"
he sent that about a month ago and its still not uploaded,even tho he deleted the guild Overkill he could just use it as VS guildhouse,ventrue is constantly having levels uploaded when other guildhouses never get a chance to be uploaded,CO's was promised to be behind angel clan but is now in a cave to the right of zols pub :/ ventrue is basiclly classic. :whatever:

Ventrue had asked me about having under AC like ayear ago. :\

I couldn't agree more with all of this. Classic is basicly ventrue. There is no doubt about that, but the thing is, back in 2001 and 2002 which guild ruled over classic? US! And now its us US guys *****ing about ventrue runing classic, but this is the same thing there were doing back in 2001-2002. It's all a matter of which guild gets more popular. As for the "Ventrue Hiring Ventrue" thing, 100% true. In a GC hiring, They will hire 3 ventrue and 1 non-ventrue. That 1 non-ventrue doesnt last gc for 3 months tops, eaither fired or quits from the herassment. The GC administration is nighty, who is a cool guy, but is influenced by the peer-pressure of the guild, and the asst. admin Sting, who LEADS Ventrue now a days, and is a complete prick to anyone not in ventrue. FAQ is very fair in their hirings, yes most of the team is ventrue, but its because they know their **** about classic. LAT is all but maybe 1 ventrue..and if im right PKT was fired, i think.. Or atleast his LAT tag stopped working. The whole over-world is ventrue controled, atleast with US we had 1 entrance house and a whole island off the main one, Which is the current one because our great manager Master Storm is afraid of expanding. Sure before the NPCs server was released there was a few unused islands like Nimda and Floydia, but those could of been easily removed. What is going to happen when V.4 is released and we get quests? Are we gonna have to own the ventrue vampires and get a heart, or are we gonna keep the classic style and make us travle all over to win? The way classic is going, we maybe as well rename it "The Catacombs" and make the whole server dark at all times.

Wall....of....text...hurting...eyes....
The goggles! They do nothing!

As for the little bit I bolded, I thought Obby was Asst Administrator of GC now?

Classic Needs Reform

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This thread is not intended for bashing or the like. Please only contribute if you have something to say of the situation, not other players.


Same story, differant post. Get off it already. Its obvious that no amount of explanation or logic will convince anyone of anything. Take a look at total p2p playercount. What percentage happen to be Ventrue? You will obviously have more staff from that guild only because of the numbers involved. Classic is no longer a server of 200 people so it won't be as diverse as it once was. You all need to learn that many of us are quite capable of seperating guildlife from stafflife. This post was supposed to be about improving classic. Its obvious right now that morale is low on classic but if as much energy was spent encouraging constructive improvement as I see spent on destructive criticism graal just might be a better place. -Bell

I could have sworn that Moonie said something along the lines of "Don't make another thread like this."

Alright, where to begin?

Kevin, that first screenshot you posted looks awful because you are using an outdated tileset. The roof is correctly tiled with an accurate tileset, and the level itself looks exactly like Angel Clan but with different tiles. What's the big deal? If you call that crappy, then surely AC is crappy too? >_<

The second screenshot you posted is an update level of Voluran's Mausoleum. It has been updated with that crappy lava and should have never been uploaded in such a state. I will consider changing that soon.

You instantly contradict yourself by claiming that this will be a "No bashing" thread, yet you lace into bashing Ventrue almost immediately.

Okay, as for the CO guildhouse under AC and these multiple entrances to the Catacombs, all were approved by Com013! Please, please, please understand this! These levels were approved to be uploaded BEFORE the NPC Server! STOP MENTIONING TYHM. This point nulls most of your petty little views.

The only player interests that the Catacombs offend are those players who are angry that they don't have a similar size guild house online. That's the way I see things.

EDIT: NOM's guild house isn't uploaded because I've heard that the scripting is terrible. Also, the clan is quite obviously dead. With nobody around to fix it, and nobody around to use it, I doubt that it will ever be uploaded.

If you want to talk about removing levels until they look half decent, I would suggest that you remove URBANLEGEND's and drew's house from the warptex, as they are terrible. You call our levels poor, yet US island was considered an eyesore by all, however the population had to live with it. 3 words - Get over it.

Carrying on with my mention of URBANLEGEND, Ventrue has always been the most dominant clan on Classic. We have a lot of mature, active members, which is reflected in staff hirings. Put 2 and 2 together. :rolleyes:

The current LAT team is as follows, according to the NPC server:

(LAT),Reflux,racil,GrowlZ1010,trifle,playared,Dani el,Moonite,jake13jake,Stev579

All but one Ventrue eh? :rolleyes: I count 3.

I would be more than happy to upload other levels if I was given respective rights, however this isn't the case. :)

Sorry for the EYEHURTINGMASSIVEWALLOFTEXT, but these things had to be said.

Oh so very ....very false.
But carry on. :cool:

Post the level with the correct tileset. It's horrible. I could definately find worse levels, I'll actually go and take a couple after I finish this post. Again I say, you would expect more from something that's been in the works for three years.
New Management. It doesn't matter if they were promised by Com013.
Originally you people claimed that Tyhm approved them. I think it actually came up in the previous thread. Now the story has changed.

Completely false.
As we've seen from previous posts, you aren't the most mature person. You're LAT. Put 2 and 2 together.

Reflux, Stev, Racil. I'm not sure about Massokre. Daniel and Moonite aren't active, so basically the active team is Ventrue.

Volurans mausoleum level should actually not even be included in a discussion of Ventrue levels, other than the fact that with his permission we were given overworld access to the catacombs through them. Voluran is Brotherhood and takes offense at being thought of as Ventrue. All changes to his levels have been either done by him or under his direction, therefore any further changes will also require his permission or approval.

The original reference to Tyhm was my mistake, it was before my time with the catacombs and I was misinformed. I do however remember Com13's permission and recieved permission from Storm directly. So new administration is also irrelevent.

Lastly, I've heard nothing but complaints about how small Classic has become and how it took 5 minutes to cover the whole world. With the addition of the tunnels and the warptex it expanded the levels available to wander immensely. Ventrue did not take LAT time away that could be used for working on restoring Classic levels or adding more content so Storm and company were free to continue progress on Classic.

Another thought to ponder, if Ventrue is the all powerful influence that all of you claim then why hasn't our influence been able to speed progress in restoring quests? We as much as anyone wish to see Classic restored to its former glory, we want to see the return of higher playercounts, guildwars, quests. All the same things you wish to see but its all in the hands of the scripting gods. When baddies work with gs2 then I'd imagine quests will come together quickly.

1. The staff that were hired for LAT haven't all be from Ventrue at all. Several others who are not on the LAT and weren't in Ventrue were offered places and either declined them, or did not reply to the e-mail confirming that they wanted a place.

2. All guildhouses were being accepted, and all of them are going to be attached to the overworld as opposed to the warptex, that's the way it was, and the way it still is... None other than PKT and Exodus have bothered to send me guild houses and theirs have gone up...

3. Daniel is active by the way maximus and I fail to see how it is a fault of anyones that others have gone inactive?

4. PKT was not fired, he is still active and still making graphics, seems Urban your very uninformed.

5. As for guilds like Overkill not having their guildhouses put up: It was made quite clear to everyone that guildhouse would be accepted from classic guilds that had a plaerbase on the server, guidls like US, SNC, Ventrue, CO, and anyother guild that is a classic guild and going to maintain playerbase on the server. Overkill, does not have a playerbase on the server.

6. It's all very well setting deadlines max, but people tend not to adhere to them, and then what do you do? Fire them? There aren't enough LATs anyway as it is, there aren't enough good applications coming in. So why should we reduce what work we are getting done just because it's not all happening in an instant.

Bell is clearly a hypocrite, because while she was ON TAG she swore at a certain Kevin Azite for voicing a complaint about the Ventrue levels. It's even more ironic, because 30 seconds earlier she had JUST WARNED Luda (notoalpena).

On another occasion, she massed, telling me basically to shut up. I don't think that is how you're supposed to handle any situation.

Toall from Bell to Kevin:

Only problem with that screenshot is that it could be from anybody named Bell, not the staff member in question.

EDIT: And what does that have to do with the rest of the thread?!

Several witnesses to the occurance. And it has to do with the thread because she claims that they're able to seperate the two issues, which clearly she can't even do.

From a thread about calssic that yet again turns into a riot x.x Does anyone actually have any CONSTRUCTIVE comments to make?

Why don't you stop crying. If you really want this thing changed. Do something about it, create a team or a guild on classic who will fight against the Ventrue..

The playercount isn't high enough to form a rival guild. US was the rival of Ventrue for a long while, but even they are dying out. But anyway fighting Ventrue would have to be on another level, one not in game, one where a person(s) in a high place in management decided to do something about the staff corruption. Battling them elsewhere would be pointless.

Would you people stop screwing around with my account? I got unban for a day, and then Stryker goes and rebans it. Stop it. I would like to add that there was no warning to the fact I was reban, I was walking around and then rebanned. Same reason.

I am currently filing a complaint with paypal, and I'll also submit a help desk submission to have this problem rectified. In the meantime I'd like to see the resignation of the two individuals involved.

Selflon removed your ban. It's not his place to do that, so your ban was put back on.

I'm always open to discuss bans, but going over my head to get yours removed doesn't work.

What happened the last time I tried that?
Conversation:
Me: Is it possible to have my account 'maximus_asinus' unban?
You: No.

Also I never asked Selflon to unban it.

This was a day or so after you were banned. Of course I won't lift a ban within that time.
And reguardless of you asking or not, it shouldn't have been unbanned by Selflon.

You accused me of going over your head. I did not. I wanted to clarify that.

lmao you are far too addicted to this game - you are taking it too seriously. I thought you could only file a complaint with Paypal only within 45 days or so of purchase? Even so, it would cost a lot of money in processing fees. Either way, you're going to lose out.

I dropped the complaints as Storm has rectified the situation.
And Stev, I purchased this account, the least I can do is make sure it isn't messed with.

Be sure to keep your account info updated, such as the email. The Email should be an active one that you use most. Also, the password should'nt be something like 'pencil' or something other.

especially not "corridor"

LOL classic is Venture? hmm well when storm added brotherhoods guild house ppl cryed as always and now VV get a big Guildhouse and ppl cry agen.. since storm wont make anything as it was (levels) the only thing to do is sit on your ass and idle time. Witch im pritty good @ hah owned newbies... anyway why dont storm get promition for a readom player (me) to make a new server called Classic 2000 .. yes its like the old server that stefan put up for fun. but this time it should have good staffs and old hitsystem and ppl can just pk 24/7 like they used to.. ( UN Newbies would not be welcome) anyway this would be fun and storm would not have to do **** just say Yes.. anyway about venture they suck indeed i probobly hate them most on classic and i would like to see the guild deleted forever. and if you stayed on to read this crap your a idiot okthxbye