Classic Needs Reform

[p2p_Sir_Link]

This thread is not intended for bashing or the like. Please only contribute if you have something to say of the situation, not other players.

As most of you have seen from the threads that have been posted, classic is going horribly. Contributing to the problem is the fact that a certain guild holds much power, especially when it comes to hiring. The administrators of every division are in Ventrue. That causes has you can imagine, much trouble. Ventrue holds too much influence in the fate and course of action in classic. Whats even worse, is that there are players who play graal that could do their job's better than the people who have them currently can. The GC Admin (Like ETs) Does not level, and appaerntly he doesn't script either. He has GC LATs to do his job for him. On every other server I worked for, the Events Admin is in charge of making new events and the such. The LAT Admin is never on, and seems to only be hiring Ventrue staff members, with the exception of Exodus. The GP Administration is not corrupt in it's hirings, and I do believe it is run quite professionally, less the unfair banning of the account maximus_asinus. The FAQs are still staff, although I hardly ever see a FAQ on, and when they are, they're off tag, or idling on tag.

Back to why the content of classic is starting to decline though. It's because the power this guild has allows them to upload crappy levels with terrible scripting over and over again. If I was the LAT Administrator, I would fire any LAT who tried to turn these levels in. Ventrue refutes claims of having too much stuff, using these lies, that 1.)No guild is big enough to compete, and 2.)no guild is trying to get their stuff uploaded. What they say for 1 is totally unrelated to the fact that they are fundamentally changing classic, and ruining worse that it was the day the NPC-Server was released. 2 is also faux, because guilds are being denied having levels because they're of "poor quality" view attachment 1, and tell me if a level can get poorer than that. They also say no guilds are trying to get stuff uploaded. US was told by the LAT teams that we would only receive a tiny guildhouse on the overworld, or we could put our big old island in the warptex. [EDIT]Ventrue was never told they needed to upload their crap to a warptex, they were free to do so wherever they felt they could add their propaganda to the overworld[/EDIT] US Island was apart of classic, while these catacombs never were. Yet we're being shifted aside for these new ventrue levels that are pretty bad.

View attachment 2, it shows another entrance to the catacombs. There are more around classic, but I don't feel like pissing myself off by going through any more of the Ventrue levels. So what do you think guys, does classic need reform?

[Malinko]

Hm. Something hard to prove since we can't get into the person's mind x-x.

Though, I'll tell you what some of the replies you'll probably get.

1) Players can join any guild they please.
2) You can't prove if the administration is just hiring players in the guild since you don't know the quality of their work. Judging ones' work is a matter of personal opinion.
3) What do you propose as a solution?

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Hm. Something hard to prove since we can't get into the person's mind x-x.

Though, I'll tell you what some of the replies you'll probably get.

1) Players can join any guild they please.
2) You can't prove if the administration is just hiring players in the guild since you don't know the quality of their work. Judging ones' work is a matter of personal opinion.
3) What do you propose as a solution?

1.) On classic, guilds are considered leet and thus are password set, and you have to have a respectable reputation to get an invitation from US, Baddies, Ventrue, etc.
2.) While I don't know the quality of the work being submitted, I just hope to dear god that someone who DID apply sent in something better than whats being uploaded now.
3.) My solution is to replace the GC and LAT administrators. They currently hold too much power and are influencing and bending classic's growth. Content is being added in the wrong direction. Rather than LATs working on some content everyone can enjoy, it's being focused on what Ventrue players can enjoy.

And also, I forgot to mention That I do NOT blame this on Master Storm. I'm sure he didn't want so many entrances to the same level.

[protagonist]

The only thing that can fix Classic for me is to bring back hearts and throw heras the hell away. It's too frustrating to do all that work and then not play for awhile and forget which heras you did.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Heras left along with every other script players had come to love when the NPC-Server was introduced...

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

The administrators of every division are in Ventrue. That causes has you can imagine, much trouble.

For the last time, I'm not Ventrue!

As for everything else, gather up some proof that other guilds are being denied the chances Ventrue are being given and then we can talk. Otherwise, you just typed a big wall of text with no meaning.

But I will agree. I never knew about the Ventrue guild houses till I had the unlucky chance of walking behind the Angel Clan area. I must say I was shocked for a second, stunned for 5 seconds after that, then scared to tears at such crappy levels. Antago could do better levels than those. *remembers when Antago remade level13.graal*

[p2p_Sir_Link]

I'm of course refering to the attempt of a US guildhouse to be uploaded.
[edit] my apologies. While you do/did have a ventrue tag, you hardly ever wear it. Also, Strkyer, I said you run the GP Administration very professionally, unlike the crappy GC Administration. The GC Team needs new admins who can actually develop events, or be abolished.[/edit]

[StrykerTFFD]

I honestly believe the problem is the lack of wanting to do things on Classic. Sure, Storm wants to do a lot for Classic, but wanting to do and doing are two different things.

A great idea is nothing without a great execution.

[Polo]

Guild houses should not really be in the warptex. Its much better wor the server when they are on the overworld, and then you can make them capturable (Like the forts we used to have on Classic).

Heras are removed, and wont be readded. One of the major feedbacks I got was that players generally didn't like them. .

Ventrue is a lot of levels, but its not really taking up much overworld space. By contrast, the brotherhood guild fort (which is not player accessible) takes up 4 levels on the overworld in total, and so looks much mor prominent. This is probably what was meant when US were told it could not be too big.

The only LAT's from Ventrue I can immediately think of are Stev and Racil, and Racil was hired by me x-x.

Im always open to feedback/suggestions, but theres some things which are not really feasible or against player interest. When I refuse those things players just ask again and again and then say I dont listen to ideas x-x.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

The entire Ventrue guild caves are against player intrests, and should be removed until they look halfway decent.

[jacob_bald6225]

:-( I am not happy with Classic at all. On a scale of 1-10 I'd give it a -3.

If I were new to graal, and hadn't played before, and wanted to try out the servers... Classic would be horrible to me.

I say that Storm should pick a path to take Classic down, some will like it, some wont, and just stick with it, giving us actual updates to the server.

[Unpredlctable]

The newest entrance to the Catacombs and such - as far as I know - is by Bean's fairly oversized playerhouse (of the inside totals up to a hallway and a small room), which connects to the graveyard as well.

Originally Posted by Polo

The only LAT's from Ventrue I can immediately think of are Stev and Racil, and Racil was hired by me x-x.

There's Selflon of course.

[maximus_asinus]

I'll try and put my two cents in, and I'll try and keep out any flame based comments.

First off, I'd like to appoligize to Master Storm, I placed a large part of the blame on him, and I guess it was easier that way, he is the one in charge. I'm not saying that everything that's gone wrong isn't his fault, hardly. He doesn't do as much work as I'd expect from a Manager of a rereleased server, basically from scratch, but he's hardly to blame for some of the other things that has happened.

Now I'll get back on topic and take points from all these posts and try to fit it into one post.

Originally Posted by p2p_sir_link

First Post

Couldn't have said it better myself. US island was a part of Classic, and having it put inside the warptex would be stupid. In the long run, barring Classic does actually go downhill to the point nobody plays, that thing will be too large, and too complicated. Any guildhouse should be apart of the overworld. You'll ask, "Max, then why are you so upset about Ventrue's places? It isn't even really apart of the overworld, its 'below it'.". To that I say, its too large. Plain and simple. I think it is as large as the overworld, if not larger. The quality for these levels is poor, you'd expect more from something that been in the works for three years.

I also dislike how when we (US), asked about a guild house we were told the only way we were allowed is if it was put inside the warptex. Either that or we could place it inside a house. We weren't offered an option to place it 'beneath' the overworld (please don't say it was promised to be there, Tyhm has already posted and said he did no such thing). It was a take it or leave it option.

I think a guildhouse should be limited to a maximum of ten high quality levels, Not every member needs to have there own room, and if they wish to contribute, they can help design a level. You may say this is a rather small number, but I think you can get your point accross with ten levels.

Originally Posted by Malinko

Players can join any guild they please.

Ultimately it is the recruiter's decision to let in another player. As Kevin has stated, Classic guilds are harder to gain membership to as they have higher standards. I can't speak for all the guilds, but most recruit based on status. You won't see any 'newbies' running around on a afore mentioned tag.

Originally Posted by Malinko

What do you propose as a solution?

I wouldn't resort to immediately firing the Administration. I'd sort through and weed out the inactives, give them a chance to return, and then fire them. As for the server itself, unlike Storm, I believe in schedules, and assigned work would be expected back within a time period (reasonable, allowing for a couple days for delays).

The LAT team would be seperated into teams, I'm not sure on how many, but there'd be one for rebuilding hangouts, and making places/things that a player could use/do when there wasn't a GC on. The other would rebuild and remake old quests.

Storm wouldn't be demoted or fired, but there would be another person that could also dictate whats happening.

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

As for everything else, gather up some proof that other guilds are being denied the chances Ventrue are being given and then we can talk.

I haven't been able to play Classic too much do to a ban, but I can remember CO trying to get online (I think they were uploaded a week ago or so, but they were waiting for a long while to get uploaded). Then there is NOM. You may say they weren't ready because they weren't capable of being placed online, but neither was everything that Ventrue did. They were able to test things. Fix things. NOM was never given that chance. I could probably think of a few other guilds.

This is my first post, and I promise the rest will be shorter. I just missed this, and had to sum up all my replies.

[Evil_Trunks]

if you want to make US island compatible for the new classic just put this at the top of every single script

NPC Code:

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//#CLIENTSIDE

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you're done. it worked for ventrue.

[notoalpena]

Originally Posted by Polo

Guild houses should not really be in the warptex. Its much better wor the server when they are on the overworld, and then you can make them capturable (Like the forts we used to have on Classic).

well atleast shorten their entrances to the guildhouse :/
it had like 5 entrances just to get to one place,1 or 2 would be good.
Also Exodus remade the guild "Macabre" and had a guildhouse uploaded for it
he then deleted it and instead sent in a new+better one for the guild "Overkill"
he sent that about a month ago and its still not uploaded,even tho he deleted the guild Overkill he could just use it as VS guildhouse,ventrue is constantly having levels uploaded when other guildhouses never get a chance to be uploaded,CO's was promised to be behind angel clan but is now in a cave to the right of zols pub :/ ventrue is basiclly classic.