Log mass messages - Page 5

Dragonosteel · #61 08-16-2009, 06:43 PM

I agree with globals having access to logs in game. Definitely NOT server staff, though.

It would just be a disaster! This is what would happen:

Staff make fun of people over RC based on logs -> Staff that leak RC to their friends leak RC to their friends -> Their friends harass the player.

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Originally Posted by Bell

While screenshots and histories are ok as 'additional evidence.' They should never be used as the sole evidence. They are too often altered or submitted to look like the accused is doing something wrong.

UN GPs would like to have a word with you. I can think of at least ten occasions within the past year where I've seen someone get jailed over fake screenshots used as sole evidence against the player, even one of these cases happened a few days ago.

cbk1994 · #62 08-16-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonosteel

I agree with globals having access to logs in game. Definitely NOT server staff, though.

It would just be a disaster! This is what would happen:

Staff make fun of people over RC based on logs -> Staff that leak RC to their friends leak RC to their friends -> Their friends harass the player.

Which logs? Masses? Yeah, we could send the masses that everyone already received to others.

fowlplay4 · #63 08-16-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonosteel

I agree with globals having access to logs in game. Definitely NOT server staff, though.

It would just be a disaster! This is what would happen:

Staff make fun of people over RC based on logs -> Staff that leak RC to their friends leak RC to their friends -> Their friends harass the player.

UN GPs would like to have a word with you. I can think of at least ten occasions within the past year where I've seen someone get jailed over fake screenshots used as sole evidence against the player, even one of these cases happened a few days ago.

That's UN's problem, not other servers. Obviously if they have leak issues then they need to fire their moles.

But this is about accessing the logs of mass messages, which are sent to everyone and would definitely come in handy when prosecuting for people who are repeat offenders of spamming, harassment, flaming, and so on.

Crow · #64 08-16-2009, 07:24 PM

Whole thing's a bit tricky though. What if you just send a mass message to your buddy list? It would be considered one, but should it be logged? If not, how to decide if the messages are logged when a certain amount of people are left out of the mass message?

cbk1994 · #65 08-16-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

Whole thing's a bit tricky though. What if you just send a mass message to your buddy list? It would be considered one, but should it be logged? If not, how to decide if the messages are logged when a certain amount of people are left out of the mass message?

I don't think it's a big problem, because as far as I know, no one sends masses like that (please correct me if I'm wrong).

You could also use some arbitrary number or percent (e.g. 50percent of the server must receive it), but there's probably a better way.

fowlplay4 · #66 08-16-2009, 07:36 PM

If it's sent as a mass message, log it. If server's have problems with people snooping through these logs for no reason, deny access and/or fire them.

Low ranked staff (GP, PRs) don't need these logs readily available to them at all times, use the Admin of their section as the mediator by either giving them the section of the log they need or access to the file.

If the server can't trust their Admins (GP Admin, PR Admin) to use these logs appropriately, then they definitely have a problem.

Dragonosteel · #67 08-16-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

That's UN's problem, not other servers. Obviously if they have leak issues then they need to fire their moles..

I don't think Zodiac or any other server is immune to the RC leaking issue, though...?

salesman · #68 08-16-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

I don't think it's a big problem, because as far as I know, no one sends masses like that (please correct me if I'm wrong).

I send masses to a few people sometimes (such as my buddy list)

e: but I wouldn't mind if those were logged. If I wanted to send private messages to my buddies, I would send them all private messages

fowlplay4 · #69 08-16-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonosteel

I don't think Zodiac or any other server is immune to the RC leaking issue, though...?

We haven't had any problems with it lately, and we don't exactly have everything out in the open for prying eyes either.

Frankie · #70 08-16-2009, 09:28 PM

regarding the discussion of logging private messages, I want to bring up another question. do you think it's right to log player chat? I know Era has a system where they can log what you say on player. should it be allowed? player chat isn't always public. sometimes you could be in a level alone with a friend and decide to talk in-game instead of through PM.

cbk1994 · #71 08-16-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

regarding the discussion of logging private messages, I want to bring up another question. do you think it's right to log player chat? I know Era has a system where they can log what you say on player. should it be allowed? player chat isn't always public. sometimes you could be in a level alone with a friend and decide to talk in-game instead of through PM.

I don't think logging chat should be allowed, or at least not a "blanket" one that records everything a player says. I wouldn't be so opposed to one that looks for certain keywords, though.

I tried to get the entire chat logger removed during Deo's management, and again during Sales', but to no avail.