Graal2001 is the only reason I like Graal. - Page 2

Stephen · #41 03-06-2010, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

Because a lot of the developers were dragged over to GK, everything was retooled around GK, help was hired to make GK not suck, and everybody was lead to believe that GK would turn out to be the next big thing.

And for a while it was the next big thing.

There should be a limit on rented server slots to ~5 or less. The fewer places there are for developers to distribute across the more there will be on any given server. All of these nonsensical "under construction" servers just burn out interested workers before they become talented or more capable of pursuing their imagination. They're separated from the community and have less contact with more experienced users. Our important developers are tied up trying to manage their own servers or create fantastic new content.

If there was a solution... a server which can reward developers - effectively maintaining their interest and building a community of talent - while balancing the playing field for regular players. Paying and rewarding developers for their excellence is the most effective way, but the least realistic in the long term. I'm not sure how it could be done, but if someone could figure out a way, I think the results would be fantastic.

If developers earned a percentage of the profit earned from their content being sold in a cash shop it would definitely have the desired effect. Incentive for developers to not only create content, but more importantly, create competitive content.

Dnegel · #42 03-06-2010, 02:46 PM

Always wanted too played old Graal with many people on.

adam · #43 03-06-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dnegel

Always wanted too played old Graal with many people on.

Most of us prabably did. I hated it was always only like 10 ppl on back when. had the world to yourself for a while some nights. so lame.

Inverness · #44 03-21-2010, 05:04 PM

I'd just like to add that part of the reason I first subscribed to Graal was so I could ride the draisine on G2k1. That was so long ago.

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Originally Posted by Draenin

G2k1 was good until GS2 broke it.

Blasphemy.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

If there was a solution... a server which can reward developers - effectively maintaining their interest and building a community of talent - while balancing the playing field for regular players. Paying and rewarding developers for their excellence is the most effective way, but the least realistic in the long term. I'm not sure how it could be done, but if someone could figure out a way, I think the results would be fantastic.

If developers earned a percentage of the profit earned from their content being sold in a cash shop it would definitely have the desired effect. Incentive for developers to not only create content, but more importantly, create competitive content.

I agree with this. Even if the reward is relatively small, something is better than nothing and it would be a great encouragement.

Kamaeru · #45 03-22-2010, 08:44 PM

The main problem with rewarding developers is that the person who would be paying them does not get paid.

For example, I could make a budget for development on a server with my own money. It would be no problem to pay developers under the table for their work (other than that being illegal) other than the fact that I would be ultimately paying for Cyberjoueur's success and benefit and not my own.

Even to pay level designers or scripters something measly like 50 cents per level would be uneconomical. I still would consider doing it, and have considered it.

Stephen · #46 03-22-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamaeru

The main problem with rewarding developers is that the person who would be paying them does not get paid.

For example, I could make a budget for development on a server with my own money. It would be no problem to pay developers under the table for their work (other than that being illegal) other than the fact that I would be ultimately paying for Cyberjoueur's success and benefit and not my own.

Even to pay level designers or scripters something measly like 50 cents per level would be uneconomical. I still would consider doing it, and have considered it.

The system I describe in my post is self-sustaining.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

If developers earned a percentage of the profit earned from their content being sold in a cash shop it would definitely have the desired effect. Incentive for developers to not only create content, but more importantly, create competitive content.

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Originally Posted by Inverness

I agree with this. Even if the reward is relatively small, something is better than nothing and it would be a great encouragement.

Kamaeru · #47 03-23-2010, 09:30 AM

I just kind of don't like that idea personally. A player should not have to pay more than once to enjoy all of the game's content.

In any case, it wouldn't fit on Graal2001. Maybe you could convince me otherwise, though.

Mykel · #48 03-23-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by James

graal 2001 was the ****

You seriously just depressed me with the picture of that playerlist. =/

I remember when graal went p2p, and I heard all of these great things about g2k1, and then I finally got my mom to pay for an account for me. G2k1 was such an amazing experience.

I never got into Kingdoms (or Zone for that matter) so I can't use those two as potential basis of comparison, but no server has ever given you so much to do. Everything had a purpose. The map was fairly large, but there were actual reasons to go to way-off parts of it. And, it was a fun journey. The day/night system was well used. Anyone who spent any amount of time on g2k1 spent plenty of time outside of that stupid shop waiting for that stupid guy to wake up!

The economy was awesome. And, the market place is probably the best and most successful single idea that graal has had that I know of. It was amazing getting to sell things at your own defined price. There were seemingly endless ways to spend your time with an awesome player and staff base to go along with it.

Unfortunately, I just don't think Graal has enough players to make a g2k1 comeback all that realistic.

KrimsonSky · #49 03-23-2010, 05:15 PM

Revive it

fowlplay4 · #50 03-23-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KrimsonSky

Revive it

Won't be until the manager of it decides to be more open about it with the community.

Inverness · #51 03-24-2010, 08:13 AM

The server is getting a new manager whose identity will be announced soon.

Kamaeru · #52 03-24-2010, 09:17 AM

Well get me in touch with this guy. That's all I have got to say.

I've been trying to get to work on this server for long enough.

James · #53 03-24-2010, 09:32 AM

Mykel · #54 03-25-2010, 09:55 AM

I seriously hate you a little for posting that link to the playerlist, James. So sad. :[

gravator · #55 03-25-2010, 07:01 PM

http://web.archive.org/web/200104042...graal2001.com/

Takes time to load the page, but this looks like the very beginning of 2001, from the small update posts it seems like things were added a little at a time, although i'm not sure how often they were added in terms of weeks or months.

Stefan! I beg of you! Give us 2001 back or remake it with the new scrips and graphics of today! Sure the old community left, but there will always be young people looking for a fun new game to play, and what better game than graal 2001!

A great plan of action since the chance is right here for you, make a graal 2001 application for the Iphone similar to the classic one, and find someone that can work on the PC version the same way, this may bring graal back from the edge.

Brad · #56 04-01-2010, 04:59 AM

Haha, Elven Lands was so sweet. 2k1 was sweet too. Then Kingdoms came around and half of us just played to make some money off fools who bought items on an online game.

alarid0 · #57 04-05-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

I liked being a bomy. For about 4 minutes.

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Originally Posted by XyphosMisery

One of my first memories of Graal2001 was being a bomy and not knowing how to stop being a bomy.

Then I found out and had a great time.

Pfft whatever, my only account was a bomy the entire time I loved it

I don't think I once even tried to make a crossover to being human. Bomy from beginning to end, baby, and I had a bomy pet duplicate of myself for the whole ride through (hehe I took a lot of pride in that)

Draenin · #58 04-05-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

Blasphemy.

I don't mean GS2 is bad. GS2 just happened to screw up all of the scripts at once as soon as GS2 was introduced. When I was working with Lance on it for a little while, conversion was all that he was working on the entire time.

Lance · #59 04-07-2010, 07:18 AM

Graal2001 was pretty cool.

CheeToS2 · #60 04-07-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Graal2001 was pretty cool.

p. much.

ZanderX · #61 04-07-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Graal2001 was pretty cool.

yeah you're right it was pretty cool

like that time when i wrote that huge manifesto about some elaborate scripting system to fix 2k1's economy

or the time birdbird was in charge

or the bomy moon

or that time when antago released stuff and it was actually kind of cool but also laughably bad

or or or

the trains

or (insert other really cool thing about 2k1 of yore here)

SKJF91 · #62 04-07-2010, 07:46 AM

or the time when they made little bodies into big bodies and the downfall that followed!

or the time when that kid.. warlock something.. was able to spawn himself money?!

Brad · #63 04-07-2010, 04:22 PM

2k1 was cool because you could be the biggest ass on the face of the earth (me in my teenage years), yet somehow manage to get whatever you want from whoever you wanted. I somehow held pretty much every position you could possibly have on that server. I was a NAT at some point and I can't even script a door. Oh and as for the person who made the money glitch....hahahaha those were great times. I'll give you a hint: he had the sweet island house. CS and survivor were some of the greatest events ever too. Oh, and with my sweet talking skills I was able to create like 4 kingdoms which all were disasters but somehow the intelligent 2k1 staff allowed me to do so. Oh 2k1, how much I miss you.

SKJF91 · #64 04-07-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad

...

Was it Dark Warlock or something similar?

ZanderX · #65 04-07-2010, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad

2k1 was cool because you could be the biggest ass on the face of the earth (me in my teenage years), yet somehow manage to get whatever you want from whoever you wanted. I somehow held pretty much every position you could possibly have on that server. I was a NAT at some point and I can't even script a door. Oh and as for the person who made the money glitch....hahahaha those were great times. I'll give you a hint: he had the sweet island house. CS and survivor were some of the greatest events ever too. Oh, and with my sweet talking skills I was able to create like 4 kingdoms which all were disasters but somehow the intelligent 2k1 staff allowed me to do so. Oh 2k1, how much I miss you.

hi brad :]

Kamaeru · #66 04-07-2010, 11:04 PM

I liked the time when we named it Bomy Lands.

Stephen · #67 04-07-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad

2k1 was cool because you could be the biggest ass on the face of the earth (me in my teenage years), yet somehow manage to get whatever you want from whoever you wanted. I somehow held pretty much every position you could possibly have on that server. I was a NAT at some point and I can't even script a door. Oh and as for the person who made the money glitch....hahahaha those were great times. I'll give you a hint: he had the sweet island house. CS and survivor were some of the greatest events ever too. Oh, and with my sweet talking skills I was able to create like 4 kingdoms which all were disasters but somehow the intelligent 2k1 staff allowed me to do so. Oh 2k1, how much I miss you.

That's a satisfying tale I can appreciate.

James · #68 04-08-2010, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Graal2001 was pretty cool.

yeah because when you took it over it magically became a million times better

Brad · #69 04-08-2010, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SKJF91

Was it Dark Warlock or something similar?

Wait it wasn't Icehawk....wasn't it minoc....i dont remember actually.

Oh, and HI KAMUIIIAII

Loriel · #70 04-08-2010, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

p. much.

yeah, totally.

Brad · #71 04-08-2010, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

yeah, totally.

o hi.

Lance · #72 04-08-2010, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by James

yeah because when you took it over it magically became a million times better

I'm happy you feel that way, but my post just says Graal2001 was pretty cool.

GryffonDurime · #73 04-08-2010, 05:00 AM

Graal 2001 was pretty cool. It got me through my pretentious roleplaying snobbery phase with only minimal scarring. And it had a train that even sometimes worked. And it taught me the word drasine.

SKJF91 · #74 04-08-2010, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad

Wait it wasn't Icehawk....wasn't it minoc....i dont remember actually.

Oh, and HI KAMUIIIAII

I don't remember, maybe were talking about two different things.. because I don't think it came out until Lance was first hired there.

Lyndzey · #75 04-08-2010, 06:31 AM

I really miss my staff position as ART Asst Admin. For those of you unfamiliar with the position, it stands for Account Reset Team. Out of all the jobs I had on Graal, that is the most memorable.

JinZero · #76 04-08-2010, 07:50 AM

Graal 2001 was da greatest.

Zxion · #77 04-08-2010, 10:01 PM

I'm glad to see all of these old familiar names and know that they still check this place every once in a while.

I think that says a lot about what the community was like, although I don't know if anyone remembers me...

Kamaeru · #78 04-10-2010, 10:12 PM

That would be pretty lame if Graal2001 was re-released as an iPhone-only server.

It should probably be the first to be able to be played by both PC and iPhone players simultaneous.

Rufus · #79 04-10-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamaeru

That would be pretty lame if Graal2001 was re-released as an iPhone-only server.

That's not what I was saying, else how would that be any more fair to its playerbase opposed to letting it sit and do nothing?

Deeek · #80 04-12-2010, 02:54 AM

The experiences I had grinding my finger for hours mining for what little wealth I had on that server was amazing