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Old 10-14-2008, 09:18 PM
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Why haven't we got 25 moderators per forum section? That wouldn't "hurts" either.
Having a moderation team 5 times larger makes it 5 times harder to make sure that they're not abusing their power. It's not worth it obviously.

And no need to mock people when they make a typo.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:22 PM
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Having a moderation team 5 times larger makes it 5 times harder to make sure that they're not abusing their power. It's not worth it obviously.
Would it hurt?
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:25 PM
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There is no rule against moderators removing every single post in the forum they moderate either but they don't, what's your point here?
Yes there is, because that would be classed as an abuse of power and Darlene and Sam would be quick to pick up on this and sort it out ASAP.

And referring back to the previous section of your post, I stand by my point that an FAQ is not obliged to help out in any other way than by answering questions, just as a moderator is not obliged to do anything other than moderate their forum(s). However when we are considering how good a moderator is we can bring those issues into question, but that isn't what we are talking about. You brought up the amount of moderators there are, and have already mentioned that you are not filing a complaint about their actual capabilities as moderators.
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Would it hurt?
Uh yes, the answer is already in his post. It would be harder to make sure that such a vast number of moderators were not abusing their power.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:28 PM
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Why haven't we got 25 moderators per forum section? That wouldn't "hurts" either.
You don't feel childish by making me look like a fool? I've started to learn your first language when I was 40.
And to answer your question: because there are not enough people being able. In lack of good mods we have to take sometimes mods that shouldn't be that.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:35 PM
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Uh yes, the answer is already in his post. It would be harder to make sure that such a vast number of moderators were not abusing their power.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:48 PM
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Yes there is, because that would be classed as an abuse of power and Darlene and Sam would be quick to pick up on this and sort it out ASAP.
You're aware that moderators of these kind of sections are not prepped in any way right? You're aware that there is no actual set rule against it, much like your set rule for contribution, right? This stuff is common sense.

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And referring back to the previous section of your post, I stand by my point that an FAQ is not obliged to help out in any other way than by answering questions, just as a moderator is not obliged to do anything other than moderate their forum(s). However when we are considering how good a moderator is we can bring those issues into question, but that isn't what we are talking about. You brought up the amount of moderators there are, and have already mentioned that you are not filing a complaint about their actual capabilities as moderators.
Too many cooks spoil the broth. It's sociologically and psychologically proven that a larger group of people will make every member in the group feel less responsible. It's called diffusion of responsibility, look it up sometime. My point is that with so many more moderators, none of them will feel the need to be good moderators, ESPECIALLY since I don't feel that the amount on this forum is even necessary in the first place. A few good moderators are more effective than a bunch of mediocre ones, for the simple fact that having less will make the few feel more responsible. On the other end of the spectrum however, having too few will give them a sense of too much responsibility, and they start to worship the rules.

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Uh yes, the answer is already in his post. It would be harder to make sure that such a vast number of moderators were not abusing their power.
Using what you said in the current context, do you believe that on these forums corrupt actions are gone unnoticed, and how exactly would one abuse their "power" on a forum that publicly ousts the staff as soon as they do something wrong? I can't imagine that being hard to track.

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And to answer your question: because there are not enough people being able. In lack of good mods we have to take sometimes mods that shouldn't be that.
Yeah you're right, 25 people per each section of the forum would be pretty ridiculous in terms of resources, let's narrow it down to 10 people for one section.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:57 PM
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On the other end of the spectrum however, having too few will give them a sense of too much responsibility, and they start to worship the rules.
Guess who.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:45 PM
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Zone forums only need one mabye at most 2 mods, seriously Most forums only have 1-2 mods for the whole thing not 5 per section roughly half the zone playerbase is a mod..
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:57 AM
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:03 AM
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I'm a moderator because I expressed an interest of becoming one to Daniel. He said he'd send a Forum PM to Darlene.
It seems that the people that manage the moderators are the ones that have the problem.
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Old 10-15-2008, 02:20 AM
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Heh, I'm not sure what inconceivably spotless record you'd have to have to become a moderator these days.

Any thoughts? I know I'd never pull it off and I only have two infractions :P
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Old 10-15-2008, 02:28 AM
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This is the second and last time that I'm going address you on the topic, because you don't seem to be accepting the circumstances, and regardless of how many people keep telling you the same thing, you fail to realize the reasoning behind everything.

The Zone forums does not need five moderators. Now that we have that aside, let's address the fact that there are five moderators:

Does it hurt to have five moderators moderating one section of the forums?
Not if they're all doing their jobs without stepping the boundaries of their power.

Now that we've established that in an ideal situation having five people moderating a section of the forums would not hurt, let's address whether the current case falls into the ideal situation:

Are all of the moderators doing their job diligently, without crossing the boundaries of their powers and stepping into the realm of corruption?
Well, I can't answer this question, but this isn't the point of the thread, so this question should be dismissed off the bat. If you have a problem with an individual moderator, then you can take your claims with the forum administration about it.


Now that we have all of that aside, let's get into your logic (I'm going to summarize your points, I know that it's not word-for-word or anywhere near):

Rufus: A lack of moderation leads to an inactive forum.

This statement is false. Just because you're a moderator and your name is green in the active users list does not mean that people will suddenly gain interest in posting in the forums that you moderate. People gain interests on certain parts of the forums based on user activity. If a certain section of the forums is dead, then people won't be interested in it.This leads me to my next point: you don't need to be a moderator to promote discussion and to stir interesting events in a certain section of the forums. It helps if the moderator does this, sure, but you don't NEED to be a moderator in order to do this. In fact, moderator rights will do you very little in reviving a dead section of the forums since there are no active posts to begin with.

Rufus: Forum activity should not be left to the community alone.

The forums are for the community. A moderator can try with all of their will-power to revive a dead section of the forums, but without the community, the section will remain dead. It's up to the community to decide what section of the forums they want to post in, and it's also up to the community to decide what sections of the forums should be posted on. Now, I understand that an active moderator could promote forum activity, and SHOULD promote forum activity, but as stated before, one does not have to BE a moderator in order to do this, so you can't hold this statement solely for moderators. If you wish to try and revive a dead section of the forums, then bring up something interesting that might get people to post. If you're successful at keeping a section alive, then maybe you'll be rewarded with a moderator position to help make your job easier, but that definitely DOESN'T mean that you can't do it as a regular user.

I agree that moderators should try and keep the forums alive, but when it comes down to it all, a moderator can only do so much, which is why forum activity is based on the interest of the community members.

Rufus: People should be appointed to moderate dead sections of the forums:

Moderator positions in non-server specific sections of the forums should NOT simply be given to a person in HOPES of reviving the section. Moderator positions should be given as a reward to people that promote activity in these sections and that show an ability to properly enforce the forum rules. There's no point on assigning someone as a moderator that has not proven that they can take on the job effectively.

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Why haven't we got 25 moderators per forum section? That wouldn't "hurts" either.
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Well hey pal.. that doesn't matter.. because I don't see why there needed to be 5 moderators so I guess we're both confused here!

And since you've resorted to arrogant insults, I'm done with you, and I'm done with this conversation.
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Old 10-15-2008, 02:44 AM
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This is the second and last time that I'm going address you on the topic, because you don't seem to be accepting the circumstances, and regardless of how many people keep telling you the same thing, you fail to realize the reasoning behind everything.
This is all I read of your ridiculously formatted post, and that's because it shows signs of the last post which completely missed the mark. The reasoning behind the moderation of that forum is because of people sucking up; it's not supplying to a demand, and it's not because that was the jobs that they were assigned so don't suggest otherwise. Simply put, they asked for their positions, so stop being so blatantly ignorant to the actual context of the situation you're attempting to describe.
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:31 AM
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This is all I read of your ridiculously formatted post,
Sounds like someone can't accept defeat.

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The reasoning behind the moderation of that forum is because of people sucking up
I think someone needs to be taught the difference between earning trust and sucking up. And who are you to judge this? You don't even play Zone, nor do you know what goes on within the staff. Yet somehow your bold enough to say the 4 of us recieved moderation rights through sucking up? Wow mistake lol.
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I don't really visit this section of the forum
Whats this? ^

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Simply put, they asked for their positions,
Umm, again who are you to say this? Mistake #2, only 1/4 current moderators on Zone actually asked for their moderation rights, the other 3 had them given to them.

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Old 10-15-2008, 07:22 AM
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We should really have one moderator for every one player, couldnt be any worse then what we have now
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