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Old 10-14-2008, 08:26 PM
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Come on, man, be honest. I think if you had no interest in this thread that it would still be closed right now.
Now I think you're just pushing it because you want to not like Sam or something.
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When did I ever say you did?
You quite clearly implied it.
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I'm not trying to be mean, but that's the truth. I can be annoyed, and still be reasonable.
So then only close/delete threads if they break rules, not because you don't like them.
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Wrong, I also close/delete threads that offend others. There is no need to be offensive towards people, although some members love to do it.
I believe what he meant was that you supposedly close/delete threads that you have personal issues with even though it might not break any forum rules.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:27 PM
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When did I ever say you did?
Your post seemed to imply that I did. It certainly implied that I didnt reopen it because it annoyed me.
For your information, I didnt know it was closed until someone forum PM'ed me about it, and I told him that I probably would have closed it myself. There, you have the truth so you dont have to spout off about something you know nothing about.
Sam reopened it, and I had no problem with it, but yea, I probably would have left it closed.
Unixmad seems to have a problem with people arguing with the moderators about moderation, probably because that is something to be discussed between moderators.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:34 PM
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Now I think you're just pushing it because you want to not like Sam or something.
It's nothing against Sam, just the way moderation works. Having dealt with Sam and Darlene, they are very reluctant to admit they are wrong or undo anything. To be fair, Sam seems to be a little more on the lenient side lately with that, but I still stand by what I said. Had he no interest in this thread it would still probably be closed.
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You quite clearly implied it.
No I didn't. Dante posted that if it was a problem, that we should PM Darlene. Hence, Darlene was brought up. I never implied that she closed it, merely that she would not be the one to reopen it. Please, read my post again.

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Your post seemed to imply that I did. It certainly implied that I didnt reopen it because it annoyed me.
Exactly. No where at all did I mention you closing it. Nor did I imply it.
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Why would you have closed it/left it closed? Where did it break a rule? No one was insulting anyone, no one was spamming. It was a decent discussion other than the fact the one guy kept repeating the same thing over and over. Just because it annoys you doesn't mean it should be closed.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:38 PM
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The graphics forum has 0 moderators, and hasn't had one for quite a while. When we did have a moderator there who knew what he was talking about and encouraged activity, that forum did well and we seen some rising stars surface. The forum is now used to showcase work, which is not exactly development. I find it hilarious how hard it is to get some decent moderators appointed, yet we've got the small Zone forum with five of them.
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Yes, moving onto the matter at hand. Zone has 5 moderators because those moderators have a relation to Zone. Why would we need someone who is experienced in Zone to moderate the Era forum? It just doesn't make any sense. Just because the Zone forum is more 'well stocked' in moderators purely means that it is just lucky to have that amount of staff who are willing to help moderate this section of the forums. Hmm, forgive me, I'm rambling.

Basically, Zone has 5 moderators because there are 5 competant moderators available to do the task at hand (Well, maybe discounting Vulcan of course ). Other areas such as the Era section of the forums have less moderators because there are less people available to do the job. The other reason is that the Zone forums are well-managed and have scouted around to hire decent moderators, although in my opinion I'd have to agree that Supernanny is a bit trigger happy, Jesse only does event related things and moderates fairly...averagely (Sorry Jesse!), Dan just does whatever the hell he wants because he can, and I have no idea why Dante is a moderator.

So yes, I guess Dante and Vulcan should be removed from the moderator list, which would narrow it down to just 3 moderators, would that make you happy Rufus?
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:43 PM
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Why would you have closed it/left it closed? Where did it break a rule? No one was insulting anyone, no one was spamming. It was a decent discussion other than the fact the one guy kept repeating the same thing over and over. Just because it annoys you doesn't mean it should be closed.
Pretty sure I answered this.

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Your post seemed to imply that I did. It certainly implied that I didnt reopen it because it annoyed me.
For your information, I didnt know it was closed until someone forum PM'ed me about it, and I told him that I probably would have closed it myself. There, you have the truth so you dont have to spout off about something you know nothing about.
Sam reopened it, and I had no problem with it, but yea, I probably would have left it closed.
Unixmad seems to have a problem with people arguing with the moderators about moderation, probably because that is something to be discussed between moderators.
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I have no qualms with my Zone Moderation rights being removed. In fact, it should have been done quite some time ago. However, I think Rufus is simply looking for something to complain about in order to draw attention to what he believes is improper forum administration.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:53 PM
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I have no qualms with my Zone Moderation rights being removed. In fact, it should have been done quite some time ago. However, I think Rufus is simply looking for something to complain about in order to draw attention to what he believes is improper forum administration.
Agreed, Rufus has made a mountain out of a molehill.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:59 PM
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I have no qualms with my Zone Moderation rights being removed. In fact, it should have been done quite some time ago. However, I think Rufus is simply looking for something to complain about in order to draw attention to what he believes is improper forum administration.
I agree with that. Sorry Rufus.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:02 PM
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Uhh.. I simply asked a question which led me onto a similar thought so I broke it up. It seems as though everyone on this forum gets fired up when the word "moderation" is mentioned, and that is kind of sad to be honest. I asked a question that was pretty straight forward, but instantly I was being accused of criticizing staff, causing trouble, and looking for attention, just goes to show really. The truth of the matter is I don't actually think that the people moderating that section of the forum are necessarily bad at their jobs, it just looks a little overkill as it's not exactly the most active forum section here and it proposes the question of why there isn't more moderators in other sections of the forum. I did not make a mountain out of a molehill, I simply responded to aggressive responses from staff members. Oh well.

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Since when was it the job of a moderator to keep the forums alive? The community keeps the forums alive, the moderates simply moderate the posts for content that stretches the bounds of the forum rules. You're linking the inactivity of the forums to a lack of moderation, which is like comparing apples to oranges--it doesn't make any sense. If a certain section of the forums isn't active, then it doesn't need moderators.

Does this section need 5 moderators? No. Does it make a difference? No.

The moderators of this section of the forums have nothing to do with any other part of the forums, so if you'd like to see moderators added to other parts, then you're going about it completely wrong. Besides, again, your reasons for wanting moderation are invalid, for that is not the job of a moderator.

If you want other parts of the forums to become active again, then start posting in those sections. There's no point on sticking moderators in sections of the forums that receive little to no posts on a daily basis.
Firstly, you don't seem to be understanding what the purpose and benefits of having moderators are. By your logic, a member of the FAQ team on a server would be there solely for the purpose of answering questions, and has nothing to do with integrating new players into the community, or providing a good service to those in need, they just answer questions? Right, very attentive. You think that the responsibilities of a forum moderator is limited to reviewing content? Sure, that is one of the main aspects of being a moderator but not their sole purpose by far. I guess this is why people like yourself aren't dealing with players of this game more often.

Moderators are responsible for maintaining a the productivity of the forum, and for most of the part, a constructive environment. A breach of the forum rules would disturb the two factors I've just outlined, which would obviously require attention and that is generally what happens. Like I said though, moderators are responsible for maintaining productivity, whether that be through community activities, encouraging discussions, whatever. No moderator, nor administrator should just accept that part of a forum is inactive -- to keep the forum at a good standard, and so that all of the areas are utilized well, it is not up to just the members of the forum to encourage activity and it never should be.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:03 PM
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Pretty sure I answered this.
That post shows nothing but the fact you would have closed it. My question is why. Please show me the rule this thread broke. All you have said is you would have closed it because repeating yourself annoys you. But I don't see that in the rules anywhere. I'm not nagging, I just want to hear your thoughts on it.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:06 PM
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I have no qualms with my Zone Moderation rights being removed. In fact, it should have been done quite some time ago. However, I think Rufus is simply looking for something to complain about in order to draw attention to what he believes is improper forum administration.
I agree, and thanks for letting me know about your moderation position. I have no way of knowing these things.

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Agreed, Rufus has made a mountain out of a molehill.
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That post shows nothing but the fact you would have closed it. My question is why. Please show me the rule this thread broke. All you have said is you would have closed it because repeating yourself annoys you. But I don't see that in the rules anywhere. I'm not nagging, I just want to hear your thoughts on it.
Reasons dont always have to do with the rules. Sometimes I make a judgment call.
Read the part about unixmad, and you will see why I would have left it closed, or closed it myself.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:07 PM
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It's not the first time I've reopened a (by myself) closed thread and these threads were reopened on request of other members.
I know I am not dearly beloved and it does make a difference to me, but I am doing my job and that's it.
And to be honest, I like to discuss more than just post in a "person above you" thread.
In this case it's okay to take their rights, if Vulcan and Dante have no interest in moderating the zone forum anymore. But it still don't hurts anyone to have 5 mods in a forum.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:13 PM
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Firstly, you don't seem to be understanding what the purpose and benefits of having moderators are. By your logic, a member of the FAQ team on a server would be there solely for the purpose of answering questions, and has nothing to do with integrating new players into the community, or providing a good service to those in need, they just answer questions? Right, very attentive. You think that the responsibilities of a forum moderator is limited to reviewing content? Sure, that is one of the main aspects of being a moderator but not their sole purpose by far. I guess this is why people like yourself aren't dealing with players of this game more often.
How would an FAQ intergrate new players into the community? I made it into the community by logging on, talking to someone, making a friend and then making more friends through that friend, and so on.

And don't FAQs provide a good service to those in need by answering questions? Which is, you know, their job?

If moderators wish to contribute more to the community, then they are free to do so, much how I did when I was a moderator (Oh yeah ;D). However there is no set rule which makes them do that kind of stuff, they are there to do their job and nothing more.
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Reasons dont always have to do with the rules. Sometimes I make a judgment call.
Read the part about unixmad, and you will see why I would have left it closed, or closed it myself.
Then bring the mod vs mod to the mod board and leave this one as it is.

Anyways, I'm going to bring up what you posted before --
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He reopened it to give his input, and to hear others input.
I would have probably closed it, or would be closing it soon.
Threads like these become repetitive because some people cannot accept other peoples answers. When the same things are said over and over, and no one budges, it's time to drop it.
I hate repeating myself. It's a pet peeve.
Why should a thread be dropped because no one budges? What's wrong with standing your ground? What harm is being done? I agree not everything has to be in the rules, but if it's not it should only be done out of interest of the forums. I didn't see anything in this thread that was going harm the forums.

You mention it's a pet peeve so I think it's safe to assume it has a lot more to do with your personal feelings of the matter than a professional unbiased one.

I just think closing a thread is a very big deal and shuts the door on a lot of potential discussion, which forums are about. Given the activity of these forums discussions like this don't happen very often and to have it disappear simply because it annoys a moderator is a slap in the face to all of us.
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How would an FAQ intergrate new players into the community? I made it into the community by logging on, talking to someone, making a friend and then making more friends through that friend, and so on.

And don't FAQs provide a good service to those in need by answering questions? Which is, you know, their job?
The communities for most servers are not exactly the most welcoming, and neither are the majority of staff. Some people have trouble making friends and/or feel as though they need to know more about the community to fit in. FAQs do provide a good service by answering questions, but it's also important for them to be welcoming, because if they don't do so, then who will? FAQ is about helping people, not just answering questions and help can be interpreted in many ways, but in my opinion the best way to describe it is to try to make people happy, without doing so at the expense of others' happiness.

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If moderators wish to contribute more to the community, then they are free to do so, much how I did when I was a moderator (Oh yeah ;D). However there is no set rule which makes them do that kind of stuff, they are there to do their job and nothing more.
There is no rule against moderators removing every single post in the forum they moderate either but they don't, what's your point here?

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But it still don't hurts anyone to have 5 mods in a forum.
Why haven't we got 25 moderators per forum section? That wouldn't "hurts" either.
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