Gang idea - feedback needed

[Understood]

PLEASE READ ENTIRE POST BEFORE JUDGING.

Most people see that gangs can go in two different directions...static (what we have now)...where we constantly change leaders just to keep the name of the gang the same. Or dynamic...survival of the fittest -- if your gang cant take the heat, it will get replaced by another gang. But why not have a little bit of both?

One thing people want to see is themes. So we'll give them themes...but here's what I propose:

The Layout:

• Layout will be fair, possibly four corners...each gang is located in a themed area (asia town, industrial area, military base, etc).
• Each area is then filled with a few AWESOME bases, 3 or 4 that fit that theme.
  - Possibly one main base, and then 3 smaller bases.
• Gangs will control an area, not just a base.

Becoming a gang:

• In order to become a gang, there will be a competition period where parties (or something similar where you can only have 5 or so people, but we'll call them parties for now) compete to control the different areas.
• At the end of this period (1 or 2 weeks) the "party" who has the most points in a certain area will be promoted to the "gang" in that area.
  - There will have to be separate scores for each area (for the parties), as well as total scores for all areas combined (for the gangs).
  - For example, if a party recieves points in the industrial area, these points do not go towards their control of the asian area.

Advantages of being a gang:

• If your party wins control of an area, it becomes the gang of that territory. (Must match the theme, Gang Admin approves names or w/e)
• If you're in that gang, you have certain advantages: a bigger member limit, gang system with ranks and rights, access to the gang gun rack (see info on gang gun rack below), and possibly cheaper prices at businesses in that area.

The Challenge of Remaining the Controlling Gang:

• Each week there will be a minimum point mark, if your gang does not reach the mark, it gets one strike.
  - 3 strikes and you're out, and that territory is up for grabs again.
• If the territory is up for grabs, parties will again compete to gain control.

Other Information:

• In order to prevent gang hopping, adding members will COST POINTS.
  - This will prevent gang and party leaders from constantly adding people who leave, and they will only add those that they feel will regain the points they lose from getting added.
• Could possibly add other things to spend your points on...if you have any ideas do share.

Gang gun rack info:

• I can't remember who proposed this idea, but basically there's a rack in a gang base which holds 5 gang guns.
• The gang leader can give access to this rack, but only 5 can be used at a time.
• If a player logs off or leaves the gang, the gun is returned to the run rack.
  - This system takes gang guns out of the economy, and restricts them to their gang ONLY.

Advantages of this gang system:

• Constant competition
• Constant reason to play and be on tag
• You don't have to worry about inactive leaders.
• The themes and bases stay the same, so making new bases, gang guns, etc is never needed. The only thing that changes is the people who control each area.

PLEASE add any suggestions and/or comments.

I'm not too sure how points should be earned, and I'm not really fond of the idea of being able to lose points when you die or your base is taken over...all that does is promote running and cowardly tactics. So, if you have any ideas on how the points should work, post them.

[Freudian_slip]

Like I told you on player, I like the idea as long as the word "party" is taken out of partys. Basically in this system they'd just be small gangs trying to become a big gang, so theres no reason to have that word in there, expecially when you can visiablly see the difference between the two by all the extra stuff big gangs get such as WAY more membership, gang gun racks and possible gang vehicles or whatever else is planned.

[Eclipse]

Dont like the gang gun racks, and dont think we have a high enought player count to have 4 gangs controll areas

[Shotoo2]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

Dont like the gang gun racks, and dont think we have a high enought player count to have 4 gangs controll areas

That's assuming that the playercount won't rise as a result of all the new development.

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by Shotoo2

That's assuming that the playercount won't rise as a result of all the new development.

Thats assuming you wont lose the same or more players after the reset

[Shotoo2]

Originally Posted by DarkRenji

Thats assuming you wont lose the same or more players after the reset

The playercount always rises after Era resets. The thing is, staff in the past haven't done anything to keep people playing, like adding new content and updates regularly. We're going to change that.

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by Shotoo2

The playercount always rises after Era resets. The thing is, staff in the past haven't done anything to keep people playing, like adding new content and updates regularly. We're going to change that.

I see :P

[Shotoo2]

Originally Posted by DuBsTeRmAn

I've heard the Manager in the past say that too..

I like how you're suddenly acting like a rebel because your LAT application was rejected.

Anyways, obviously there's no way we can assure everyone that things will be different, you'll just have to take our word for it for now.

[Freudian_slip]

I'm kinda iffy about the gang gun racks as well, because like my gangs I make I want everyone having one because it fits my theme and since guns are going to be balanced anyway thanks to me and Meph, I don't really see too much of a need to limit them...

But I think the idea of them is kinda neat and it works for most gang ideas, mine are just "special" because I don't care if my guns good, I just want it to fit the theme perfectly unlike most players.

[Understood]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

Dont like the gang gun racks

Gang gun rack will be necessary, especially if the gang fails under someone's leadership...The guns need to stick with the gang, not will the players who might have been in it once. And to GC's comment: another possibility for spending points could be more guns for the rack? It just depends on the leader's priorities.

Originally Posted by Eclipse

and dont think we have a high enought player count to have 4 gangs controll areas

We have 4 gangs right now...it's just instead of only having a base to call their own, they'll have an entire area.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Understood

I can't remember who proposed this idea...

I did
I like the overall thing, would be very nice to have it this way I guess.

Originally Posted by Eclipse

Dont like the gang gun racks

Why not? The gangs will have their gang guns avaiable at all times, should there be a raid or something else.

[Sinkler]

The idea is phenomenal,
but this is us only talking about it.
If an Erian loses their gang, they will cry and complain.

Gang Guns would need to be equal in strength, and perhaps using one costs Gang Points?

Gang Helis/Cars would be interesting, but this was all ready discussed before.

Overall: B,
It's a great idea to talk about, but putting it on Era will be harder than fixing the mall.

[MontyPython]

Originally Posted by Sinkler

The idea is phenomenal,
but this is us only talking about it.
If an Erian loses their gang, they will cry and complain.

Gang Guns would need to be equal in strength, and perhaps using one costs Gang Points?

Gang Helis/Cars would be interesting, but this was all ready discussed before.

Overall: B,
It's a great idea to talk about, but putting it on Era will be harder than fixing the mall.

I think Graal is one of the only games where I've seen devs/staff make decisions based on players crying.

If they lose their gang, it's their own ****ing fault. They can deal with it, or quit. But just because they can break out a gigantic box of kleenexes doesn't mean they should get any kind of special favors.

[Understood]

Originally Posted by Sinkler

If an Erian loses their gang, they will cry and complain.

Losing your gang with this system wouldn't be like losing your gang with the current system...It's all part of the game...most people would just try to regain control if they're motivated enough.

Originally Posted by Sinkler

Gang Guns would need to be equal in strength, and perhaps using one costs Gang Points?

Guns will be better balanced after the reset, and I was thinking it could cost points to buy the rack, and/or add more guns to it.

[Freudian_slip]

Guns will be balanced after the reset...
Gang guns after the reset won't even be close to the ridiculousness they are now so there is no need to really limit them like they should be now considering their godly stats at the moment.

But yeah, the gang rack should cost points possibly to get and for each gun it has on it.

[Sinkler]

All right thanks,

To respond to Monty:
When players cry, staff get annoyed.
When staff get annoyed they can't work hard.
It took me a while to figure that one out...

[MontyPython]

Originally Posted by Sinkler

All right thanks,

To respond to Monty:
When players cry, staff get annoyed.
When staff get annoyed they can't work hard.
It took me a while to figure that one out...

When staff learns to ignore pointless crying/*****ing they no longer are annoyed and voila! Problem solved.

[Freudian_slip]

Well i think my idea should be put into effect till the reset though since it'd be a lot easier scripted than this and since the reset isn't coming for a very long.

These gangs we have now are so dated and such **** that they add nothing to Era anymore.

[Crono]

Parties are currently more "gang" than the gangs Era currently has and the ones you just proposed.

[DarkRenji]

We dont need the souls running ever gang

[hhdoubleharrasholy]

Sir, I like this idea very much. It could possibly bring new players to Era.
I love the whole idea, the leader could even give access to the rack to give the guns out if he/she isn't online. I think you should make it so the person upon joining also has to pay some type of fee, this will kind of make a joint force and everyone will be happy.
I kinda to miss when gang guns were untaglocked and it was your responsibility to keep them rare and hand them to the right people, but I understand why they took them out because so many problems were happening.

[Meph]

I like this idea.
Period.

[Vulcan]

Since the creation of this thread, development has already started on this project. We will be trying to have it completed by the Thanksgiving break.

[natchez416]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Since the creation of this thread, development has already started on this project. We will be trying to have it completed by the Thanksgiving break.

This will be a pretty heavy duty system. Who is scripting it ?

[Nonepwnz]

I f*cking love this idea. It's so damn good! I can't wait for this

I think that a business should get involved at each Area.
Lets say if you own the Military Gang, you will own a Military Shop at the same Area.

Where you sell maybe, guns/ammo and such things. And all the money you gain, will not be able to hand out to you or any other players. It will arrive to the Gang's Bank.

And with your Gang Money, you will be able to upgrade, unlock and purchase new things for the whole Gang. For e.g if you have a garage, you might be able to purchase gang Car's or maybe even Boats?

Maybe you can upgrade the Gang Gun with things to attach on it.
Or purchase new Hats for the Gang, we can say it should be 3 different hats.
If you gain enough money, well then you can buy them all. But will take you time.

About boats, I think you should create boats and have this idea on an island instead. With water around it, so you can drive the boat to another base or the main island.
Shoot from boats should also be able to do, and around 3-5 people should be able to join one boat.

The gang leader should decide who can drive the cars/boats and when the car/boat haven't been used for more than 15 minutes, it should be spawned back into the garage.

This sounds little crazy when I read it XD.. But maybe some of this could be able to do?

Also, you should be able to donate money ofcourse (to the Gang Bank)

[RaidTheSpade]

So does the gang gun change everytime a new gang takes over? And what happens when a family of elites ends up splitting so they control all the gangs on Era?

[Understood]

Originally Posted by RaidTheSpade

So does the gang gun change everytime a new gang takes over? And what happens when a family of elites ends up splitting so they control all the gangs on Era?

Gang gun remains the same. I doubt the families taking over thing would happen, but even if it does, they have to stay active to keep the gang. Odds are that they will get 3 strikes and be replaced.

[DKH89]

- This system takes gang guns out of the economy, and restricts them to their gang ONLY.

Thats probably my favorite part. This will make it to where you wont see people with ur gang gun, who has never even been in the gang.

Also the reset i believe will bring more people back because if you think about it, people starting this game right now have to resort to digging shells or minning to make 1k a day. These same people see guys out there with the million+ guns and causes them to just quit.
This will give everyone a chance to start fresh.

Anyway I do love this new gang system, It will keep the leaders on their toes. They know that if they go inative or start d*ckin around they will lose their gang.

Nice sales
keep it up

[Pelikano]

I like this idea.

Two problems tho:

- People will farm points.
- If your timezone sucks, you'll never get a gang.

Also I don't like the gang guns idea, they'll be overpowered again, or somehow unfair, I bet.

[salesman]

For gangs, points really don't measure anything other than activity...though, when you're trying to become a gang, it might be a problem, but it's unlikely. Points will be measured differently -- based on control of an area, not just kills.

The guns won't be overpowered, either...all guns are being rebalanced.

[DKH89]

Like I said, the new gang system i think will work great. itll keep everyone on their toes, not wantin to lose their gang

[RaidTheSpade]

So are the gang guns already predetermined?

[salesman]

Originally Posted by RaidTheSpade

So are the gang guns already predetermined?

Not yet, but they will be. They won't be much more than a novelty item to show off your gang though. I'm leaning more towards making them unique and entertaining (fun ganis and graphics) instead of super-overpowered and unrelated to the theme.

[Frankie]

sounds good on paper but I'm a bit skeptical that it's going to work well once implemented.

[Freudian_slip]

Originally Posted by Frankie

sounds good on paper but I'm a bit skeptical that it's going to work well once implemented.

Same, but sounds a lot more promising to me than Demisis's idea for gangs. So eh, give it a shot I say. Not like it'd be hard to put back in the old gang system.