Guild wars, Please :)

juice188 · #1 03-12-2006, 12:26 AM

Yeah, how long ago was it since you first told us guild wars will (Shortly *Cough*) be added to zone?
Somewhere along the lines of four months ago, but late last month we were given a glimmer of hope, Guild wars to come out in 2-3 weeks

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I, belonging to zone longer than most of the people who even come on these forums, am sick of the whole conversion based time.
I realize that one week in stefan's mind is one month, but can you try to get on the bat?
I also realize that zone doesnt have many staff members, but is this my fault?
God forbid stefan find normal players who are good at Level design from other servers and ask for help.
Complaining process is now complete, return to your lives or leave a post.

SayianOozaru · #2 03-12-2006, 01:02 AM

i think we need out own staff members...i mean look at gk, another gold server, they have actuall staff, and are able to get on rc to upload things, or to have events w/o permission...i think zone needs to be made like this...we already got a gat and a lat, so now we need a scripter and gani'r...there not that hard to find...and i'd like it alot more if i didn't have to post on the forums the gfx i do so that people can be surprised...instead of knowin ahead of time...but zone does need staff...stefan has shown that when it's just him runnin the server, not much gets done...yes it's because he's busy, but if he's gonna work on somethin else, i think he should hire someone else to complete it...just my opinion ;o

Bl0nkt · #3 03-12-2006, 01:26 AM

Yeah, if only Zone weren't full of immature idiots.

juice188 · #4 03-12-2006, 01:42 AM

Blonkt was that aimed at me and sayian x-x
Im not immature I am just sick of all this waiting, stefan just needs to find staff and I am sure many people would take the job gladly.

Bl0nkt · #5 03-12-2006, 01:59 AM

I wasn't calling any individual people idiots.

Zulu15 · #6 03-12-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SayianOozaru

i think we need out own staff members...i mean look at gk, another gold server, they have actuall staff, and are able to get on rc to upload things, or to have events w/o permission...i think zone needs to be made like this...we already got a gat and a lat, so now we need a scripter and gani'r...there not that hard to find...and i'd like it alot more if i didn't have to post on the forums the gfx i do so that people can be surprised...instead of knowin ahead of time...but zone does need staff...stefan has shown that when it's just him runnin the server, not much gets done...yes it's because he's busy, but if he's gonna work on somethin else, i think he should hire someone else to complete it...just my opinion ;o

Also, the more people know how to Script, the more people can apply to Graal, improving Graal itself so that Stefan is not as busy and also it would get him more money due to there being more servers, more uploads and probably higher quality and more ingenious things on Graal.

Also, opening up more staff positions encourages people to study scripting, which makes all the above happen and although the Graal scripting is at a pretty basic level, it could even fuel them form a career in scripting (Computer programing for those people who don't understand that scripting isin't just used in Graal, but in everything in the world and in Cyberspace).

So...basicaly, Stefan letting more staff on Graal actualy helps the human race! By a small bit, but something nontheless! And also it gets him more money, maybe one day he'll pay them.

zackary09 · #7 03-12-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

Yeah, if only Zone weren't full of immature idiots.

not everyone on zone is an immature idiot.

juice188 · #8 03-12-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zackary09

not everyone on zone is an immature idiot.

Yep, only about 95% of it.

darknesskido · #9 03-12-2006, 10:29 PM

im in the 5%

MisterMastermind · #10 03-13-2006, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

I wasn't calling any individual people idiots.

Damn, I was hoping I'd get mentioned. In my opinion bl0nkt would be a great gani person. In my mind Vulcan is the owner of the server. He knows us, we know him. He has time on his hands to help zone grow. Stefan "owns" this server personally, yet he's not on it 1/50 the time he is on others. 2 People per staff position would suffice so that we would get updates regularly. The last update was spar planet and christmas cookies. Spar planet lags and and Christmas cookies are still availible, in MARCH! Stefan needs to gather people from other servers, or make zone a classic server seeing as trials can do about as much as I can along with the fact that few people play it.

icemaster · #11 03-13-2006, 07:24 AM

about 95% of the world is filled with immature idiots

cant get pass that =/

i agree completely

zone needs some people to run it during the time, stefan cant handle it all by himself and i dont blame him

Crono · #12 03-13-2006, 11:33 AM

Zone has the highest amount of idiots on Graal. I'm not going to start naming people but its a proven fact. Era used to be #2 with UN being #1 but that was before Zone was released.

Players on zone are generally young and have no development skills at all. Some may have good ideas but that is not a development position on Graal.

ROFLOWNER U (IDEA MAKER)

Sorry, couldn't help it.

MisterMastermind · #13 03-13-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Zone has the highest amount of idiots on Graal. I'm not going to start naming people but its a proven fact. Era used to be #2 with UN being #1 but that was before Zone was released.

Players on zone are generally young and have no development skills at all. Some may have good ideas but that is not a development position on Graal.

ROFLOWNER U (IDEA MAKER)

Sorry, couldn't help it.

This could probably be counted as instagating a flame. Oh, and zone doesn't have the highest number of idiots, just the highest number that's known publicly.

Crono · #14 03-13-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

This could probably be counted as instagating a flame. Oh, and zone doesn't have the highest number of idiots, just the highest number that's known publicly.

It's not a flame, it's simply a fact. A mod want to challenge me? Go count the proportion of the population that fits your standard of stupidity and then check with other servers. Your results will not amaze me.

A flame is saying something like "x is a *******" or "x and y are stupid LOL"

Those are flames. Simply stating that Zone has the highest number (or proportion should I say) of idiots is not a flame.

MisterMastermind · #15 03-13-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

It's not a flame, it's simply a fact. A mod want to challenge me? Go count the proportion of the population that fits your standard of stupidity and then check with other servers. Your results will not amaze me.

A flame is saying something like "x is a *******" or "x and y are stupid LOL"

Those are flames. Simply stating that Zone has the highest number (or proportion should I say) of idiots is not a flame.

It is a blatant and un-needed insult. "If you have nothing nice to say, hold your tongue you insolent fool!"

Crono · #16 03-13-2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

It is a blatant and un-needed insult.

It was needed because most people did not take that into account.

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"If you have nothing nice to say, hold your tongue you insolent fool!"

That's stupid. How would someone get better at, say, level editing when no one can critisise (spelling?) someone else's work?

icemaster · #17 03-13-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Those are flames. Simply stating that Zone has the highest number (or proportion should I say) of idiots is not a flame.

technically it is a flame cause it is an insult, you could simply say a,b,c,d,e,f,etc are all idiots stating everyoone from zone is an idiot, thats the same thing u said in different form, the form u claim is a flame

its a flame nonetheless

and show me the statistics that graal players from every server has to take an iq test and state their main server? show me that and if we got the lowest iq, thats 1 thing

but your obviously basing zone off a few people, or the majority you claim, which cant be done since were 1 of the main servers played on

you cant compare a server with 90 people to a server with 20 people, theres only a few many people actually play

so i repeat, u DID flame and i agree with typhoon, it was completely unnecessary

just like people say un is a sex server, now ive seen a lot of ppl try to hookup on that, yes, but not all 200, maybe about 50, thats not the majority, hence its technically not a sex server

if u look at like...classic...with its like 30 ppl....if 10 ppl try and hookup,,,thats 1/3....same to un...

look at it that way, i pulled random data out of the air but u know my point

darknesskido · #18 03-13-2006, 09:19 PM

it sucks bein a zone player with a high IQ

MisterMastermind · #19 03-13-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

That's stupid. How would someone get better at, say, level editing when no one can critisise (spelling?) someone else's work?

Don't get me wrong, criticism is needed, but if you wish to point out the flaws you should also compliment zone and it's players.

Huwajux · #20 03-13-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

Don't get me wrong, criticism is needed, but if you wish to point out the flaws you should also compliment zone and it's players.

You don't know how ridiculous you sound.

VulcanP2P · #21 03-13-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux

You don't know how ridiculous you sound.

I think he's trying to say don't criticize without suggestions for improvement.

icemaster · #22 03-13-2006, 10:30 PM

also state the fact, theres a fine line between a criticism and an all out flame

Huwajux · #23 03-13-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

I think he's trying to say don't criticize without suggestions for improvement.

Hey, there are good and bad cops, guess which one I am...

anubis_wing · #24 03-13-2006, 11:32 PM

Bad....Very very bad

someonesomewhere · #25 03-14-2006, 01:24 AM

I remember when everyone was angry because Sweep Fleet had an unfair "terrain advantage."
And Stefan and Gambet were the only 2 staff members, to my knowledge.

And since Christmas 2 years ago, what has been done? The addition of 1 so-so planet, 2 crappy ones, and the taking away of on eof the better ones. And events, which suck so horribly they made me want to go play Unholy Nation. Of course, I regained my sanity and didn't play Graal at all, but that's beside the point...

This needs to be changed. I'm at the point where I laugh at However made Zone a gold server, because it's updates are about as random as what comes out of my keyboard. The fact that it is supposed to make money, yet has Staff members (excluding Vulcan) that can't relate to the players makes me laugh. (Sayian doesn't count because he does GFX, but can't upload anything; same goes for Darky.)

Make Zone classic; but keeping it as a Gold server with this kind of negligence by most of it's 3 actual staff members just isn't smart.

And my opinion, of course, may be totally wrong, but the way Zone is run isn't right, either...

MisterMastermind · #26 03-14-2006, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

I think he's trying to say don't criticize without suggestions for improvement.

Zomg, he can interpret jarrish.

Crono · #27 03-14-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by icemaster

technically it is a flame cause it is an insult, you could simply say a,b,c,d,e,f,etc are all idiots stating everyoone from zone is an idiot, thats the same thing u said in different form, the form u claim is a flame

An insult is not a flame. A flame is when you take a forum user and start to harass him/her over and over.

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its a flame nonetheless

No.

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and show me the statistics that graal players from every server has to take an iq test and state their main server? show me that and if we got the lowest iq, thats 1 thing

As I said before, go ahead and start looking around other servers. Although zone has improved, there are many people who are just idiots. They will -not- listen to you and run around and shoot anything that moves.

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but your obviously basing zone off a few people, or the majority you claim, which cant be done since were 1 of the main servers played on

No I'm not.

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you cant compare a server with 90 people to a server with 20 people, theres only a few many people actually play

That's why I said proportion.

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so i repeat, u DID flame and i agree with typhoon, it was completely unnecessary

I didn't flame and it was necessary because no one was getting it in their heads. Why else won't Stefan give Zone it's own pack of developers? It's own pack of staff?

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just like people say un is a sex server, now ive seen a lot of ppl try to hookup on that, yes, but not all 200, maybe about 50, thats not the majority, hence its technically not a sex server

It's not the same thing.

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if u look at like...classic...with its like 30 ppl....if 10 ppl try and hookup,,,thats 1/3....same to un...

I don't see how this is relevant.

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look at it that way, i pulled random data out of the air but u know my point

Yeah but I'm not talking about shere numbers, I'm talking proportions.

I.e 50/100 people on Valikorlia don't RP.

75/100 people on G2k2 don't rp.

etc

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also state the fact, theres a fine line between a criticism and an all out flame

Go learn what a flame is. Please.

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Don't get me wrong, criticism is needed, but if you wish to point out the flaws you should also compliment zone and it's players.

Hell no I don't.

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(Sayian doesn't count because he does GFX, but can't upload anything; same goes for Darky.)

But they are still staff regardless of uploading rights. How do you think G2k2 works? Only a select few have uploading rights and people go to them if they have something ready for being uploaded. Zone levels aren't easy to make.

Raeiphon · #28 03-14-2006, 02:42 PM

I dont think you realise how hard something with Zone's proportions is to code..

NPC Code:



function shootOne() {

  freezeplayer .20;

  this.angle=getangle(vecx(playerdir),vecy(playerdir  ));

  this.x=playerx+vecx(playerdir)*2;

  setstring client.mr90ammo,#v(strtofloat(#s(client.mr90ammo))-1);

  this.y=(playery-.5)+vecy(playerdir)*2.5;

  setshootparams #v(this.bulletdmg); //damage modifier

  shoot this.x,this.y,playerz,this.angle+random(this.maxan  gle1*-1,this.maxangle1),

    0,0,#s(mr90.bulletgani),;

}

A rather crappy gun script of my own. Shoots one bullet with fairly bad recoil. Honestly, something like shotgun would be around 8 of those, each with it's own individual setting and etc, and then you need to code the damage part. When you have close to 50 weapons, that's 50 statements in serverside, each with it's own parameters and sorts. It's an incredible and admirable feat.

Simply put, Zone too slow for you? Screw you. I'd like to see you try and code it faster.

Har. Compliment Zone and it's players. Excluding a few select people (Dark, Chrono, possibly anu or ixi), the rest are blabbing idiots who sit around and do nothing but scream at their monitor when they get "lamed" from "laming" someone. IQ doesnt mean goddamn thing. It's like your carbon footprint, but better known. Simply put, it doesnt mean a damn thing. I have an IQ of 124, you have an IQ of 6, who cares?

"also state the fact, theres a fine line between a criticism and an all out flame"

CC and flame are the same things. Look at my posts. I manage to insult at least one of you pathetic dregs and still give input worth reading.

Oh, and for those who cant be bothered to read my whole post:

IQ bad. Ugg. Flaming and critisisism is bad. Oog. Stefan code hard time not easy. Arf.

darknesskido · #29 03-14-2006, 05:37 PM

i hate big posts.

icemaster · #30 03-14-2006, 08:11 PM

just to let you know gerami, since most of your post quotes me, my statement stands because

when i first joined the forums i was INSULTED ok? i wasnt herassed, i was INSULTED, and people claimed it to be a flame, i INSULTED back and was told to stop flaming

and, if im not mistaken, i believe awhile back ixi got bant for INSULTING darky then a stronger FLAME rule was introduced seconds later

harassment might be considered a flame, but so are insults, as i just said

so...my points before still stand

and to the points you said have no relation to this, ill give you a second try, re-read everything i said, and you should understand, after all you clearly know everything

Huwajux · #31 03-14-2006, 11:09 PM

Flame is actually an insulting criticism or remark meant to incite anger, as on a computer network. Oh and that wasn't from dictionary.com, so don't go there...

someonesomewhere · #32 03-15-2006, 03:18 AM

When I code, it looks like cat barf. YAY.

Anyway, this thread has been hijacked by argueing people who have nothing better to do than spew insults at each other, rather than post, er, "constructive criticizm."

And besides, Stefan's one true flaw with Zone is completely relying on himself to code! It's not his fault that a complete lack of appreciation of his achievements is to tangible here, you can taste it! The fact that I'm bolding this means you should read it. As I have said before, Stefan isn't magic; he certainly as hell doesn't do this to bend to your every whim -- The sooner you realise his, the sooner you can enjoy life and not worry about, "Omg, Stefan is a lazy German piece of crap, I have no grasp of the work it takes to do anything more than fart, eat chips and type."

I'd like to see any of you code something up and say "Ha, owned Stefan."

(None of this is directed at Crono, Huwajux, Sayian, Raeiphon, or Vulcan; The majority of the rest of you, Shut the hell up.)

anubis_wing · #33 03-15-2006, 03:38 AM

Wow, sensible. People are complaining about everything but they can't even assist in something or anything in that matter. All they need to know is to suck it up and wait. Sure it's fine to ask every few days in a subtle question but making a thread about it to complain when you can't even do anything yourself.

juice188 · #34 03-15-2006, 03:55 AM

Good point made by cor, I didn't think about that and all the hard work he has done for us all.
And you are right, he isn't magic and he can't do everything. Thats why I think he should add more staff =[.

MisterMastermind · #35 03-15-2006, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by someonesomewhere

When I code, it looks like cat barf. YAY.

Anyway, this thread has been hijacked by argueing people who have nothing better to do than spew insults at each other, rather than post, er, "constructive criticizm."

And besides, Stefan's one true flaw with Zone is completely relying on himself to code! It's not his fault that a complete lack of appreciation of his achievements is to tangible here, you can taste it! The fact that I'm bolding this means you should read it. As I have said before, Stefan isn't magic; he certainly as hell doesn't do this to bend to your every whim -- The sooner you realise his, the sooner you can enjoy life and not worry about, "Omg, Stefan is a lazy German piece of crap, I have no grasp of the work it takes to do anything more than fart, eat chips and type."

I'd like to see any of you code something up and say "Ha, owned Stefan."

(None of this is directed at Crono, Huwajux, Sayian, Raeiphon, or Vulcan; The majority of the rest of you, Shut the hell up.)

We all appreciate stefan but we dislike how he's so reluctant to hire coders, even from other servers.

Raeiphon · #36 03-15-2006, 03:02 PM

None of you are programmers of anything, so it's reasonable to make these sort of decisions, however stupid they may be.

Each coder codes the way he wants to code. I may be hired into Zone as an NAT and be a complete waste of time because I code differently. Another thing is the ingeniuty involved in creating these weapons. Yeah, some of them suck, but many make up a huge part of Zone, such as appierces, or bluerifle, each of which, Stefan has created with his tender, loving touch.

Compare Era and Zone, similar servers in a sense, but look at the quality and style of each and you'll see what I mean.

Oh and:

NPC Code:



// NPC made by Stefan Knorr

if (created) {

  timeout = 1;

  this.leet = 1;

}

if (timeout) {

  this.leet++;

  message I 4m l33ter th4n 3v3ry0n3 x #v(this.leet);

  timeout = 1;

}

Ha, owned Stefan.