The New 16-Man Invitational Spar Tournament Thread

Jared · #1 03-02-2006, 05:48 PM

***Tournament date changed to March 5th (Sunday) at 8:30 PM eastern.***

I'm making this new thread because I'm no longer able to edit my initial post on the other thread, and because there are some important announcements to make.

First off, the tournament is no longer scheduled for March 6th (Monday) at 9 PM eastern. The tournament date has been moved up to March 5th (Sunday) at 8:30 PM eastern on the N-Pulse server, because of scheduling conflicts for multiple invitees. I recommend that all invitees show up at least five minutes before the scheduled start of the tournament, and please don't whine about losing your spot in the tournament if you arrive late and someone has already been substituted for you, because I don't plan to wait long before getting the tournament started.

Secondly, the participants are no longer going to be ranked 1-16. The order of the tournament spars will be chosen randomly prior to the start of the tournament, although I'm not exactly sure how this will be done yet. I'll see if there's some sort of NPC or something that can be made that will randomly display a number between 1-16 for all to see. I'll find some way to randomize the tournament that will be as transparent as possible, one way or the other.

And lastly, there are two new invitees that will take the place of myself and Josh (I haven't seen him in well over a week): Cyclone and Tyrant. If Josh is still around somewhere and decides to show up for the tournament, he'll be the first person chosen as an alternate, and I'll be the second. If more alternates are needed, I'll select someone of my own choosing from among the playerlist on N-Pulse (please don't whine or beg).

Also, be sure to check this thread from time to time, and this post in particular, for updates concerning the tournament.

Below is an updated list of the sixteen sparrers invited to participate in the tournament:

Ares
Brett
Chance
Cyclone
Deophite
Exodus
Halo
Neo Jenova
Pluto
Quick Strike
Squirt
Stella
Thallen
Torrent
Tyrant
Zeldaguardian

kenyonandelliot · #2 03-02-2006, 08:05 PM

NJ will win by a mile.

Deophite18 · #3 03-02-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jared

***Tournament date changed to March 5th (Sunday) at 8:30 PM eastern.***

I'm making this new thread because I'm no longer able to edit my initial post on the other thread, and because there are some important announcements to make.

First off, the tournament is no longer scheduled for March 6th (Monday) at 9 PM eastern. The tournament date has been moved up to March 5th (Sunday) at 8:30 PM eastern on the N-Pulse server, because of scheduling conflicts for multiple invitees. I recommend that all invitees show up at least five minutes before the scheduled start of the tournament, and please don't whine about losing your spot in the tournament if you arrive late and someone has already been substituted for you, because I don't plan to wait long before getting the tournament started.

Secondly, the participants are no longer going to be ranked 1-16. The order of the tournament spars will be chosen randomly prior to the start of the tournament, although I'm not exactly sure how this will be done yet. I'll see if there's some sort of NPC or something that can be made that will randomly display a number between 1-16 for all to see. I'll find some way to randomize the tournament that will be as transparent as possible, one way or the other.

And lastly, there are two new invitees that will take the place of myself and Josh (I haven't seen him in well over a week): Cyclone and Tyrant. If Josh is still around somewhere and decides to show up for the tournament, he'll be the first person chosen as an alternate, and I'll be the second. If more alternates are needed, I'll select someone of my own choosing from among the playerlist on N-Pulse (please don't whine or beg).

Also, be sure to check this thread from time to time, and this post in particular, for updates concerning the tournament.

Below is an updated list of the sixteen sparrers invited to participate in the tournament:

Ares
Brett
Chance
Cyclone
Deophite
Exodus
Halo
Neo Jenova
Pluto
Quick Strike
Squirt
Stella
Thallen
Torrent
Tyrant
Zeldaguardian

Wait....so your not participating?

Torrent · #4 03-02-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Deophite18

Wait....so your not participating?

Reread his post again.

kenyonandelliot · #5 03-02-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Deophite18

Wait....so your not participating?

Someone else is taking his spot.

ViCtOrEhEhEh · #6 03-03-2006, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kenyonandelliot

NJ will win by a mile.

No.

The Evil Within · #7 03-03-2006, 05:58 AM

Awesome, I'll definately be off on Sunday. :] Time to own.

Malinko · #8 03-03-2006, 06:37 PM

This will be interesting.

How about some sort of prize?

I'm sure we could arrange something!

Minoc · #9 03-03-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Malinko

How about some sort of prize?

I'm sure we could arrange something!

We?

WanDaMan · #10 03-03-2006, 07:22 PM

Gdlck evri1.

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Originally Posted by Malinko

This will be interesting.

How about some sort of prize?

I'm sure we could arrange something!

If you'd like to contribute towards an event it should be a public event where anyone can participate.

Deophite18 · #11 03-03-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WanDaMan

Gdlck evri1.

If you'd like to contribute towards an event it should be a public event where anyone can participate.

I think you are missing the whole point of this tournament. Maybe you should go back and read Highlanders original post. He also arranged it all on his own and he didnt ask for anything from anyone. Whether or not there will be a prize is up to whoever suggested giving one.

Polo · #12 03-03-2006, 09:03 PM

The problem with invitational spars, is that ultimately, it's based on one or a few people's opinion. It's impractical to suggest that those are the 'best 16' sparrers on Graal, and that's no disrespect to any of thier abilities, because quite simply, those making the decisions don't know every singles players current ability.

Deophite18 · #13 03-03-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Polo

The problem with invitational spars, is that ultimately, it's based on one or a few people's opinion. It's impractical to suggest that those are the 'best 16' sparrers on Graal, and that's no disrespect to any of thier abilities, because quite simply, those making the decisions don't know every singles players current ability.

Well like he said, it was based on several things not just who he thought should be in it. Everytime a thread like this is made there are always people who post saying i can beat this guy or that guy. The fact that you can beat one guy doesnt meen anything. To be a good sparrer you need to be consistent. You need to be able to go through tournaments and beat a variety of opponents such as Laggers, Delayers and people with actual skill. The average sparrer cannot do that. That's whats seperates the best sparrers from the good ones who can occasionally get the best of someone on this list. To anyone who posted disagreeing with this list: Instead of complaining that you can beat half the people here, why dont you just prove it and enter tournaments like everyone else and win...if you can. In case you havent noticed in most tourneys on all servers you ussually have the same winners every month week etc.. out of a certain group. And don't use that you didnt enter as an excuse.

Infernix · #14 03-04-2006, 12:56 AM

This thread of based off opinions no matter what you say. Fact is there is more than 16 good sparers on graal that can be consistent. Infact if you noticed anything a lot of people on the list are just in some lil "click" in which they always seem to spar each other on and off. They are good but I damn well no there is no such thing as the best on graal.

Polo · #15 03-04-2006, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Deophite18

Well like he said, it was based on several things not just who he thought should be in it. Everytime a thread like this is made there are always people who post saying i can beat this guy or that guy. The fact that you can beat one guy doesnt meen anything. To be a good sparrer you need to be consistent. You need to be able to go through tournaments and beat a variety of opponents such as Laggers, Delayers and people with actual skill. The average sparrer cannot do that. That's whats seperates the best sparrers from the good ones who can occasionally get the best of someone on this list. To anyone who posted disagreeing with this list: Instead of complaining that you can beat half the people here, why dont you just prove it and enter tournaments like everyone else and win...if you can. In case you havent noticed in most tourneys on all servers you ussually have the same winners every month week etc.. out of a certain group. And don't use that you didnt enter as an excuse.

I made it specific in my post that I was not slating those 16 players skill. I made no mention as to whether I can/cannot beat any of them, but either way, that's irrelevant. I was in no way saying that I should be on the list either.

My point is that someone can talk to a few people, get 16 names, put them up in an invitational spar, and many people will assume they are the best 16 (or very close, lets say 16 of the top 32), and that the winner of it is undisputedly the greatest sparrer. People form cliques of spar partners, have favourite servers of which they will experience a greater range of players, and have white whales which will affect thier judgement in choosing these 16. The people listed are probably in the upper few percent in terms of ability, but to say they are the 'best', is not always accurate. In reality, theres probably 100 or more players (and I'd err largely on the more side) who could have been on a list like this. At the end of the day, there very little variation between the top fighters, and its all gonna come down to who's having the luck on the day.

It's was more just an opinion I wanted to get across. As I said before, no disrespect to anyone in that list, they are all great sparrers.

Deophite18 · #16 03-04-2006, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Polo

I made it specific in my post that I was not slating those 16 players skill. I made no mention as to whether I can/cannot beat any of them, but either way, that's irrelevant. I was in no way saying that I should be on the list either.

My point is that someone can talk to a few people, get 16 names, put them up in an invitational spar, and many people will assume they are the best 16 (or very close, lets say 16 of the top 32), and that the winner of it is undisputedly the greatest sparrer. People form cliques of spar partners, have favourite servers of which they will experience a greater range of players, and have white whales which will affect thier judgement in choosing these 16. The people listed are probably in the upper few percent in terms of ability, but to say they are the 'best', is not always accurate. In reality, theres probably 100 or more players (and I'd err largely on the more side) who could have been on a list like this. At the end of the day, there very little variation between the top fighters, and its all gonna come down to who's having the luck on the day.

It's was more just an opinion I wanted to get across. As I said before, no disrespect to anyone in that list, they are all great sparrers.

You may not have come out and said you could beat these people but you were thinking it. I know, because i remember your last post when the WGFC was going on and that is exactly what you said. It is not unreasonable to say the majority of these people are the top 16. Active i meen. There arent THAT many people that play graal and a lot of the people on this list play multiple servers. When you subtract all the players that dont spar at all you dont have a whole lot left. The rest spend there time sparring in the main arenas on diff servers or in tourneys. So the people who spar the most on multiple servers could easily come up with a list like this. To say there is 100 more players that could be on this list is crazy...maybe 15 tops that would be worth adding or replacing.

warp2ukew · #17 03-04-2006, 04:29 PM

I could beat a lot of people on that list, including Highlander and Josh. I have before, and I continue to whenever I log on N-Pulse.

The only way to do something like this would be to have a open qualifier and then go from there.

Jared · #18 03-04-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by warp2ukew

I could beat a lot of people on that list, including Highlander and Josh. I have before, and I continue to whenever I log on N-Pulse.

The only way to do something like this would be to have a open qualifier and then go from there.

You could beat me, since you've done it once before in a tag team spar, and you can continue to beat me if you log on to N-Pulse enough. That's true. But have you forgotten that day on N-Pulse when I beat you 4-0 in the finals of two ET tourneys and you begged me to let you win a spar? Have you forgotten that you've never beaten me in a head-to-head spar, and I've beaten you in every other tag team spar we've faced each other in? Stop spreading your lies and find a new game to play, because you're horrible at this one.

Oh, and btw, the only way to do this isn't to have an open qualifier. It wouldn't be an invitational tournament then. I'll invite whoever I please, which won't include you since you're not even among the top fifty sparrers on Graal (not just in my own mind, but no one else thinks you're any good, either).

Thallen · #19 03-04-2006, 06:56 PM

I can't understand how you all can argue so passionality over who is 'the best sparrer' on Graal. Sparring isn't the most difficult thing there is, there's three stages, being new, being decent, and being good. Sparring doesn't attract me near as much as it does anymore because of all of the modifications people use to 'enhance' how good they are, and then the excuse, which only these modifications initially create. People use minor speed, people lag themselves, and it's just not worth arguing over. If you think you're the best, trust me, you're not. Anyone on this 16-player list can be beaten by a 'top 50 sparrer' at different rates, some players are better against others, there is no medium to judging who's 'the best.' People should get over themselves, and more than argue over who the best is, argue over the sparrers who they actually appreciate for being legitimate in the way they spar...

Luda · #20 03-04-2006, 08:07 PM

im the best sparrer

ViCtOrEhEhEh · #21 03-04-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Luda

im the best sparrer

You are.

Malinko · #22 03-04-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WanDaMan

Gdlck evri1.

If you'd like to contribute towards an event it should be a public event where anyone can participate.

We could do this too!

Crono · #23 03-05-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Thallen

I can't understand how you all can argue so passionality over who is 'the best sparrer' on Graa...argue over the sparrers who they actually appreciate for being legitimate in the way they spar...

I couldn't have said it better myself. I basically agree with everything Thallen said.

olol grawl lan spar party~~~

Jared · #24 03-05-2006, 06:21 AM

Brett and Squirt aren't going to be able to make the tournament, so myself and Josh will take their places. Josh showed up on Graal yesterday for the first time in two weeks or more. This is the final list of invitees and it includes:

Ares
Chance
Cyclone
Deophite
Exodus
Halo
Highlander
Josh
Neo Jenova
Pluto
Quick Strike
Stella
Thallen
Torrent
Tyrant
Zeldaguardian

Malinko · #25 03-05-2006, 04:13 PM

Good luck to all who are in the tournament.

(Go Chance! Go Deophite! Go Stella! Go Thallen! Go Zeldaguardian!)

warp2ukew · #26 03-05-2006, 05:43 PM

Why are you rooting for the people who won't win. The only person you mentioned who might win was Thallen, but the others aren't good enough to beat most of the poeple on the list.

The Evil Within · #27 03-05-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by warp2ukew

Why are you rooting for the people who won't win. The only person you mentioned who might win was Thallen, but the others aren't good enough to beat most of the poeple on the list.

Considering I ranked #3 by beating most of those people on that list I think your research is a bit off....

Note: Chance might not be making the tourney tonight, and if he does there is a 98% chance that he will be on acid, so yeah....look for a 3rd sub just incase.

warp2ukew · #28 03-05-2006, 11:33 PM

I don't even know who you are, and if were the guy in Divine, I beat you when you joined.

Polo · #29 03-05-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deophite18

You may not have come out and said you could beat these people but you were thinking it. I know, because i remember your last post when the WGFC was going on and that is exactly what you said. It is not unreasonable to say the majority of these people are the top 16. Active i meen. There arent THAT many people that play graal and a lot of the people on this list play multiple servers. When you subtract all the players that dont spar at all you dont have a whole lot left. The rest spend there time sparring in the main arenas on diff servers or in tourneys. So the people who spar the most on multiple servers could easily come up with a list like this. To say there is 100 more players that could be on this list is crazy...maybe 15 tops that would be worth adding or replacing.

Actually no, I wasn't thinking that at all. I've probably only sparred maybe 2 of the people on that list, and I don't remember who won. I havn't actively sparred for some 4 years now, so I wouldn't think I'm up to scratch anymore (if ever).

My point is that these things are always based on opinion, yet talked about like they are fact.

ViCtOrEhEhEh · #30 03-06-2006, 05:29 AM

AND THE WINNER IS: NOT HL LOLOLLL STELLAA WINSSSS!!!! OWNT LOL!!! AHAHHAH LMFAOO STELLA WON!!!!!

STELLA! not HL!

edit: The world is going to end soon since Stella beat Cyc, Thall, Hl, and someone else. Its in the bible. bye guys!

Cyclone · #31 03-06-2006, 06:25 AM

vic dont forget about Exodus... haha

ViCtOrEhEhEh · #32 03-06-2006, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyclone

vic dont forget about Exodus... haha

Oh yea. lol. But thats crazy wtf? Stella owning...end of the world is comming.