graal v3?

Smoke2k3 · #1 05-02-2003, 01:00 AM

Wassent graal v.3 going to come today (1st may)??

melissa1988 · #2 05-02-2003, 01:51 AM

I don't recall anyone saying that, but nothing ever comes out when promised for Graal anyway.

Dude6252000 · #3 05-02-2003, 01:52 AM

It's usually about a day late, for final preparations. :o

Smoke2k3 · #4 05-02-2003, 02:43 AM

lol yea i know graal use to be a little after, but i asked stefan and he asid 1st may

kenyonandelliot · #5 05-02-2003, 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by Smoke2k3
lol yea i know graal use to be a little after, but i asked stefan and he asid 1st may

Just wait! Hold your horses for god sakes! Hes probaly getting ready right now. Oh wait its may 2nd where hes at.

Spark910 · #6 05-02-2003, 05:52 PM

Lots of things don't come out the day they are supposed to. GameConsoles and games only do come out as they set a date giving them selves about 3-4months of spare time between completion and release, so that there are no unhappy people.

melissa1988 · #7 05-02-2003, 07:29 PM

But Graal's always been late with everything that is released. :P

Smoke2k3 · #8 05-02-2003, 07:46 PM

ell yea i know they r slow in graal , but they should hurry up more..

adam · #9 05-02-2003, 07:54 PM

I'm Sure it'll be a few months. >.<

voicedcow6666 · #10 05-02-2003, 08:28 PM

Heh, Stefan told me it would be released in late March.

melissa1988 · #11 05-02-2003, 08:37 PM

And when it IS finally released...we'll probably have to wait 3 more months for the Linux port...Stefan needs some helper coders...hehe

draygin · #12 05-02-2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by melissa1988
And when it IS finally released...we'll probably have to wait 3 more months for the Linux port...Stefan needs some helper coders...hehe

I was under the impression that v3.0 worked with Linux as it was and didnt need any special modifications. Perhaps I was mistaken

Dach · #13 05-02-2003, 08:44 PM

version 3 will be written entirely in C, and if I'm not mistaken that means it will work on linux and mac (I could easily be mistaken, I know little about compatibility of OSs)

melissa1988 · #14 05-02-2003, 10:42 PM

No...he said that the standard windows port would come first. Then the Mac and Linux versions would come sometime later.

There's no such thing as a program that's compiled to work with all OSes. A program is compiled to work with a specific OS, among other things such as a CPU family.

The Linux and Mac versions will each have to be compiled separately.

This brings another question...Stefan will have to decide whether to just release the source for the linux version or to use a binary package like RPM. If he uses RPM, people using Gentoo aren't gonna be too happy, namely Loriel. Releasing it as source code poses some problems since Graal is closed source. For you non-linux users, linux doesn't just use installation shield programs like windows and macOS does.

BTW, C++, not C.

Loriel · #15 05-03-2003, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by melissa1988
No...he said that the standard windows port would come first. Then the Mac and Linux versions would come sometime later.

Last I talked to him, he said the Linux version would come out this weekend though.

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This brings another question...Stefan will have to decide whether to just release the source for the linux version or to use a binary package like RPM. If he uses RPM, people using Gentoo aren't gonna be too happy, namely Loriel. Releasing it as source code poses some problems since Graal is closed source.

I am pretty sure they said they won't release the source, as too much of Graal's security is still clientside.
RPM would indeed suck, but I think I can install RPM on Gentoo too

He should make an ebuild

Dach · #16 05-03-2003, 04:53 AM

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With this release, Graal will work also on Linux and Macintosh computers!

Ahh, see like I said I know little about compatability so when I read that I didn't quite get it... Why do I all of a sudden feel like a little kid?

Ibonic · #17 05-03-2003, 05:50 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
So you dudes are telling me that Gentoo users have to compile all their own software? That seems pretty weird... Surely it compiles into an executable, so why not just distribute that?

Also: Programs can be made that can be successfully compiled on multiple platforms/operating systems. Graal, however, is a little more OS-specific. Most games have lots of code that interacts with a specific Windows API (opening Windows, sending network messages etc), and they'll need some degree of modification if they're to compile on other platforms.

well, you don't have to compile everything, but it can customize each package (automatically in some cases) to your specifications, which can make a big difference in performance depending on hardware and other things

it's not so much for OS-specific customizing as it is for optimization etc.

Ibonic · #18 05-03-2003, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Fair enough, so what's the problem? Stefan can release it precompiled, no?

the main problem is just that some/most people who use gentoo especially, won't like a precompiled version as much because it restricts the customization; but yes, there are ways to do it (ebuild as Loriel mentioned would be nice because it works with portage, and doesn't have to be open source, with the -b flag for example)

daboo · #19 05-03-2003, 07:23 AM

or maybe he could just release it in a G-Zipped Tarball? :P (pre-compiled of course, if it works for Windows, it can work for linux...). There are resources for making programs in C/C++ that can be compiled on many different platforms/os's with little or no effort (prob just some #define's #ifdef's), the binaries of course won't work from system to system, but it can be compiled system to system. There are programs in on linux that have installers for non OSS after all, such as Star Office.

melissa1988 · #20 05-03-2003, 07:25 AM

Yeah. I was being pretty basic in my explanation. Ebuild would be fine for Gentoo, but for SuSE, Mandrake, and Red Hat users especially, RPM is needed. But then there's the issue of dependencies...Stefan will either need to include all the dependencies or make sure there's a way to get them. Depending on what is needed, many users might already have them. I just think it could get a little messy. Of course, dependency issues apply to source too.

melissa1988 · #21 05-04-2003, 07:27 PM

Told ya Graal Linux wouldn't be out this weekend.

Admins · #22 05-05-2003, 07:33 PM

The are nice tools on Linux like 'rsync', we will probably make a little script for downloading the latest files (compressed)

melissa1988 · #23 05-05-2003, 11:38 PM

Ah okay...similar to the way Nvidia is now releasing its drivers?

Projectshifter · #24 05-08-2003, 06:46 AM

Okay okay... arg.
It's written in C++ by the way. And he's working on a new Scripting engine, adding new commands and such. New things to play with XP. But C++ is VERY portable. No, portable doesn't mean TRANSportable, it means able to be switched to OS's. But you wouldn't have to change much.
---Shifter

Admins · #25 05-17-2003, 08:20 PM

Yes there is the programming language, graphics, sounds, keyboard, networking, installation of the program. We decided to use tools made by Loki for making the installation easy on Linux.