Oasis??

[Matman58]

Uhm...I know this is probably a stupid question but whatever happened to Oasis Playerworld? I haven't heard anything about it for a long time. Just wonderin if it is still get worked on and stuff. If so could you Koni please post some more screens or something.

[Jinx]

I do believe it is currently up as a private server.

-Jinx

[konidias]

I'm not posting screens anymore.. as it seems too many people want to steal my graphics (ie the dozen pw's and amateur online games that have copied the style or tiles or characters)

However, I can tell you I'm still working hard on it, and I just need to wait for Stefan to release the new exe with more gani attributes so I can get down to serious business. I've been planning and replanning my systems.

Just recently I redocumented my magic system, hp/damage system, and melee system. Once I can add the needed attributes, I will be making all the stuff that has to do with items. (dropping, carrying, using, picking up) Then I can begin work on battling, which shouldn't take me too long since I have it all written down.

After that it will be a smooth ride, and it would progress VERY fast. The only reason for the slow progress is that I have been busy with life things, and that I'm waiting for Stefan to add those darned attributes.

[Shadow Knight]

Originally posted by konidias
and that I'm waiting for Stefan to add those darned attributes.

Evildred144: me too =/ it cant be that hard but I guess vacations a excuse

[Matman58]

You have any idea when Stefan will release the new version??

[sage_chaozu]

Originally posted by konidias
I'm not posting screens anymore.. as it seems too many people want to steal my graphics (ie the dozen pw's and amateur online games that have copied the style or tiles or characters)

Woah woah woah woah WOAH! Stop right there buddy. So your telling me no one has ever done that style of pixelation before? Bah you got to be kidding me. Before you there was pixel-zone.net and the pixelation forums, and before that, there were amateur online games. Even now the amateur online games look similar to yours, or do yours look similar to theres? WHO KNOW'S! What I'd like for you to do is actually have faith in people that they won't steal your stuff. Not everyone is like that.

Also, it sounds as if your saying your graphics are the best in the world and everyone's stealing or copying the style of them... Well... anime is a form of art in japan... so I believe your copying them. What about the millions of japanese graphic artists who are 13-16 years old and make sprites similar to yours. Are you going to blame them for stealing your stuff and/or copying you when A) They can't speak your language and B) They don't even know who you are? You seriously are an egotistical maniac sometimes, and your paranoia about "Everyone's out to steal my stuff so i can't be generous" is getting quite annoying.

[konidias]

Originally posted by sage_chaozu


Woah woah woah woah WOAH! Stop right there buddy. So your telling me no one has ever done that style of pixelation before? Bah you got to be kidding me. Before you there was pixel-zone.net and the pixelation forums, and before that, there were amateur online games. Even now the amateur online games look similar to yours, or do yours look similar to theres? WHO KNOW'S! What I'd like for you to do is actually have faith in people that they won't steal your stuff. Not everyone is like that.

Also, it sounds as if your saying your graphics are the best in the world and everyone's stealing or copying the style of them... Well... anime is a form of art in japan... so I believe your copying them. What about the millions of japanese graphic artists who are 13-16 years old and make sprites similar to yours. Are you going to blame them for stealing your stuff and/or copying you when A) They can't speak your language and B) They don't even know who you are? You seriously are an egotistical maniac sometimes, and your paranoia about "Everyone's out to steal my stuff so i can't be generous" is getting quite annoying.

Okay, you completely misunderstood. I don't think EVERYONE is stealing my art. What do you mean I'm copying anime? My characters look NOTHING like anime art.

Let me put this into words that you can understand. My art IS distinct. I know there are people that make pixel graphics, I know there are other games, wtf are you talking about? If you think I believe ALL of those people are copying me, you're the maniac.

It's not like I'm paranoid, I'm not the only one that notices when people copy my art. If you look around the forums you will see people saying "that looks like Oasis' roof" "that looks like an Oasis character". I don't give a flying flip if someone makes graphics like mine, when they have never seen mine before.

It's completely different when the people making this art, have SEEN my art, and also play Graal. For example, a person makes a character, using the exact RGB values as mine, the same head shape/design, and the same clothing style, even brown jacket with a green undershirt. As if that weren't enough evidence, they are making a PLAYERWORLD FOR GRAAL.

I just find it odd that there have been 4-5 different people trying the same style, in the same game, with the same colors. I don't think it's the best art in the world, I NEVER said that. I just think people have been copying my art a lot. That doesn't mean my art is the greatest.

[UrashimaX]

Koni, how can you work on Oasis if you are always at these forums?

[screen_name]

i notice it too koni, i've seen some people post their "own" characters that have the coat and colors and everything, lol


its just stupid, atleast try to make it look like your work

[konidias]

Originally posted by UrashimaX
Koni, how can you work on Oasis if you are always at these forums?

I make like less than 10 posts a day on the forums... I'm not always at the forums either... Where did you even get that idea? Because I reply to posts? Dear God, we can't have that happening.

Nobody can sit and work on something all day every day. I would absolutely hate making Oasis if it turned into a chore instead of a pasttime. I NEVER understood why people start demanding that you work on something, like you're getting paid to do it and you're slacking off. I am making Oasis for fun, not because I'm getting something else out of it.

[Xbob42]

Originally posted by konidias


I make like less than 10 posts a day on the forums... I'm not always at the forums either... Where did you even get that idea? Because I reply to posts? Dear God, we can't have that happening.

Nobody can sit and work on something all day every day. I would absolutely hate making Oasis if it turned into a chore instead of a pasttime. I NEVER understood why people start demanding that you work on something, like you're getting paid to do it and you're slacking off. I am making Oasis for fun, not because I'm getting something else out of it.

Keep making it for fun.

I notice people that don't make things for fun usually don't produce their best work.

[DarkHero2002]

Originally posted by Matman58
You have any idea when Stefan will release the new version??

I have no clue, I wish he would though. I have some stuff I requested to be added that he said he would.. it better come out soon.

[Aknts]

Originally posted by konidias


I make like less than 10 posts a day on the forums... I'm not always at the forums either... Where did you even get that idea? Because I reply to posts? Dear God, we can't have that happening.

Nobody can sit and work on something all day every day. I would absolutely hate making Oasis if it turned into a chore instead of a pasttime. I NEVER understood why people start demanding that you work on something, like you're getting paid to do it and you're slacking off. I am making Oasis for fun, not because I'm getting something else out of it.

<3

[Jman9912-P2P]

ok well yes, koni people like your work, some people may copy it exactly. but as a new pixel artist myself, i would say when you see something you like, you usually use it as tips, like my characters look SOME what like yours and somewhat like mine, and somewhat like eveyr character. all sprites cannot be different, i dont use the same color style or anything, but like mine sometmies has a jacket or shirt or whatever, and baggy pants. like you told me when you make something your try to visualize it and study it. so i did, and your art is anime, the japanese word for cartoon like art is anime. now if anyone does steal your work, and it looks exactly the same, then it wouldnt be accepted, dont you think? now if no one ever copied any part of any body dont you think they would all look deformed???? you cannot tell me you didnt copy anything on yours from something else, it looks like a graal body skinnier and taller, but changed see? everyone does sometimes...

[Jinx]

Originally posted by konidias

Nobody can sit and work on something all day every day. I would absolutely hate making Oasis if it turned into a chore instead of a pasttime. I NEVER understood why people start demanding that you work on something, like you're getting paid to do it and you're slacking off. I am making Oasis for fun, not because I'm getting something else out of it.

That's the main reason I voted to shut down sanstrata. It was getting more and more like actual work, it wasn't fun.

Fun is Good.

-Jinx

[sage_chaozu]

Actually, your characters are anime style, or at least the eyes and hair are, but thats beyond this subject.

Just because people try to make their work similar to yours because they envy you, doesn't mean that you shouldn't stop posting screen shots. It makes people lose interest in oasis, and like this person has stated, he thought it was dead. If your not going to at least post screen shots on your progress, you can at MOST just tell us a little what's going on. You don't have to be paranoid about it (and yes, you are paranoid if you think people steal your work and thats why your not posting it.). And if they steal your work? WHO CARES? I've had people submit my graphics to the server I work on and say they made them, but I don't let it get to me because I know that if they have to steal graphics then they just must be desperate.

Then again, though, this is you, you have a different way of thinking, but if you think that it's too risky to post a screen shot once or twice a week, then you shouldn't be making a playerworld in the first place unless it was top-secret when it started. Notice in the word "Playerworld" there is the word "player", which doesn't just mean it's made BY the players, it means it's made FOR the players.

[royce]

Koni, you have to understand that you were not the first person to make art like that. Yes it is wrong that some other people take your tiles and modify them or dont even modify them. But you have people learning the skills of dithering, and thats what all your graphics are, just dithering with shadowed colors.

[konidias]

I can't see how square eyes and spikey hair = anime. Anime is a japanese art form, and Oasis chars don't look like japanese anime at all in my honest opinion.

I'm not truely bothered by people copying my style. What bothers me is when they deny that they have done so. Like the graphic looks near identical and they will swear up and down they have never even seen my graphics or something. That is what gets me pissed.

I'm not showing screenshots not just because I don't want people copying stuff, it's because I don't want to show everything and then have nothing be a suprise. I could care less about pleasing the public by releasing screenshots. I only showed screenshots in the beginning because I wanted people to know what Oasis was going to be like, and look like.

Having to constantly give everyone eye candy is a chore. I know showing screenshots shows actual progress, but you're just going to have to trust me when I say that Oasis is progressing. This is what happens with things like this. People get impatient and demand stuff, and then they get low quality stuff in return.

Just look at 2k2 for example. People nagged and nagged for 2k2 to be released, they released it in alpha version, and then people got mad because of bugs. If I keep showing screenshots, people are just going to pick everything apart, and it also makes me look ****y or something (obviously to some people, you know who you are) Who think just because I'm showing stuff, that I'm doing it to get attention.

So with all that said, I'm still not going to show anything. Sorry guys, but when the playerworld is done, you will appreciate not having seen everything.

[screen_name]

i understand where koni is coming from


he is tired of people modding his gfx and saying they made them
and about the screenshots, agree again i do


perfect example he gave

[Shadow Knight]

evildred144: See recently I can now see where Koni comes from, Go look at this Thread This guy copied the old Tempest of Time tiles and since Godspeed has allowed Krynn to use the tiles it makes me upset. Why? Because the guy wont admit it even when i posted proof so i do have to agree with koni on this one. Since the tiles are being copied I will not be showing screenshots from krynn either.

[konidias]

FINALLY, people understand what I have been saying. I'm not paranoid, I'm observant.

I don't trust anyone except myself when it comes to the net. People that you have trusted for a year could turn around and screw you at the drop of a hat. That's just how the net is.

[Kuza]

Originally posted by konidias
FINALLY, people understand what I have been saying. I'm not paranoid, I'm observant.

I don't trust anyone except myself when it comes to the net. People that you have trusted for a year could turn around and screw you at the drop of a hat. That's just how the net is.

I beg to differ.

Just the other day, my friend over the net sent my ******ok Online through the mail, because my PC can't download it. I've knew him for about three years. I trust 'em.

There's people that know my passes and stuff, but I don't worry about it. You can find some of the nicest people on the net, but if you use the internet too much... well, you start losing your social skills. You've gotta find that equillibrium of trust in yourself, and others.

Okay, I'm done ranting for tonight. ^_^

[James]

Originally posted by Kuza


I beg to differ.

Just the other day, my friend over the net sent my ******ok Online through the mail, because my PC can't download it. I've knew him for about three years. I trust 'em.

There's people that know my passes and stuff, but I don't worry about it. You can find some of the nicest people on the net, but if you use the internet too much... well, you start losing your social skills. You've gotta find that equillibrium of trust in yourself, and others.

Okay, I'm done ranting for tonight. ^_^

Too bad you won't be able to play for 3 months, blah.

[AlexH]

It's simple.
It's Konis player world, if he doesn't want to post screen shots or release information about it he won't.

Originally posted by Kuza


I beg to differ.

Just the other day, my friend over the net sent my ******ok Online through the mail, because my PC can't download it. I've knew him for about three years. I trust 'em.

There's people that know my passes and stuff, but I don't worry about it. You can find some of the nicest people on the net, but if you use the internet too much... well, you start losing your social skills. You've gotta find that equillibrium of trust in yourself, and others.

Okay, I'm done ranting for tonight. ^_^

Which e-mail do you use because isn't Rag like 200+ mb?

[Kuza]

Originally posted by James


Too bad you won't be able to play for 3 months, blah.

So I heard... that's pretty cheap, eh? I was talking with him and he explained everything to me. That's pretty damn low of them to do.

[James]

Originally posted by Kuza


So I heard... that's pretty cheap, eh? I was talking with him and he explained everything to me. That's pretty damn low of them to do.

Yeah, it's really dumb. They are *****s, the English/American servers are the ones that are going to bring in the money, not the Korean, it's not a smart move on their part.

[Neglegence2002]

Originally posted by Shadow Knight
evildred144: See recently I can now see where Koni comes from, Go look at this Thread This guy copied the old Tempest of Time tiles and since Godspeed has allowed Krynn to use the tiles it makes me upset. Why? Because the guy wont admit it even when i posted proof so i do have to agree with koni on this one. Since the tiles are being copied I will not be showing screenshots from krynn either.

lol, its so funny how you just keep going with this bullshit, everybody tells me the fourms are ****in crap, but keep on disgreeing becasue i like how people post interesting threads about certain things. Now i understand how some people opperate on these fourms. fu evildred *****, go to hell kthxbye

[IAMNOTAFREAK]

yay, i'm one of those guys that copied from a pic of koni's!
i used it to eventually get to my first version of my characters, and yes, i asked permission to use them to base mine from and was denied so i had to change them and they sucked, so i made new ones...
and some of my new ones have brown vests with green undershirts, so if i'm the guy he's referring to i just want to say that i used the predefined paint rgb's or made my own...k...
anyway, i miss oasis screens and stuff, it looks like it's gonna be great!

[Graal2001_LAT]

Originally posted by James


Too bad you won't be able to play for 3 months, blah.

Yes I was truely disappointed.

[MalakSylv]

i'm not sure why it is i've been so mean to konidias in the past, when it's obvious he's one of the few intelligent people left in graal. and one with talent, as well.

kon, take your time with oasis. i'll be waiting eagerly to play a playerworld that is so similar to the ones i wish were available.

[middo]

I just want to see ONE screenshot.

Maybe just post one, and say I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY CRITIQUE TO THIS SCREENIE or something.

-_-
Just one ;_;

[bef]

konidias' standards are so high that i'm expecting this to be nothing less than brilliant and i've been waiting for this for years.

[Dach]

Originally Posted by middo

I just want to see ONE screenshot.

Maybe just post one, and say I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY CRITIQUE TO THIS SCREENIE or something.

-_-
Just one ;_;

eggs?
I was hoping this revival had a purpose, but nope, nothing special
TWO YEARS BUDDY

[Kuza]

It's not going to happen.

[bef]

two years is still an amount of years champ ;-)

i hope it does... i really do.

[thrashsoul]

Stop thread necromancing!

[GoZelda]

Who the hell revived this thread?

[brock128]

I thought Jinx was back. You jerk.

[thrashsoul]

Middo the g3d newb.

[Kuza]

I thought somebody haxored my account when I read my earlier post, haha. I didn't remember posting that recently.