To the people against the Classic P2P plan and/or anti-P2P "rebels".

[DarkCloud_PK]

This is mostly for those people who didn't like the P2P plan for Classic and PWs, people who dislike P2P altogether, or those idiots at SG111.

This whole anti-P2P thing is IDIOTIC AND POINTLESS. Even if you did have some vaild points, which you don't, you are going about this in a stupid and hypocritical way. You guys are forming anti-Graal groups, using trainers more frequently, making petetions, making hate sites and distributing illegal information, all for what, $15?
So you don't want to spend $15, that isn't the point. You don't want to spend $15 dollars, so you take up hours and hours of time to support your cause to not spend $15 while you could be spending your time making MONEY or doing something with yourself. You waste time worth way more than $15 so you can try to not spend $15? Sounds pretty dumb.

Anyway these are your arguements I hear often against this, I'll now be shooting them down one by one.

Arguement: Graal isn't worth paying $15 for.
Counter: It's what it is worth to each player, not just to you, if it isn't worth $15 to you, then leave, don't waste time *****ing about it if it isn't worth it, it's futile.

Arguement: We shouldn't pay for something the players helped create.
Counter: You act like everyone put their part into Graal, that is far from the truth, I doubt every single player has contributed to Graal, not even close.
For the people who have though:
1.They did it on their own free will, no one forced them to contribute, Unixmad didn't hold a gun to their head to make them work on Graal, they did it because they wanted to.
2.They didn't do for the reason of not paying for Graal, they did it because they wanted to see their work go up, most online games won't even think of putting player's work up on the playable world. You guys are lucky to have that.

Arguement: I don't want to put it on my credit card.
Counter: That's what the phone system is going to be for.*sigh*

Arguement:I've played this game for free for a long time, why the hell should I pay?
Counter: You mean you've been FREELOADING for a long time?...I don't give a damn how long you've played, that doesn't give you any leway off the price, so you've played a long time, whatis that worth to Unix and Stefan. Not a damn thing.

That's about all I hear, so to sum it up.

Unixmad and Stefan have been giving you this game and contributing into this game for a LONG time, and it is costing them both time and money. I think they deserve a LITTLE something after they've been giving you Graal for the past 5 years for nil. They are trying to make money on this to make a living, not provide you with infinite fun. You have no right to be demanding that this be free, it isn't even yours. The only thing you should do is ask, which isn't even logical. You'd basically be asking Unixmad to flush a very promising money making opportunity down the toilet.

So I leave with you anti-P2Ps:
GET A CLUE.

~Dark Cloud

[Googi]

Umm...non-p2p people don't generally read the forums.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Some free people do to see what is going on, SG111 pays visits often, they just can't post. So basically you don't know they are there.
They are those people listed as "Guest"

[Psyker]

You just about summed it all up, DC.

[AlexH]

The only thing you need to say to the people who are against it is....................tuff!
Its gonna happen, if you dont pay bye bye.
Plain and simple.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally posted by Psyker
You just about summed it all up, DC.

Heh, well when you get PM after PM of "PLZ GO TO THIS PETETION AND SIGN AGAINST P2P" or "GO TO THIS WEBSITE AND SEE WHY YOU SHOULDN'T PAY", you just gotta do something

[Shorty2Dope]

You forgot the other stupid one..

Argument: Weel teh graal staffs are corrupts and teh have bad business tactics so I r be against graal and waist mi tiem tyring to riun it!

[Vincent_TK]

Originally posted by Shorty2Dope
You forgot the other stupid one..

Argument: Weel teh graal staffs are corrupts and teh have bad business tactics so I r be against graal and waist mi tiem tyring to riun it!

Sounds like what most people on Graal 2001 think(not the being against Graal part though). :x

[Kadar]

hi

[Kadar]

i just red everyting and i agree !@

[Shorty2Dope]

Originally posted by Vincent_TK


Sounds like what most people on Graal 2001 think(not the being against Graal part though). :x

Thats funny because I can not see one thing the staff has done that is corrupt or would cause a problem. People just try to whine over anything.

[Vincent_TK]

Originally posted by Shorty2Dope


Thats funny because I can not see one thing the staff has done that is corrupt or would cause a problem. People just try to whine over anything.

I cant say anything about the staff because I havent been on Graal. When I did go on Graal 2001, I never did get an answer from a Police/RC or anyone(lazy!). And dont throw out excuses you have alot of people PM'ing you, Classic GP's always responded to me and im sure they have alot more people PM'ing them. I rely on feedback to see how Graal is doing. Alot of the people on these forums do cry for no reason(reason why Poizon quit). But I still hear(well, see) people complaining about Graal 2001 being boring, about it dying, etc. Oh well

[Sp1]

Originally posted by Kadar
hi

hi

[DarkDragon452]

Originally posted by Sp1


hi

hi

[albus777]

this is why dc is my hero

[Shorty2Dope]

Originally posted by Vincent_TK


I cant say anything about the staff because I havent been on Graal. When I did go on Graal 2001, I never did get an answer from a Police/RC or anyone(lazy!). And dont throw out excuses you have alot of people PM'ing you, Classic GP's always responded to me and im sure they have alot more people PM'ing them. I rely on feedback to see how Graal is doing. Alot of the people on these forums do cry for no reason(reason why Poizon quit). But I still hear(well, see) people complaining about Graal 2001 being boring, about it dying, etc. Oh well

I can see RCs or LATs or anyone like that not replying. They are busy doing their job.

Police and FAQ should reply as soon as possible. They do now, if you have any problems with them talk to Alkaren and he will take care of it. I never have any problems when I PM someone. About 6-7 months ago I did. Things have changed, many people are still looking at how things were in the past.

[Discharge]

Originally posted by DarkCloud_PK
This is mostly for those people who didn't like the P2P plan for Classic and PWs, people who dislike P2P altogether, or those idiots at SG111.

This whole anti-P2P thing is IDIOTIC AND POINTLESS. Even if you did have some vaild points, which you don't, you are going about this in a stupid and hypocritical way. You guys are forming anti-Graal groups, using trainers more frequently, making petetions, making hate sites and distributing illegal information, all for what, $15?
So you don't want to spend $15, that isn't the point. You don't want to spend $15 dollars, so you take up hours and hours of time to support your cause to not spend $15 while you could be spending your time making MONEY or doing something with yourself. You waste time worth way more than $15 so you can try to not spend $15? Sounds pretty dumb.

Anyway these are your arguements I hear often against this, I'll now be shooting them down one by one.

Arguement: Graal isn't worth paying $15 for.
Counter: It's what it is worth to each player, not just to you, if it isn't worth $15 to you, then leave, don't waste time *****ing about it if it isn't worth it, it's futile.

Arguement: We shouldn't pay for something the players helped create.
Counter: You act like everyone put their part into Graal, that is far from the truth, I doubt every single player has contributed to Graal, not even close.
For the people who have though:
1.They did it on their own free will, no one forced them to contribute, Unixmad didn't hold a gun to their head to make them work on Graal, they did it because they wanted to.
2.They didn't do for the reason of not paying for Graal, they did it because they wanted to see their work go up, most online games won't even think of putting player's work up on the playable world. You guys are lucky to have that.

Arguement: I don't want to put it on my credit card.
Counter: That's what the phone system is going to be for.*sigh*

Arguement:I've played this game for free for a long time, why the hell should I pay?
Counter: You mean you've been FREELOADING for a long time?...I don't give a damn how long you've played, that doesn't give you any leway off the price, so you've played a long time, whatis that worth to Unix and Stefan. Not a damn thing.

That's about all I hear, so to sum it up.

Unixmad and Stefan have been giving you this game and contributing into this game for a LONG time, and it is costing them both time and money. I think they deserve a LITTLE something after they've been giving you Graal for the past 5 years for nil. They are trying to make money on this to make a living, not provide you with infinite fun. You have no right to be demanding that this be free, it isn't even yours. The only thing you should do is ask, which isn't even logical. You'd basically be asking Unixmad to flush a very promising money making opportunity down the toilet.

So I leave with you anti-P2Ps:
GET A CLUE.

~Dark Cloud

The hell with j00

[DarkCloud_PK]

Uhh, okay...

[Tyhm]

I tried to have a conversation with 'fukie about this - however, he was adamant to the point that he shot down all of my comparisons as being "different". Like comparing Graal's business practices to a club. "But clubs aren't video games! They're different!". It was one of those conversations.

Closest I can gather, his friend and he are of the opinion Classic stole levels from the oldbies. Saying "No, they gave them to us" doesn't do any good, so I'm saying Maybe - but SG111 has no more claim to representing them than I do, so it's moot. If the real Zol comes back and demands I take down his pub, and he can somehow prove it's really him, then maybe - barring that, no, shut up. It'd be like me saying that the framers of the constitution never intended free speech to cover pornography and internet piracy.

Though Mafukie would argue that it's different - there is no constitution in Graal. =_=

[acidfear]

Originally posted by Tyhm
Closest I can gather, his friend and he are of the opinion Classic stole levels from the oldbies. Saying "No, they gave them to us" doesn't do any good, so I'm saying Maybe - but SG111 has no more claim to representing them than I do, so it's moot. If the real Zol comes back and demands I take down his pub, and he can somehow prove it's really him, then maybe - barring that, no, shut up. It'd be like me saying that the framers of the constitution never intended free speech to cover pornography and internet piracy.

reminds me of when npulse stole (i mean steal, not giveing whoever made it credit) those "pot quests" from colapsy town. about 1/3 of the quests on that server has one level of a pot quest in them -_-

[Spanko]

You forgot something:

Argument: P2P will kill Graal.
Counter: No, it's needed to pay for the servers, so it's instead helping Graal to stay alive.

[Shorty2Dope]

Originally posted by Spanko
You forgot something:

Argument: P2P will kill Graal.
Counter: No, it's needed to pay for the servers, so it's instead helping Graal to stay alive.

Yea for real.. even if only one person upgraded to p2p, thats better than 700 people who are freeloading. They make NO money off them. They only lose money.

[Neonight]

Originally posted by Googi
Umm...non-p2p people don't generally read the forums.

Congratulations, Googi! Your IQ has just sank another 5 points! Think before you post. Why do you think there are so many views on unixmad's thread?

[Lyndzey]

Perfect DC.

One thing I don't understand is why they are yelling at Classic staff. They do not realize we have no connection with Unixmad and that we have nothing to do with Graal going P2P.

[Sir Triclops]

I do think there a lot of lazy or uncaring admins and such. However I'm all for Graal going p2p.
One reason why I think the admins aren't very good:

Everyone knows I have not played in a long time. The other day I logged on Classic to see what all was new, only to find myself in jail. I talked to Tyhm and he said I needed to file an appeal, but most likely have to request a reset of my account. Why a reset? Because the people I file appeal to are never around.


Poizon

[DarkPyro_2001]

Dark Cloud--

1) Unixmad did have a gun pointed to my head, and he was playing Mario Kart Advance at the same time.
2) I laugh at your poor spelling.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Vincent_TK


I cant say anything about the staff because I havent been on Graal. When I did go on Graal 2001, I never did get an answer from a Police/RC or anyone(lazy!). And dont throw out excuses you have alot of people PM'ing you, Classic GP's always responded to me and im sure they have alot more people PM'ing them. I rely on feedback to see how Graal is doing. Alot of the people on these forums do cry for no reason(reason why Poizon quit). But I still hear(well, see) people complaining about Graal 2001 being boring, about it dying, etc. Oh well

Most staff who FAQ, Police,RC any of them usually try to respond if the pm isn't stupid. For example if you just say hi. Chances are the person isnt going to waste his time responding if he/she is working on something. I dont know how busy FAQ are on G2k1 but they've always responded to me when I had an intelligent conversation. As for RC just because a person is logged on doesnt mean they're at the computer or even watchin the little blip that is in the corner of the computer screen. You have to be patient for them to see it. You call staff lazy but with out them there would be nothing on graal aside from what unixmad and stefan put up and with just those two it would be a long haul getting any thing finished in a timely manner.