Trading Card Ideas

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

* Changes the way you/other players appear - CLIENTSIDED ONLY.

What if you're in an event where part of the point of the event is hiding, and you can see the other players easily?

Note: this would only have to apply to GOLD, CLASSIC and HOSTED servers.

So long as you can disable cards at a certain time (e.g. during events)

[Admins]

Ziro our goal is to make something interesting, not completely crippled. What is working best (in almost all online games) is stuff that let you impress other people by your look, or give slight boosts.

Any ideas for those "special areas" and "new items" that would fit to the trading card concept?

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Stefan

What is working best (in almost all online games) is stuff that let you impress other people by your look, or give slight boosts.

Only for the people using it. Keep it fair if you don't want to lose customers because they can't afford to be equal.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Any ideas for those "special areas" and "new items" that would fit to the trading card concept?

Could be for example, a special dungeon on Zodiac that drop items that already exist on the server, but maybe with new baddies etc. (as long as it doesn't make the area any easier/harder then other areas for that level range)

Or... special items on Zodiac. Could have recolors/edits of currently existing weapons, and keep the default stats. That would make the item interesting, yet it wouldn't give an unfair advantage. Shouldn't be a edit of a rare or awesome item, since then it'd be unfair. Get what I mean?

Originally Posted by Stefan

What is working best (in almost all online games) is stuff that let you impress other people by your look, or give slight boosts.

I believe you're wrong there. Take MapleStory for example.. I haven't played it more then a few hours myself, but I noticed that all their items that they sell for real money are only for looks. Like different clothing, pets, hats... you name it.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Ziro our goal is to make something interesting, not completely crippled. What is working best (in almost all online games) is stuff that let you impress other people by your look, or give slight boosts.

Any ideas for those "special areas" and "new items" that would fit to the trading card concept?

Slight boosts are not good. Take gunbound for example. Once upon a time that game was all about experience, skill, and working for your items. Then they introduced cash items...things went to hell. Idiots were buffing themselves up with lame cash items, making it extremely hard to kill them unless the opponents were really good.

I'm all for NPC's that let you impress people, but do try to remember what Graal Online is all about again. The card system should just be "for fun", not a miracle.

[kia345]

Cosmetic changes are ok, as it doesn't really change the gameplay, or make it unfair to people who can't keep paying. Perhaps a pseudo-RC where they can write files straight to the heads folder to quickly upload their own things, or rights to a make a local guild on that server.

There are tons of things you could that aren't "crippled" or unfair.

[DustyPorViva]

The difference is though, Maplestory is free. So it's only fair that people are allowed to pay for stuff not available to everyone else.

It's not fair that people pay for Graal, yet others can still pay to have other advantages, even if they are looks.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

The difference is though, Maplestory is free. So it's only fair that people are allowed to pay for stuff not available to everyone else...

...even if they are looks.

I bet they're making a buck load of cash on just selling cosmetic changes though. It's not unfair in any kind of way, since they're just that - cosmetic.

[DustyPorViva]

It's unfair that we pay for a subscription and yet people are able to pay for more benefits, even if cosmetic. It's not always about actual advantages, looks are an advantage, even if just cosmetic.

My point is, if we're all paying to play, it's not fair that people can still pay for advantages.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

It's unfair that we pay for a subscription and yet people are able to pay for more benefits, even if cosmetic. It's not always about actual advantages, looks are an advantage, even if just cosmetic.

My point is, if we're all paying to play, it's not fair that people can still pay for advantages.

As long as people aren't gaining unfair advantages, I'm not fuzzed about it.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

It's unfair that we pay for a subscription and yet people are able to pay for more benefits, even if cosmetic. It's not always about actual advantages, looks are an advantage, even if just cosmetic.

My point is, if we're all paying to play, it's not fair that people can still pay for advantages.

Perhaps, but it seems obvious that Stefan will not get rid of them since he generally does not listen to us. I think cosmetic is the way to go if the cards are here to stay.

[kia345]

Why are they called trading cards if they cost money to trade?

[Admins]

The current items are just cosmetic but still you complain
Also I meant slight boosts, not making it unfair.

We would love to also make playerworlds more free and just charge for additional bonus, but the current servers are not really prepared for it yet.

A system with a cheap subscription to get access to more areas etc. and the possibility to buy additional items which give slight boosts is not that bad, again most games do that. Not many people complained that you need to pay for WoW content packs even though you have already an expensive subscription.

We want to provide fun new things to Graal. When I go on servers I often see people using the card effects, so they appearently like them. So lets work together to make the new cards interesting and not discuss about the fact that we must make money, that's pathetic.

[Darklux]

Originally Posted by Stefan

The current items are just cosmetic but still you complain
Also I meant slight boosts, not making it unfair.

A working invisibly effect is not what I would call cosmetic.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stefan

The current items are just cosmetic but still you complain
Also I meant slight boosts, not making it unfair.

I'm sorry but going half invisible and shrinking your pixels making you much harder to see on Zone's arctic map (which is nearly white itself) is not exactly cosmetic.

The problem with slight boosts is that Graal, by tradition, has always been about skill. Skill which you gain overtime. When cash begins to replace skill, people will be upset. Graal has always been a fair game, some of us actually appreciate this.

A system with a cheap subscription to get access to more areas etc. and the possibility to buy additional items which give slight boosts is not that bad, again most games do that.

It just depends on the boosts. If it's a fun little pk item that doesn't really do much and is mostly for show, that's fine with me. I think I speak for everyone when I say we don't want to see people using cash boosts to replace their own lack of skill in pking, events, and spars.

Not many people complained that you need to pay for WoW content packs even though you have already an expensive subscription.

...WoW delievers.

We want to provide fun new things to Graal. When I go on servers I often see people using the card effects, so they appearently like them.

Card users are a minority, most people who don't have them usually don't like them because they are annoying. It's not that bad until people are trying to spar with it or gain some sort of advantage, even if it's a little one.