Make it non-gold

[Switch]

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

If they make it cheaper then raise the prices again, won't the playercount decline and end up eventually in a situation like it's in now? If I was paying for a game annually for £20, and they raised it to £40 when I don't think it's worth £40 then I would leave and I imagine quite a few others would too. This is why people aren't paying now as the prices have went up for some people.

The amount of content (good and bad) might increase due to more players (and bring in more), and more players will raise chances of them knowing how to model 3D objects, etc.
You get the idea, it might, or might not, raise the amount of good content coming in. That's why they'd increase the price a bit at a time to see what happens.

[MiniOne]

Lets not make it non gold instead lets give new players a gold trial period or each new computer that signs up a free gold period for them to test out the servers and stuff and if they enjoy it they can subscribe if not then they can stay trials

Originally Posted by James

Again, I don't care how old you are or how far your parents live away from you. Why are you quoting a statement for truth when it's not the truth? Circumstances vary, some parents may care, but a lot of kids would be punished. I've already said this.

Agreed. Even though i still live with my parents, p.s. am only 15
anyway ya i live with my parents and i know they'd be angry if i stole from them thats why the sms system is really idiotic because it could result in a dedication in players, due to parents blocking them off from the game with firewalls or etc

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

If they make it cheaper then raise the prices again, won't the playercount decline and end up eventually in a situation like it's in now? If I was paying for a game annually for £20, and they raised it to £40 when I don't think it's worth £40 then I would leave and I imagine quite a few others would too. This is why people aren't paying now as the prices have went up for some people.

I didn't say they lower the price and immediately shoot it back up when the playercount picks up.
What i'm saying is the price gets lowered, stays that way for a long period of time, when the player count is substantially high, a gradual (def not +£20) increase in price like an extra £1.50 each time they bump it up (for good reason) and i feel the max Graal sub should even be is £25-£30 PA. It shouldn't come close to a years WoW actually.

What graal did is raise the cost of a pretty poor product... Graal is great but again, compare it to wow and others. In almost all cases, sales (players:customers) decrease when costs rise.

[MiniOne]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

I didn't say they lower the price and immediately shoot it back up when the playercount picks up.
What i'm saying is the price gets lowered, stays that way for a long period of time, when the player count is substantially high, a gradual (def not +£20) increase in price like an extra £1.50 each time they bump it up (for good reason) and i feel the max Graal sub should even be is £25-£30 PA. It shouldn't come close to a years WoW actually.

What graal did is raise the cost of a pretty poor product... Graal is great but again, compare it to wow and others. In almost all cases, sales (players:customers) decrease when costs rise.

First you need to get the product into the market before sales increase, i don't believe graal fails at getting subs because of the cost more because of the lack of advertisement, because as you can see we don't even actually have that many trials running around, so i recommend getting graal out there, where people can find so that the product spreads and generally a well marketed product gets quite a bit of business but that's just my opinion, also give specials to long time users, which will make them stay a little longer if you start reducing sub prices with each time they resub.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by MiniOne

First you need to get the product into the market before sales increase, i don't believe graal fails at getting subs because of the cost more because of the lack of advertisement, because as you can see we don't even actually have that many trials running around, so i recommend getting graal out there, where people can find so that the product spreads and generally a well marketed product gets quite a bit of business but that's just my opinion, also give specials to long time users, which will make them stay a little longer if you start reducing sub prices with each time they resub.

Already said graal needs to be advertised and marketed well.

[Ravenblade1979]

Actually Tig I did the QFT because most parents don't even realize that sms could be used for this. I mean they would find out when they got the bill but by then its too late and the gelats are already spent.

@James: I'm 30 and my parents live over 300 miles away. How am I spoiled?

[James]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Actually Tig I did the QFT because most parents don't even realize that sms could be used for this. I mean they would find out when they got the bill but by then its too late and the gelats are already spent.

@James: I'm 30 and my parents live over 300 miles away. How am I spoiled?

Again, I don't care how old you are or how far your parents live away from you. Why are you quoting a statement for truth when it's not the truth? Circumstances vary, some parents may care, but a lot of kids would be punished. I've already said this.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by James

Again, I don't care how old you are or how far your parents live away from you. Why are you quoting a statement for truth when it's not the truth? Circumstances vary, some parents may care, but a lot of kids would be punished. I've already said this.

What you see as truth and what I see as truth are quite different. You need to keep this in mind. I know the kids would be punished but only after the fact .

There is still the fact that they would actually do it. Although thankfully these days where i live you can get your kids a pre-paid credit card in which they can only spend whats loaded onto it.

[DustyPorViva]

lol @ people who say they're happy with the 20 or so tops players that play on GK. A close-knit community is no excuse to not try to expand the playerbase. Sorry, but you can keep your close-knit community even if there are 100 people.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

lol @ people who say they're happy with the 20 or so tops players that play on GK. A close-knit community is no excuse to not try to expand the playerbase. Sorry, but you can keep your close-knit community even if there are 100 people.

Doing our best to justify our low playercount. Mega denial.

[Dark_Zeratul101]

I can make up a whole list of what's wrong with GK and how to fix it, but I don't feel like doing it. If anyone's interested let me know and I might consider it.

If GK actually gets revived then I'll be Jesus

Making it non-gold wouldn't really solve the problem in the long run.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by Dark_Zeratul101

I can make up a whole list of what's wrong with GK and how to fix it, but I don't feel like doing it. If anyone's interested let me know and I might consider it.

If GK actually gets revived then I'll be Jesus

Making it non-gold wouldn't really solve the problem in the long run.

We all know Graal Kingdoms has a lot of problems that have been stacking up over the years but recently Graal Kingdoms has had a lot of new updates and I believe more are to come.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Dark_Zeratul101

I can make up a whole list of what's wrong with GK and how to fix it, but I don't feel like doing it. If anyone's interested let me know and I might consider it.

If GK actually gets revived then I'll be Jesus

Making it non-gold wouldn't really solve the problem in the long run.

What people don't seem to understand is that I know what's wrong with GK. I just don't have much help fixing it and there is a lot to fix.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

What people don't seem to understand is that I know what's wrong with GK. I just don't have much help fixing it and there is a lot to fix.

Have you tried sending out a application throughout all the servers to get people to help? Am sure there are lots that are just waiting for a chance to help work on gk.

[Darklux]

I don't think that gk should be free,
but I can imagine that 50 classic players who sometimes buy premium items for gk could create a greater turnover then 15-20 gold players.

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

You do realize that all of those places are unnoticed by the majority of players, right? Same thing with the magical events website that Maroku is running, only oldbies and a random other player now and then seem to know about it.

and

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Have you tried sending out a application throughout all the servers to get people to help? Am sure there are lots that are just waiting for a chance to help work on gk.

I don't think that there is a need for more advertising for hirings - and I doubt that they would change anything.
It's hard to get staff on graal in general, as especially many former developing oldbies have quit the game.

[Switch]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

There is a link to the hiring forum

- When you click on GK in the F8 Menu
- When you log on GK and the NPC-Server PMs you
- On the wiki

What about people who don't actively look at GK in F8/Login, go on GK and/or don't check the login PM, and don't check the wiki (I believe only oldbies have even LOOKED at the wiki, now with newer players becoming... increasingly stupid, to say the least)?

Originally Posted by Darklux

I don't think that there is a need for more advertising for hirings - and I doubt that they would change anything.
It's hard to get staff on graal in general, as especially many former developing oldbies have quit the game.

For a Gold server, I'm sure people are more prone to jump at them.

[Darklux]

Originally Posted by Switch

For a Gold server, I'm sure people are more prone to jump at them.

This is something else compared to classic worlds.

On classic worlds a talented, but not too skilled developer can get a job because there are other people to train him - I doubt that the gk team can invest that amount of time.

Further, developing for gk is quite difficult. Its a whole different way to create levels, the coding is probaply quite hard and special, ganis and graphics are very good and complex - it's not like opening your editor and hacking some levels together for UN.

[xXziroXx]

I'm with PoJo when it comes to Maroku, and I don't care if he does stuff now or not, since most of the time I see him behave like either an ass, or being completely ignorant to everyone except those he might consider a friend.

[Sky]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I'm with PoJo when it comes to Maroku, and I don't care if he does stuff now or not, since most of the time I see him behave like either an ass, or being completely ignorant to everyone except those he might consider a friend.

I fully agree 110[percent].

[Ravenblade1979]

I have to disagree with everyone who's against maroku. I mean he's no Sam but he still busted his ass to make sure we had our items and that we were hosting. Hell he would work with me on the bigger events I was doing too.

He's trying his best and the only thing that you can do is berate him. That tells you the type of mentality you have. Actually from experience I can tell you that there are always a group of people who don't like staff and will berate them at any chance they get.

If it were me I would be happy that he's making more content for the server. He doesn't need this **** as he is doing this voluntarily and doesn't need to impress you people at all. If he was getting paid by cyberjourers to do the job then I could see the berating being founded but until then lay off of him.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

I have to disagree with everyone who's against maroku. I mean he's no Sam but he still busted his ass to make sure we had our items and that we were hosting. Hell he would work with me on the bigger events I was doing too.

He's trying his best and the only thing that you can do is berate him. That tells you the type of mentality you have. Actually from experience I can tell you that there are always a group of people who don't like staff and will berate them at any chance they get.

If it were me I would be happy that he's making more content for the server. He doesn't need this **** as he is doing this voluntarily and doesn't need to impress you people at all. If he was getting paid by cyberjourers to do the job then I could see the berating being founded but until then lay off of him.

I'm entitled to dislike anyone I want without having to explain myself, thank you very much, sir. Not that it's relevant, but he's also the only staff member on Kingdoms I dislike, and based on the attitude he has so often shown, I'd say it's well founded.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I'm entitled to dislike anyone I want without having to explain myself, thank you very much, sir. Not that it's relevant, but he's also the only staff member on Kingdoms I dislike, and based on the attitude he has so often shown, I'd say it's well founded.

Too true on you disliking whoever you want. I have seen both sides of maroku and yes he can come off with a bad attitude but he doesn't mean too. How do you think we seem to him with some of our english phrases. he may mistake those for bad and think we having the bad attitude.


@All: just be happy that he's making stuff for events. if he didn't care he wouldn't be busting his ass to get these done.

[Sky]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

@All: just be happy that he's making stuff for events. if he didn't care he wouldn't be busting his ass to get these done.

Erm, isn't that what he signed up for?

I'd be more then willing to help so he doesn't have to "bust his ass", but like Ziro said he's a jerk to whoever is not his "friends".

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Sky

Erm, isn't that what he signed up for?

I'd be more then willing to help so he doesn't have to "bust his ass", but like Ziro said he's a jerk to whoever is not his "friends".

Then don't like him. Thats up to you.

At least awknowledge that he's doing work on events like you already have.

[Craigus]

Maroku does alot for GK we are lucky to have him working on new events/other things for GK, he is also a very active hoster when he is not busy creating a new event. I really do not understand all the strong views against him when he dedicates as much time as he does to improving the game.

[Ravenblade1979]

@Pat: Aww you big softy lol

@MiniOne: Well GK is like Zone in this way here. If a staff member shows you bad attitude or anything like that then they are hated by a group of people. It happens on any server. I would just think that people like Sky would be beyond the whole attitude thing but apparently not.

[xXziroXx]

Are you blind or just stupid, raven? I clearly stated that I wasn't talking about this situation in particular, or even Graal Kingdoms. I also pointed out that volunteer work doesn't come with less responsibilities then it would otherwise, deal with it.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Are you blind or just stupid, raven? I clearly stated that I wasn't talking about this situation in particular, or even Graal Kingdoms. I also pointed out that volunteer work doesn't come with less responsibilities then it would otherwise, deal with it.

Can't you read. I agreed with you on this but went on to explain that people have lives they must live too.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by MiniOne

most of the people who do the scripting for GK and host events don't get paid

None of us get paid.

[jonnyrocks2]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

None of us get paid.

Yyup, its all volunteer work, and do it on your own time.

[Darklux]

Why will GK never be Classic?

Because they still make SOME money with it - in opposite to zero money, when it would be classic.

[Ravenblade1979]

How about THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN.


Is that clear enough. If they wanted it classic it would have been done ages ago. They are still making enough money to keep it gold.

[Darklux]

Most important:

Going classic didn't help Graal 2001.

[Sky]

Originally Posted by Darklux

Most important:

Going classic didn't help Graal 2001.

^ co-sign. ;0

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Darklux

Most important:

Going classic didn't help Graal 2001.

I've tried to make this point many times before.
Going non-gold isn't going to magically save GK.

But, on the otherhand, G2k1 went UC for a few years then came back non-gold for a little while... and while it was up it was pretty much never updated.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Darklux

Most important:

Going classic didn't help Graal 2001.

And that was when the gold/classic divide meant a lot more than it does today.

[Enfernal]

(Unfortunately, I have been unable to talk about anything due to the horrible construction of this website, it says nowhere that you must use your in-game password until AFTER you start trying to find out what is happening. If, say, you try to set your own password, it simply says the passwords don't match, try again. I ended up just accepting I couldn't post here)

Hello. Yes, quite.

Coming from an inside look at Zodiac (As one of its staff members. Minor, but staff nonetheless) I have to admit it is nothing special. The levels are horrible, the server goes through dozens of staff members because it fails at checking the capabilities of them before hiring them, the economy isn't always stable, and recent run-ins with issues brought down by the Graal system itself has took a toll on us.

However, I will not admit to our server being a run-down piece of (Crap? Don't know the rules yet). Certainly Zodiac's playercount says otherwise. It is probably the most active server on Graal, and if I don't see a update in a month, I start worrying. It is simply that Zodiac is continually offering something new to spice up the server, and we are doing it in a simple manner. We are also providing to the right crowd - this would never happen if Zodiac was gold. Gold standards are not only immensely higher then the current state of Zodiac, but they deter players from joining in. Sure, galat-switchover victims can experience it for a while, but if anything changes in the system, that tiny vessel of new players breaks, and gold starts to die.

Which, of course, is unfortunate. I would certainly never let a ORPG fall into a state of decay, and right now it seems overwhelming. Graal in general needs to do something, Cyberjoures (?) needs to either step up to the challenge of looking at their own community, or they need to pass it down to someone more able.

Just my two cents on things. Hope you guys aren't too harsh on forum newbies, but I'll but on my flame retardant anyway.

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[Crono]

Originally Posted by Enfernal

However, I will not admit to our server being a run-down piece of (Crap? Don't know the rules yet). Certainly Zodiac's playercount says otherwise. It is probably the most active server on Graal, and if I don't see a update in a month, I start worrying. It is simply that Zodiac is continually offering something new to spice up the server, and we are doing it in a simple manner. We are also providing to the right crowd...

Zodiac is "a piece of crap". It's quality in every aspect of development (save possibly scripting because I haven't seen them nor would I be able to judge them due to my lack of scripting knowledge) is awful. However, it caters to the "right" crowd.

In 2003 Graal did not have an RPG playerworld. Valikorlia decided to use a level-up RPG system common to other MMORPG's (leveling up, weapons, etc) but they didn't really expand on it. They had stats you leveled up yourself but it didn't really do much from what I remember as it was never fully implemented.

When Valikorlia changed it's system back to it's normal RP, Maloria decided to make it's move and take advantage of the new lack of RPG's. By 2006 Maloria was dead, and that's when Zodiac began rising. It's now obvious to see why Zodiac actually has players; those of us who like RPG systems dont really have a choice.

Zodiac's gameplay isnt bad at all, but it's quality is garbage.

[cyan3]

I like the combat system but I wish we had a way of using the PVP combat system in spars because I want to spar members of my own kingdom with full stats.

[Crimson2005]

Is Magic still overpowered?