Example of RC rights on a server - Page 3

Milkdude99 · #1 01-25-2004, 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by Blue_Dragn

You need VIP to rent, you need Gold to Get to VIP

Gold -> VIP

and if they rent for half, they are hosted for half, there is no extra cost there

If they are new to the Game yes, but who says you have to get gold for a year? At least get things in perspective, if you guys really don't like what is being done then hey find another game to play on... Pissing and moaning about it doesn't change anything.

Riot · #2 01-25-2004, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Most do not rent for a full year and even if they did just how long do you think a pissy amount like 10K will go? You have no idea of the cost involved in this game.

Myself being a major researcher on dedicated servers, I find that on average, a $100/month server is plenty to run a small game, 4-5 for a medium, and 8-12 on a large (unless each server requires a enormous amount of power, in which case the numbers would be different). Plus most places give discounts for owning multiple servers. For a game such as Graal, making $10,000 on playerworlds alone is a large improvement as to a few years ago where all they had were gold accounts that got access to a few servers, and the forums. Then before that when we didn't have to pay for diddly squat.

Milkdude99 · #3 01-25-2004, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by Mykel
Can't you see you are wrong? Also, you are alienating your players/buyers. These rules step over the line, for even free servers, I think, and belong no where with the bought servers.

Rules were approved and modified by Stefan and Unixmad so I don't see them changing.

Blue_Dragn · #4 01-25-2004, 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
At least get things in perspective,

I believe mine are nicely in perspective, im aruguinging from a valid standpoint, with at least partial points, what are you doing? Standing behind your PWA Title, Stefan, Unixmad, and the rules.

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if you guys really don't like what is being done then hey find another game to play on...

Ack there goes money!

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Pissing and moaning about it doesn't change anything.

It has before, and no one is pissing or moaning, except you are pissing and moaning to us to try and stop our valid arugument

Mykel · #5 01-25-2004, 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
If they are new to the Game yes, but who says you have to get gold for a year? At least get things in perspective, if you guys really don't like what is being done then hey find another game to play on... Pissing and moaning about it doesn't change anything.

Pissing and Moaning? I hardly think we are doing that. We are simply proving how you are wrong...

And did you just tell us to go find a new game? Your rules are ignorant, and that is painfully obvious, and I doubt they will stay, and even if they do, they won't be enforced...

Milkdude99 · #6 01-25-2004, 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by Mykel
Pissing and Moaning? I hardly think we are doing that. We are simply proving how you are wrong...

And did you just tell us to go find a new game? Your rules are ignorant, and that is painfully obvious, and I doubt they will stay, and even if they do, they won't be enforced...

Really? They are being enforced and what will happen if you don't is plainly posted with the rules, so do what you want and you will see enforcement if you refuse to follow them.

Mykel · #7 01-25-2004, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Really? They are being enforced and what will happen if you don't is plainly posted with the rules, so do what you want and you will see enforcement if you refuse to follow them.

Really, I think it would be interesting for Stefan to come on here and say that if we have 4 people with a level 4 RC (Possibly 4 friends scrapped up enough money to buy a server?) will be shut down. Now don't you see that as un-realistic, seeing as we not you, make graal money?

Milkdude99 · #8 01-25-2004, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by Blue_Dragn

what are you doing? Standing behind your PWA Title, Stefan, Unixmad, and the rules.

Yep your right and I will continue to do so as long as I am responsible for doing the PWA job I took..

Blitz_Hunter · #9 01-25-2004, 07:46 AM

You guys are breaking my refresh button.

ETD · #10 01-25-2004, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Pissing and moaning about it doesn't change anything.

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Rules were approved and modified by Stefan and Unixmad so I don't see them changing.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't the rules already change due to people complaining?
People complained that 2 level 4 RC's wasn't enough, so the rules got changed, to allow for 3...

so I really don't see your reasoning behind saying that complaining won't get the PW rules changed, when it just did not even a week ago

Mykel · #11 01-25-2004, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Yep your right and I will continue to do so as long as I am responsible for doing the PWA job I took..

You are telling me you do not find the server RC rules un-realistic? Give me an example of why these are needed. I am sure I can tell you why they aren't.

Blue_Dragn · #12 01-25-2004, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Yep your right and I will continue to do so as long as I am responsible for doing the PWA job I took..

I dont know if its too much to ask, but in the meantime could you come up with points that prove your point? I understand you have a job to do, but an arugument with the reason "because i said" which is what the pwa are saying with the reason we need to follow the rules, is really not good at all.

Yes i understand security, but if its people you can trust, you definatly know, then security should not be an issue, plus IP Locked RCs

sage_scooby · #13 01-25-2004, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by Mykel
Very true. And when you 'rent' a house, you can not allow anyone you wish. Except of course management. Also you can have as many 'head's of the household' as you want!

Your example doesn't fit.

X.x.....

Whoever lets you rent a house can set any rules before hand. If they limit people allowed in at one time you can get evicted for not complying with the rules. (or in this case terms of agreement and such) You agree to their rules. And if they edit them you have to abide by it because of the little part that says rules subject to change without notice. (or something similar)

Renting is far more different than owning.

Milkdude99 · #14 01-25-2004, 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by ETD

If I'm not mistaken, didn't the rules already change due to people complaining?
People complained that 2 level 4 RC's wasn't enough, so the rules got changed, to allow for 3...

so I really don't see your reasoning behind saying that complaining won't get the PW rules changed, when it just did not even a week ago

For valid reasons a rule may be changed but nothing here posted has any validty for changing anything.

Blitz_Hunter · #15 01-25-2004, 07:52 AM

Haha I believe MG is 'pwned'. But seriously calm down. There is like 5 new post every 30 seconds. Last time I counted. Mr. Refresh button is dead.