Example of RC rights on a server

[Milkdude99]

Most of the time all we hear are negative things about what a Playerworld has done wrong so I wanted to post something on what a Playerworld has done right for a change.
This is the way the Managers of Npulse got together and came up with a plan for Staff rights and RC levels. It is a very good example of a Playerworld following the PWA rule guidelines of RC Levels for Staff. Good job Npulse!


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Providing all RC IP's are set:

Summary:
Level 4's (2 members)
Ducati - Manager
DS - Manager

Level 3's (3 members)
Juli - Admin
Nerv - Admin
Beedoe - GP Chief

Level 2's
All GPs (GP Cadets get a restricted Level 2)

Level 1's
All other staff (FAQ and ET won't get an RC, just the warp rights)

Managers (x2)
Level 4
Warpto X Y
Warpto player
Warp players
Update Level
Disconnect Players
View Player Attributes
Set Player Attributes
Set The Own Attributes
Reset Attributes
Admin Message
Set server flags
Change rights
Ban players
Change comments
Change staff accounts
Change Server Options
Edit Folder configuration
Edit Folder Rights
NPC-Control

Admin's (x2)
Level 3
Warpto X Y
Warpto player
Warp players
Update Level
Disconnect Players
View Player Attributes
Set Player Attributes
Set The Own Attributes
Reset Attributes
Admin Message
Set server flags
Ban players
Change comments
NPC-Control


GP Chief
Level 3
Warpto X Y
Warpto player
Warp Players
Update Level
Disconnect Players
View Player Attributes
Set Player Attributes
Set The Own Attributes
Reset Attributes
Admin Message
Ban Players
Change comments

Asst. GP Chief
Level 2
Warpto X Y
Warpto player
Warp Players
Update Level
Disconnect Players
View Player Attributes
Set Player Attributes
Admin Message
Change Comments

Full GP's + GP Captain
Level 2
Warpto X Y
Warpto player
Warp Players
Update Level
Disconnect Players
View Player Attributes
Set Player Attributes
Admin Message
Change Comments

GP Cadets
Level 2 (restricted)
Warpto X Y
Warpto player
Update Level
View Player Attributes
Admin Message
Change Comments

NAT Chief
Level 1
Warpto X Y
Warpto player
Update Level
NPC Control

NAT's
Level 1
Warpto X Y
Warpto Players
Update Level

LAT's
Level 1
Warpto X Y
Warpto Players
Update Level

GAT's
Level 1
Warpto X Y
Warpto Players
Update Level

ET's
Level 1 (No RC Given)
Warpto X Y
Warpto Players
Update Level

FAQ's
Level 1 (No RC Given)
Warpto X Y
Warpto Players
Update Level

Guild Admin
Level 1
Warpto X Y
Warpto Players
Update Level

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They chose not to use at this time the 3rd Level4 RC.

[Blitz_Hunter]

Wow, What a coincedence.:o

[DarkShadows_Legend]

Was this really necessary?

Isn't there already a post that explains the whole deal with what rights should be given?

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend
Was this really necessary?

Isn't there already a post that explains the whole deal with what rights should be given?

The thread was and your comments aren't. People still are confused about rights and there is no post that goes into it in this much detail.

[protagonist]

Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend
Was this really necessary?

Isn't there already a post that explains the whole deal with what rights should be given?

It makes a good example, thanks in part to the fact MG ran it and had mostly responsible people put in place.

[Mykel]

Why should this be applied to servers that are paid for?

Who cares if they give 8 people level 4 RC's, and ban anyone who comes on, so what?

They paid for the server, everyone else can just stay away from it, eh?

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Mykel
Why should this be applied to servers that are paid for?

Who cares if they give 8 people level 4 RC's, and ban anyone who comes on, so what?

They paid for the server, everyone else can just stay away from it, eh?

Geez, it amazes me how hard this concept is...listen, You "RENT" the space to put your server on. You dont "OWN" anything.
Your server still represents Graal.

[Blitz_Hunter]

Originally posted by Darlene159
Geez, it amazes me how hard this concept is...listen, You "RENT" the space to put your server on. You dont "OWN" anything.
Your server still represents Graal.

Hmm..He is paying for it, so it's his. Kinda, like going to the store looking for some food. "Oh, look some ice cream." I payed for it, it's mine. :grin:

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Mykel
Why should this be applied to servers that are paid for?

Who cares if they give 8 people level 4 RC's, and ban anyone who comes on, so what?

They paid for the server, everyone else can just stay away from it, eh?

Because Graal cares for one and this is explained in much detail on these Forums so I suggest you read why it is the way it is.

Originally posted by Blitz_Hunter


Hmm..He is paying for it, so it's his. Kinda, like going to the store looking for some food. "Oh, look some ice cream." I payed for it, it's mine. :grin:

You aren't paying squat for what is involved in it and no you don't "own" anything . again I give you the same advice as Mykel , find the related post and read it before you post something as ignorant as this.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Darlene159
Geez, it amazes me how hard this concept is...listen, You "RENT" the space to put your server on. You dont "OWN" anything.
Your server still represents Graal.

Very true. And when you 'rent' a house, you can not allow anyone you wish. Except of course management. Also you can have as many 'head's of the household' as you want!

Your example doesn't fit.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Because Graal cares for one and this is explained in much detail on these Forums so I suggest you read why it is the way it is.

Why aren't their differences in the rules though?
A free server, that graal hosts, and has to pay for by itself should have strict rules, like the ones given. A server that we pay for that is 'guarenteed' to make graal money should have much less strict ones, no?

Originally posted by Milkdude99 You aren't paying squat for what is involved in it and no you don't "own" anything . again I give you the same advice as Mykel , find the related post and read it before you post something as ignorant as this.

But you are very quick to repeat something that was already made clear...weren't you?

[Riot]

We may "rent" space from graal, but during that time that space is ours, with graal monitoring it.
Also we have to pay for accounts (since we only get one account with it) so they are making even more money, so why must we have strict rights?

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Mykel
Why aren't their differences in the rules though?
A free server, that graal hosts, and has to pay for by itself should have strict rules, like the ones given. A server that we pay for that is 'guarenteed' to make graal money should have much less strict ones, no?

No , matter of fact it doesn't make money till players play the server , the cost involved in the PW alone is much more than you "Pay". It's called maketing Mykel and a way to get players more interested in working to make a PW that will hopefully in time make Graal money. Graal is responsible for all content and Management of the PWs regardless if it is a hosted server or not. Graal has a responsiblity to the paying players of Graal when they upgrade to provide a Game worth their money and run properly. It's business plain and simple Mykel and if you don't understand business then don't "rent" a PW.

Originally posted by Riot
We may "rent" space from graal, but during that time that space is ours, with graal monitoring it.
Also we have to pay for accounts (since we only get one account with it) so they are making even more money, so why must we have strict rights?

To cut down on abuse mainly, which in turn is always player related in some way and when people pay for a Game they cannot be abused in anyway for the business to stay in business. Would you pay for something that you are mistreated and abused on? Doubtful, so don't expect Graal to just let people do whatever they want to do on servers they don't own on a Game they don't own. Graal is the only one that stands to lose here by not doing this not some person who temporarily rents a space for a PW.

[ETD]

Yea, n-pulse is like that, because you sat there, and walked them through setting everything up...
lets see you do that for all 114 PWs... or do they all not get equal treatment?

anyways, EoA is set up well within the guidlines:

All accounts are IP protected by 2 numbers (#.#.*.*) or more.

Level 4 RC's:
-PW Renter (Es Canavi)
-PW Manager (ME)
-PW Asst-Manager (PrinceDark)

Level 3 RC's:
-all 3 Admins - Zerxus, CasanovaCanavi, KyleOdin

after that, I don't go by levels... I just give people only the rights they NEED to do their jobs. Most development staff have their own folder, where they upload their stuff to that, then the higher staff move it to the main folder.

anyways, it's not very hard to be well within the guidlines, as long as people read the rules carefully.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
No , matter of fact it doesn't make money till players play the server , the cost involved in the PW alone is much more than you "Pay". It's called maketing Mykel and a way to get players more interested in working to make a PW that will hopefully in time make Graal money. Graal is responsible for all content and Management of the PWs regardless if it is a hosted server or not. Graal has a responsiblity to the paying players of Graal when they upgrade to provide a Game worth their money and run properly. It's business plain and simple Mykel and if you don't understand business then don't "rent" a PW.

Lmao, you amuse me. You actually think Stefan would let 10's-100's of people buy servers if he was actually losing money on each one? And the funny thing is, that rules have gotten tighter since these PWs have been bought. It makes no sense, who cares if someone wants to have 5 level 4 RC's. If they get everything deleted you just say: HEY, GUY WHO BOUGHT SERBER G3TS S3RV3R! HAW, mai job is herd.

Easily solved....


[edit]I remember a time when Delteria had a Manager, Co-Manager, and 3 Admins with level 4 RC, and we never had a problem. Never a power struggle, nothing.[/edit]

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by ETD
Yea, n-pulse is like that, because you sat there, and walked them through setting everything up...
lets see you do that for all 114 PWs... or do they all not get equal treatment?

anyways, it's not very hard to be well within the guidlines, as long as people read the rules carefully.

No I didn't either ETD, I gave them the links as I do anyone, it took DS 2 days to put this together while conferring with Ducati on it. This is their setup not mine but I do approve highly on what they have done here. It was submitted to me in a PM to see if it followed the guidelines on the game. I will not and have not setup any Staff RCs on a PW, that's the Managers job to comply with the rules not for me to do it for them and I won't. And I agree with you it isn't hard to follow.

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Mykel
Lmao, you amuse me. You actually think Stefan would let 10's-100's of people buy servers if he was actually losing money on each one? And the funny thing is, that rules have gotten tighter since these PWs have been bought. It makes no sense, who cares if someone wants to have 5 level 4 RC's. If they get everything deleted you just say: HEY, GUY WHO BOUGHT SERBER G3TS S3RV3R! HAW, mai job is herd.

Easily solved....

I have to agree with everyone above me practically. I dont think one person getting slightly mistreated on one of nearly 200 playerworlds will cause graal to lose money

Plus look here, the accounts that can access the UC servers are already Gold or VIP, Graal has already made its money there, plus they had to pay for the server, Double Shot! plus all the staff had to have upgraded accts, Man, in some places thats like a 10 fold ring of money.

I dont think if i was to go to [generic server] and be mistrated that i would stop playing, to me, these servers represent nothing untill they are under the classic tab.

Edit:

and in some places these servers will never represent anything

Plus i dont know about you, but server renting and VIP? Combined if most servers rented for the whole year, or if half of those rented for 6 months, since you needed VIP to rent

As far as buisness goes, its all math from there o.O

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Blue_Dragn

Stuff

Regardless if you agree or disagree won't change anything. If you don't like the rules it's simple , don't rent , remain a player. And your statement of one person being mistreated just shows how little you really know what goes on with Graal. Hah just look around the forums you will find plenty of complaint threads started here about abuse of players.

[Mykel]

Myself and Riot were doing a little math. Lets say in the past year Graal has sold 100 servers. (It has sold more, but in the name of fairness, I will round down )
That calculates to $10,000. A webserver would cost them around $1,200, and they would probably need about 3-4, but with just the income on servers alone, they could but up to 8, with money left over. And we aren't talking about the tons of people that upgrade gold for GK alone, or VIP for forums, or VIP for UC servers.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Regardless if you agree or disagree won't change anything. If you don't like the rules it's simple , don't rent , remain a player.

So what? What if I have a server with 4 level 4 RCs? Who has to shut it down? Stefan, correct? (Or Unix)
And I doubt he would shut it down.

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Regardless if you agree or disagree won't change anything. If you don't like the rules it's simple , don't rent , remain a player.

Its not that i agree/disagree with the rules. Its that i disagree with your claims that it will cause graal to lose money.

Plus, correct me if im wrong here, but your shunning me from becoming a renter, is losing graal money in the long run. [situation=theoretical] because now i feel like since i disagree, i dont need the vip upgrade to rent the server, and now i wont be renting the server, and my potiential staff wont need to upgrade [/situation]

Im sorry to come off so rude here but i believe you understand how that works?

And your statement of one person being mistreated just shows how little you really know what goes on with Graal. Hah just look around the forums you will find plenty of complaint threads started here about abuse of players.

Your statements just show your lack of tolerance for people who dont believe the UC servers represent graal. Also your lack of tolerance for people who would like to enjoy things a diffrent way. The Reason there are abuse threads? Most of the people who post the abuse threads have minimal posts, short attention span, or lack of power to see the apparent.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Mykel
So what? What if I have a server with 4 level 4 RCs? Who has to shut it down? Stefan, correct? (Or Unix)
And I doubt he would shut it down.

Wrong , Spark can shut it down or move it to private if it is public.

[konidias]

So let me get this straight.

- A person wants to run a playerworld.
- That person must purchase a gold account
- That person must have a VIP account.
- So far, they have spent about 45 dollars.
- They must then purchase the space for their server.
- That's about 100 more dollars, for a total of 145 dollars.
- Then they will need other people to help them with the server, who will all need gold accounts to access their private server. Let's say they have 5 people working. That's 28 dollars a person per minimum. Totaling 140 dollars.

- Add it all together, and you have 285 dollars.

So you're basically telling everyone, that for 285 dollars, you get the opportunity, for you and your group, to put hours upon hours of work into a playerworld, while following all the rules and guidelines that have been set in place by Graal, just for the priviledge, of making Graal more money.

Wow, doesn't that sound enticing?

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Mykel
Myself and Riot were doing a little math. Lets say in the past year Graal has sold 100 servers. (It has sold more, but in the name of fairness, I will round down )
That calculates to $10,000. A webserver would cost them around $1,200, and they would probably need about 3-4, but with just the income on servers alone, they could but up to 8, with money left over. And we aren't talking about the tons of people that upgrade gold for GK alone, or VIP for forums, or VIP for UC servers.

Most do not rent for a full year and even if they did just how long do you think a pissy amount like 10K will go? You have no idea of the cost involved in this game.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Wrong , Spark can shut it down or move it to private if it is public.

And he would shut it down for this reason? I don't belive so. And if he would, I would be trying to get in contact with Stefan instantly.

These rules are amazing. You are going to tell us what people on our servers need, as far as right wise?

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Most do not rent for a full year and even if they did just how long do you think a pissy amount like 10K will go? You have no idea of the cost involved in this game.

Also, we weren't counting the account, remembers....and if they don't rent for 1 year, then they don't have to be hosted for 1 year....so same difference...

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by konidias
So let me get this straight.

All you have to have is a $19 a year VIP account and $59 for 6 months to "rent" a PW. Nobody has said squat about having to have a Gold and VIP account. Nice to see you have your facts straight...

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
All you have to have is a $19 a year VIP account and $59 for 6 months to "rent" a PW. Nobody has said squat about having to have a Gold and VIP account. Nice to see you have your facts straight...

You need VIP to rent, you need Gold to Get to VIP

Gold -> VIP

and if they rent for half, they are hosted for half, there is no extra cost there

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
All you have to have is a $19 a year VIP account and $59 for 6 months to "rent" a PW. Nobody has said squat about having to have a Gold and VIP account. Nice to see you have your facts straight...

Can't you see you are wrong? Also, you are alienating your players/buyers. These rules step over the line, for even free servers, I think, and belong no where with the bought servers.

[Blitz_Hunter]

It's your money, do what you want with it. and Graal makes the money when we pay them the money. Not when players play the server. I could buy a server and let it sit there with no staff or anything and who is still making money? I think you know who

btw..Koni..I love you man..

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Blue_Dragn



You need VIP to rent, you need Gold to Get to VIP

Gold -> VIP

and if they rent for half, they are hosted for half, there is no extra cost there

If they are new to the Game yes, but who says you have to get gold for a year? At least get things in perspective, if you guys really don't like what is being done then hey find another game to play on... Pissing and moaning about it doesn't change anything.

[Riot]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Most do not rent for a full year and even if they did just how long do you think a pissy amount like 10K will go? You have no idea of the cost involved in this game.

Myself being a major researcher on dedicated servers, I find that on average, a $100/month server is plenty to run a small game, 4-5 for a medium, and 8-12 on a large (unless each server requires a enormous amount of power, in which case the numbers would be different). Plus most places give discounts for owning multiple servers. For a game such as Graal, making $10,000 on playerworlds alone is a large improvement as to a few years ago where all they had were gold accounts that got access to a few servers, and the forums. Then before that when we didn't have to pay for diddly squat.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Mykel
Can't you see you are wrong? Also, you are alienating your players/buyers. These rules step over the line, for even free servers, I think, and belong no where with the bought servers.

Rules were approved and modified by Stefan and Unixmad so I don't see them changing.

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
At least get things in perspective,

I believe mine are nicely in perspective, im aruguinging from a valid standpoint, with at least partial points, what are you doing? Standing behind your PWA Title, Stefan, Unixmad, and the rules.

if you guys really don't like what is being done then hey find another game to play on...

Ack there goes money!

Pissing and moaning about it doesn't change anything.

It has before, and no one is pissing or moaning, except you are pissing and moaning to us to try and stop our valid arugument

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
If they are new to the Game yes, but who says you have to get gold for a year? At least get things in perspective, if you guys really don't like what is being done then hey find another game to play on... Pissing and moaning about it doesn't change anything.

Pissing and Moaning? I hardly think we are doing that. We are simply proving how you are wrong...

And did you just tell us to go find a new game? Your rules are ignorant, and that is painfully obvious, and I doubt they will stay, and even if they do, they won't be enforced...

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Mykel
Pissing and Moaning? I hardly think we are doing that. We are simply proving how you are wrong...

And did you just tell us to go find a new game? Your rules are ignorant, and that is painfully obvious, and I doubt they will stay, and even if they do, they won't be enforced...

Really? They are being enforced and what will happen if you don't is plainly posted with the rules, so do what you want and you will see enforcement if you refuse to follow them.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Really? They are being enforced and what will happen if you don't is plainly posted with the rules, so do what you want and you will see enforcement if you refuse to follow them.

Really, I think it would be interesting for Stefan to come on here and say that if we have 4 people with a level 4 RC (Possibly 4 friends scrapped up enough money to buy a server?) will be shut down. Now don't you see that as un-realistic, seeing as we not you, make graal money?

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Blue_Dragn


what are you doing? Standing behind your PWA Title, Stefan, Unixmad, and the rules.

Yep your right and I will continue to do so as long as I am responsible for doing the PWA job I took..

[Blitz_Hunter]

You guys are breaking my refresh button.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Pissing and moaning about it doesn't change anything.

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Rules were approved and modified by Stefan and Unixmad so I don't see them changing.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't the rules already change due to people complaining?
People complained that 2 level 4 RC's wasn't enough, so the rules got changed, to allow for 3...

so I really don't see your reasoning behind saying that complaining won't get the PW rules changed, when it just did not even a week ago