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Old 04-09-2002, 04:05 AM
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Re: Babylon

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LordHelmut you should get babylon taken down adn start a new server project with staff you trust. Yes I understand you quit graal but you have good skillz that people dont want to go to waste. I hope you take my idea. thx

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Old 04-09-2002, 04:05 AM
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Old 04-09-2002, 05:04 AM
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Lord Helmut owns you all, and he should take down the damn server. Helmut e-mail Stefan and tell him to take it down.
How is it that the main point is escaping most of you? He gave up the rights to the server , good bad or indifferent the result is the same , he does not own it any longer and as I saw the agreement was "only that he had RC and FTP" which did not include the rights back as Owner now did it? BUT I am by no means saying what was done to LH was right by any means, but his actions out of anger (which I am sure we all would have been)
does not justify what he did afterward , in short 2 wrongs will never make a right.If he was wronged as I suspect he was indeed ,what he should have done was resolve it with the PW Admin , after all is that not what they are here for? Then the whole thing would not have blown up and been something to comment on here...Geo gave up the rights to Npulse with no agreement he just wanted out and did stay away for some time, but he did come back and ask ummm or should I say demanded it back , well as you all can see I refused that request not to be mean or nasty to the Founder of Npulse for I have a great respect for what he did there but for the very reason that I was afraid he would indeed abandon Npulse once again for personal reasons as he did before and my interest is to keep alive what he Started and no Npulse is nothing like it was when he had it and never will be for each one of us has his own taste and ideas . this neither make I or Geo wrong in what we have done but only that we are not the same, so you Owners think long and hard before you give up what you may have created for in the end if you give it away , it may be yours in the spirit and mind of those who started with you but it will belong to someone else and may and will change to something of their creation.
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Old 04-09-2002, 05:20 AM
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Old 04-09-2002, 06:07 AM
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He got unbanned by someone then banned you or somehting like that I dont remember it completely
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Do you know how stupid you sound. Lord Helmut IP Banned him, yet he had lvl 2 RC without FTP. So basically, your point is Helmut IP banned him without the rights, please, please do explain.
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Old 04-09-2002, 06:16 AM
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How is it that the main point is escaping most of you? He gave up the rights to the server , good bad or indifferent the result is the same , he does not own it any longer and as I saw the agreement was "only that he had RC and FTP" which did not include the rights back as Owner now did it? BUT I am by no means saying what was done to LH was right by any means, but his actions out of anger (which I am sure we all would have been)
does not justify what he did afterward , in short 2 wrongs will never make a right.If he was wronged as I suspect he was indeed ,what he should have done was resolve it with the PW Admin , after all is that not what they are here for? Then the whole thing would not have blown up and been something to comment on here...Geo gave up the rights to Npulse with no agreement he just wanted out and did stay away for some time, but he did come back and ask ummm or should I say demanded it back , well as you all can see I refused that request not to be mean or nasty to the Founder of Npulse for I have a great respect for what he did there but for the very reason that I was afraid he would indeed abandon Npulse once again for personal reasons as he did before and my interest is to keep alive what he Started and no Npulse is nothing like it was when he had it and never will be for each one of us has his own taste and ideas . this neither make I or Geo wrong in what we have done but only that we are not the same, so you Owners think long and hard before you give up what you may have created for in the end if you give it away , it may be yours in the spirit and mind of those who started with you but it will belong to someone else and may and will change to something of their creation.
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Old 04-09-2002, 06:19 AM
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funny thing is, i didnt have levels FTP which is required to IP ban since the IP ban txt file is in there so how exactly did I IP Ban him?

Also, hes the one that got on and banned me so how did he do that if he was banned?

IP ban is in the logs folder.

Well it is for Providence anyway.. might not be for Babylon because it's a free server.
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Old 04-09-2002, 06:21 AM
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IP ban txt is in levels folder and i did not have access to levels folder
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Old 04-09-2002, 06:25 AM
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IP ban txt is in levels folder and i did not have access to levels folder
What was your "agreement?"
I never saw where it said...?
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Old 04-09-2002, 07:58 AM
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Old 04-09-2002, 08:04 AM
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I'm sorry I didnt get to this thread sooner, I awoke late the following day after the disaster because I stayed up all night trying to get a start message to work, which in the end I couldnt figure out how to. I think it was because the original file was .htm instead of .html....not sure but here it is:

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Babylon Server Message
Subject: In Reaction to Recent Events Date: Sunday, 07 April 2002
Ion and I had considered getting a fresh start by wiping staff, rehiring those who had been active and had done their job well. Unfortunately, we experienced an attack by the former owner of Babylon, Lord Helmut. Luckily, with some help, I was able to get back on the RC and IP Ban him. By the time I was able to get things back under control Babylon had taken massive damage…He had warped a few players to jail, deleted all their weapons and flags, and I think even gave some people higher level equipment. Every file in the Head, Shield, Sword, Body, and Guild folders was deleted. This is in reality the 3rd time something unfortunate has befallen the server within my short time as owner. I have changed all staff account passwords, and we will revert back to the Blacklisting policy (i.e. don’t bother Staff on RC about positions). I’ll post information about how to apply for various jobs I guess in a few days. Ion and I will review the performance of current Staff, and rehire those who have proved themselves and can devote time consistently to our cause. RC’s in general won’t be restored until things can be straightened out to a satisfactory level, hopefully within the next day or two. Sorry guys…
Poster: Zen (Owner)

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Lord Helmut threw out alot of half truths in his original post in this thread.

Like my second or so day as owner with Babylon actually being 'up' (was down for about a week because of that DNS problem thing) Coolnick deleted every file in the levels folder that started with 'B'...that would set anybody back in their plans for expansion. A bit later, Cortez pulled a similar stunt, so I took care of both of them. I of course didnt have a backup copy so soon, even though I had tried (and i think Ion can vouch for me here because I was really frustrated that I was having problems with the downloading).

So I found out that Lord Helmut had a sorta old backup...but he wouldnt give it to me. He instead decided to try and blackmail me to make gfx for FTO for him even though I had offered it freely. He wanted me to work more consistantly I guess than on my own free will (I cant read his mind, I doubt anybody can). He said he would give me one file a night...Coolnick thought that was crap of course(all this happened before he was actually fired, I had taken his levels folder access though at this point) and I have to say I didnt object when he changed LH's RC password, which would only be temporary untill he would stop harrassing us. A bit later, Lord Helmut had his full rights restored, I guess Ion did but I didnt object, because we were still friends and he was founder.

I got the levels pack, but this was NOT the same day that LH blew up, it was at least a week ago. I took away some of his rights this latest time because I got on RC one day and everybody was complaining that Lord Helmut had got on and he had in his name "BABYLON IS DEAD HAAHAHAHAAHA", and stripped Kronan of his rights...which was really out of place because he didnt even work on the server anymore. I checked the logs to make sure, and seeing him acting in this behavior and knowing how LH can lash out, I think anybody would have made a similar decision to safegaurd the server's security, especially after how badly I got screwed over by Coolnick and Cortez, both people that I trusted. Even that was a few days before LH's attack actually happened, I guess because he didnt log on to actually notice for a while. We were friends right up to the moment he spazzed, we were laughing up north in some cave, and he notices he was low on rights.

He starts cussing, and got mad at Odyssey just for defending me. Klone took sides with LH, and of course he was glorified for it. It seems as though hes only a nice person when your on his good side. I remember when Coolnick had changed his pass, Lord Helmut was calling him a little kid and was drawing pictures of him killing coolnick...even though he was inittially going to give ownership to Coolnick. Hmm, now I had offended him, but I believed and still beleive it was for a justified reason, and he was going on how i was the worst person ever to be picked as owner, and that Klone should have been picked...WOW and guess what??? Klone was defending him in the chat.

That brings up another point, I never made any phantom agreement with Lord Helmut that he would keep any and all rights unconditionally. I learned of the whole thing from Coolnick when he sent me the RC convo he had had with 'Coolnick' at which point he was planning on giving 'him' the ownership.

During the attack, he never IP banned me, but he did 'ban' me, and he kept disconnecting me...I couldnt keep myself on long enough to stop anything. During which time he royally screwed up the FTP that he did have access to and ruined quite a few players' characters. Knowing Richter, I asked him if there was any way he could help me. Yes, he did mess up Sanstrata, but he had constructive purpose..he wasnt trying to be a spycho(sp?) with destructive intentions, like Lord Helmut. He enabled me to stay on the RC long enough to take LH's D/C right, and things got a bit better from there.

And to whoever said I left Babylon 'hating' Lord Helmut, they are horribly mistaken. I announced I was going to leave like half a day before LH entrusted Babylon to me...and my post on the Babylon forums was really friendly.

*ahem* I'm sorry its so long but please take the time to read it, hopefully it will clear up some people's misconceptions.
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Old 04-09-2002, 08:12 AM
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Nice way to put it =).
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Old 04-09-2002, 08:25 AM
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U dumb ass no. it even says on this site once levels are on graal they are property of graalonline. coon gave thoes levels to Yakuna and Brandon took them off Bravo at his will.
I believe once again it's another idiot who has no idea what they're talking about.


That has to do with the Graal Online servers: Graal 2001, Graal 2002, and Graal Classic. Only those servers are protected under the copyrite. Playerworlds must create their own contract in the beginning if they would like to have the same type of deal, and have all of their staff to agree to it. So do not go spreading your bull **** around. Here's a famous phrase for you:

"You can't bull **** a bull shitter, and if you manage to, you won't ever again."

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Old 04-09-2002, 08:27 AM
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Zen! Why didn't you tell me you use the account name homeless1? I thought you were a hacker I saw on Babylon once and I was like "Huzza?!" Wts, Zen.
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Old 04-09-2002, 08:31 AM
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Oh and and also I dont know what time of day Lord Helmut is getting on, but we dont have max of 4 players lol. At peak times there is about 17-20, I'm on right now and there is 14. I think thats pretty damn good considering how many times i've been drastically set back, and I've only been owner for around about a month, part of which Babylon was down for the DNS problems. I have had alot of work done, but not much was linked and/or uploaded. I'm trying to get a set of islands done dedicated totally to events and mini-games.

Also, we dont have an exact copy of the dustari kingdom place. A place called Alexandera was uploaded without my having knowledge of it before hand (ugh) and as soon as I saw it I shut it down. Lord Helmut was refering only to the bridge, which had a pattern I guess that could resemble Dustari's on the main part. I had everyting that was on it deleted and some obvious errors fixed. I couldnt tell about that bridge myself, but the whole area has been closed off from public view with a wall, and I set to work on putting up this wall as SOON as i learned of the place.

He tried to get Don Kihote to hack the server soon after, I know because he asked me why Helmut asked him to LOL. I explained to him the situation and he went back to Sanstrata...So no blame on him lol.
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