Information on the Zormite situation. - Page 2

Raelyn · #1 10-08-2006, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OasaTor_PK

make me leader of zormite

We'll get right on that. </sarcasm>

Draenin · #2 10-08-2006, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Raelyn

What's happened in the past is in the past, why are you trying to avenge something that is long dead?

Because it was bug abuse, and unjustified.

CidNight1142 · #3 10-09-2006, 12:40 AM

I'd have to say going with Googi, Kyden, Damix, or someone in that line would be a good idea. I really think having a person in who doesn't take the system so seriously will do a better job.

And yes, they should be upset about what Alarico did. Since it was fairly atrocious.

Raelyn · #4 10-09-2006, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CidNight1142

I'd have to say going with Googi, Kyden, Damix, or someone in that line would be a good idea. I really think having a person in who doesn't take the system so seriously will do a better job.

And yes, they should be upset about what Alarico did. Since it was fairly atrocious.

So you're disqualifying me because I take myself and my position seriously rather than immaturely blowing everything off and doing whatever "feels" right?

Waltz5 · #5 10-09-2006, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Raelyn

So you're disqualifying me because I take myself and my position seriously rather than immaturely blowing everything off and doing whatever "feels" right?

Take the pole out... it's Graal.

And if you have power right now, why isn't Zormite flourishing with members as you said?
Vote Googi.

Raelyn · #6 10-09-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Waltz5

Take the pole out... it's Graal.

And if you have power right now, why isn't Zormite flourishing with members as you said?
Vote Googi.

I was only given power, and limited power, a few days ago. You try reviving a kingdom in 72 hours.

CidNight1142 · #7 10-09-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Raelyn

So you're disqualifying me because I take myself and my position seriously rather than immaturely blowing everything off and doing whatever "feels" right?

I think that 'taking yourself and your position seriously' will cause you to overthink the situation. Some of your ideas are great. Working with new players really is the key to good kingdoms. You can have all the power wielding lvl 110's in your army and you're still going to have an 8 member kingdom. I'd much rather have 30 members ranging from levels 5-110. But in that same respect, having a simplistic leader that isn't going to expect the world from the level 5 noob is going to help your kingdom blossom in that way.

Raelyn · #8 10-09-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CidNight1142

I think that 'taking yourself and your position seriously' will cause you to overthink the situation. Some of your ideas are great. Working with new players really is the key to good kingdoms. You can have all the power wielding lvl 110's in your army and you're still going to have an 8 member kingdom. I'd much rather have 30 members ranging from levels 5-110. But in that same respect, having a simplistic leader that isn't going to expect the world from the level 5 noob is going to help your kingdom blossom in that way.

I'd never expect the world of a level 5 noob, I'd expect the rest of the kingdom to be doing their best to try to help no longer BE a level 5 noob.

I think your logical is flawed.

Furthermore, having a simplistic leader will only result in your kingdom being led by a simpleton.

CidNight1142 · #9 10-09-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Raelyn

Furthermore, having a simplistic leader will only result in your kingdom being led by a simpleton.

Or one that leads the most powerful and popular kingdom for well over a year. Whichever one works.

Drakeero · #10 10-09-2006, 01:13 AM

Uninspired leaders who don't take their rank seriously usually get to watch their kingdom utterly decay beneath them unless they're good, or the kingdom itself is relatively powerful and self-maintaining.

Zormite is not very healthy right now, and it is certainly not self maintaining. It needs a leader who will take its development (not its state of war with everyone) seriously in order to improve.

CidNight1142 · #11 10-09-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Drakeero

Uninspired leaders who don't take their rank seriously usually get to watch their kingdom utterly decay beneath them unless they're good, or the kingdom itself is relatively powerful and self-maintaining.

Zormite is not very healthy right now, and it is certainly not self maintaining. It needs a leader who will take its development (not its state of war with everyone) seriously in order to improve.

The only successful kingdom leader in the past year has been Alan Steele. He's the only one who's lasted longer than a few weeks, no matter a year or longer. His approach is most definately not powergaming and manhandling his ranks. He has fun. He runs events because they're fun and he keeps his members happy by being nice to them and not treating the lvl 110 powergamer any better than the babyfaced lvl 4 noob. A little bit of nonchalance goes a long way.

Raelyn · #12 10-09-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CidNight1142

The only successful kingdom leader in the past year has been Alan Steele. He's the only one who's lasted longer than a few weeks, no matter a year or longer. His approach is most definately not powergaming and manhandling his ranks. He has fun. He runs events because they're fun and he keeps his members happy by being nice to them and not treating the lvl 110 powergamer any better than the babyfaced lvl 4 noob. A little bit of nonchalance goes a long way.

I highly disagree, while I do think that having fun and holding events is a good way to run a kingdom, keep in mind, he became governor because he is Lisa's husband, an already established member of CP, and despite the fact that he had only been playing graal for about a month, was handed the position on a silver platter, after it had just been exploited away from Ziro and sold USD to someone else.

If you want to argue here about Googi's vendetta being proper because Zormite was stolen and sold USD, you might as well replace Alan as leader of CP for the same reason.

Alan has done alot for treating his members well, and keeping the game fun with frequent events, but in that same respect, he doesn't run a kingdom of pirates, he runs a kingdom of adolescents who think pirates are cool. Arrr.

Draenin · #13 10-09-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Raelyn

On a side note, I love how everyone says "I am/will be trying to bring <insert kingdom name here> back to it's former glory!" Yet Kingdoms have been relatively inactive for the past 2 years? (estimation)

Lack of Players.

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And if you have power right now, why isn't Zormite flourishing with members as you said?

Lack of Players.

Waltz5 · #14 10-09-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Lack of Players.
Lack of Players.

Oh yeah... I know. And for that I blame mainly Stefan and Bjorn. Oh wait better stop, I don't want to dissapoint Sam again.

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Originally Posted by CidNight1142

THe has fun. He runs events because they're fun and he keeps his members happy by being nice to them and not treating the lvl 110 powergamer any better than the babyfaced lvl 4 noob. A little bit of nonchalance goes a long way.

Nothing against Alan, but he also has the easiest kingdom to run and participate in... come on, what adolescent kid doesn't mind being a Pirate? Arrrrrrr.

OasaTor_PK · #15 10-09-2006, 01:21 AM

I am clearly the best choice for this:
1.) I have RP skillz.
2.) I own you all.
3.) I dont take no for an answer.
4.) I am elite.
5.) I rock your face.
6.) I deserve it cause I rock some socks.

Raelyn · #16 10-09-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OasaTor_PK

I am clearly the best choice for this:
1.) I have RP skillz.
2.) I own you all.
3.) I dont take no for an answer.
4.) I am elite.
5.) I rock your face.
6.) I deserve it cause I rock some socks.

7.) You're an idiot, and that trait would go much farther.

Drakeero · #17 10-09-2006, 01:29 AM

CidNight, thank you for supporting one half of my argument.

My aggressive improvements will be in the land and buildings of Zormite, but as for the recruits, do I wish them to be happy and productive members, but I would not force them into over complicated RP's, maintain rigid event schedules, and such things. I would create an environment easier for people to advance in the game by their own effort instead of having to scratch for their own survival, or have everything handed to them.

But I WOULD however, man-handle the ranks quite a bit. For starters, there's too many of them, and they're too complicated or even meaningless! Trim down, short, simple, a few mininstries for some variety, but not that sprawling mess we have now.

CidNight1142 · #18 10-09-2006, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Drakeero

Trim down, short, simple, a few mininstries for some variety, but not that sprawling mess we have now.

I agree with this. Less is more in this aspect.

Drakeero · #19 10-09-2006, 01:36 AM

Simplicity is good, because less things can go wrong, but on the flip side... the simplest thing you can do in Graal is pretty much swing a pickaxe at a rock. Very straightforward, yet I haven't had any competition for stones in days.

Diversity, is a good thing as well. It allows for more fun. There are more things to do, more things to explore, break up your routine so you don't get bored.

Complication, is sometimes good, because it leads to diversity. But complication for the sake of complication, is death to a kingdom.

Things must be kept simple enough for people to have fun, but complicated enough to maintain diversity. Anything I introduce, try to do, I try to put together into a bigger picture in my head. So things can mesh together and be both diverse and moderately simple.

Raelyn · #20 10-09-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CidNight1142

I agree with this. Less is more in this aspect.

I know, good god, I still can't figure out why there is a rank for "commoner" when there are clearly not enough players to have "commoner" as a viable rank option, and sadly, the large majority of Zormite (inactive) members, are Commoner.

CidNight1142 · #21 10-09-2006, 01:38 AM

I'd say that Zormite needs to start simple. Maybe even just a straight line of 'military ranks'. After a decent member base is made, then create some ministries and add members to those ranks.
In other words, don't create complexity until you have enough members to call for it.

Drakeero · #22 10-09-2006, 01:40 AM

Another little peice of wisdom I believe in.

Kingdoms can be built up just like anything else.

Raelyn · #23 10-09-2006, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CidNight1142

I'd say that Zormite needs to start simple. Maybe even just a straight line of 'military ranks'. After a decent member base is made, then create some ministries and add members to those ranks.
In other words, don't create complexity until you have enough members to call for it.

My thoughts exactly;

Emperor
-Empress
--Warlord

---General
----Lieutenant
-----Soldier

---Wizard
----Mage
-----Apprentice

---Priest
----Cleric
-----Acolyte

Granted, some of these ranks would fill multiple functions, that's all you really need to start with.

Drakeero · #24 10-09-2006, 02:02 AM

Well, as you said, start simple. You need a member base before you can do much.

It's also doubtful we'll be pulling off grand RP's right from very start. But here's an RP idea.

"The Zormite empire sent a team of miners into the stone mine on the main island, they labored for awhile, and built up a good amount of stones. A ship was sent to retrieve the stones, coal, and iron. The Crescent Pirates, want that stuff, and so they'll do what they do best. Be pirates."

There we go. Action, drama, warfare, some rules that may need to be followed via the honor code, but presto, pirates can be pirates, zormites can be zormites, everyone can have a fun time, and its a simple but muchly desired prize.

But to do that, I'd need enough Zormites to actually be able to fight. So yes, I do have much RP planned down the road, and not just rp events. I have several other RP aspects planned that I don't want to talk about here because of the amount of space it would take up.

Draenin · #25 10-09-2006, 02:31 AM

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That's pretty much roleplaying. RPing doesn't require you to be an elitist who writes a 6 page backstory.

It's good to know there are at least some out there that view it the way I do when it comes to that.

CidNight1142 · #26 10-09-2006, 02:33 AM

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That's pretty much roleplaying. RPing doesn't require you to be an elitist who writes a 6 page backstory.

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Originally Posted by Draenin

It's good to know there are at least some out there that view it the way I do when it comes to that.

Sam · #27 10-09-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Waltz5

Sam doesn't like me

That's wrong!

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On a side note, I love how everyone says "I am/will be trying to bring <insert kingdom name here> back to it's former glory!" Yet Kingdoms have been relatively inactive for the past 2 years? (estimation)

I remember when Nalle was queen of Samurai. There was also all other kingdoms much more active, also their leaders.
Active is a kingdom if the leader is active and doing RP and is online to play the game.
You can see that in CP.
For me a good choice is an leader who dont idle on debug or in traderoom, but cares on his kingdom members and make and have fun together!

Raelyn · #28 10-09-2006, 05:49 PM

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I remember when Nalle was queen of Samurai. There was also all other kingdoms much more active, also their leaders.
Active is a kingdom if the leader is active and doing RP and is online to play the game.
You can see that in CP.
For me a good choice is an leader who dont idle on debug or in traderoom, but cares on his kingdom members and make and have fun together!

Precisely, which is what I have been trying to do with the few active Zormite members we have now. Unfortunately, it's hard to hold events between me, Uri and Drakeero, but I have been trying to get us together for hunting and helping new members and other things as well. We were mapping together this weekend, and I intend to make group hunting a common thing. With the addition of new low level members, for alot of them, leveling up and buying new skills and spells is priority. Something very important to me is making sure all the members of the kingdom are of an adequate level to be able to survive on their own while hunting in dungeons and maps etc, and making sure they have the basic skills and spells, like restoration. We all know how frustrating it is to run out of food and get diseases when you're new. Also, providing new members with skill scrolls is a must, I know as a barbarian, starting out, I must have failed literacy and piety a half a dozen times, but in GK, these are truly mandatory skills.

I had to struggle to come up with these, and I wish I had others helping when I was new. So that is something I would like to assist new players with, because it is so very frustrating.

Raelyn · #29 10-11-2006, 12:12 AM

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Precisely, which is what I have been trying to do with the few active Zormite members we have now. Unfortunately, it's hard to hold events between me, Uri and Drakeero, but I have been trying to get us together for hunting and helping new members and other things as well. We were mapping together this weekend, and I intend to make group hunting a common thing. With the addition of new low level members, for alot of them, leveling up and buying new skills and spells is priority. Something very important to me is making sure all the members of the kingdom are of an adequate level to be able to survive on their own while hunting in dungeons and maps etc, and making sure they have the basic skills and spells, like restoration. We all know how frustrating it is to run out of food and get diseases when you're new. Also, providing new members with skill scrolls is a must, I know as a barbarian, starting out, I must have failed literacy and piety a half a dozen times, but in GK, these are truly mandatory skills.

I had to struggle to come up with these, and I wish I had others helping when I was new. So that is something I would like to assist new players with, because it is so very frustrating.

So is this a dead topic, or is the fate of Zormite still hanging in the balance?

Googi · #30 10-11-2006, 12:17 AM

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So is this a dead topic, or is the fate of Zormite still hanging in the balance?

Nothing will happen until Friday.

Raelyn · #31 10-11-2006, 12:25 AM

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Nothing will happen until Friday.

What happens on Friday.. aside from me getting my cable turned back on in my apartment? *dances*

calani · #32 10-11-2006, 03:03 AM

Recently, as you all likely know, I've been away from GK.
I've been busy with helping two friends finish a server, and also I've had very pressing issues irl, but those I won't get into. Anyways, since I knew I would be away for quite some time, I appointed Raelyn as regent to rule while I was away from the server so Zormite wouldn't crumble in my absence. Unfortunately, I wasn't aware that Raelyn didn't know he was regent - when I learned of this, I contacted him on AIM (fortunately, one of the staff on Zodiac had his screenname) and the kingdom has made a comeback ever since. Now I have a bit more freetime, so I'll be on more often and will actually be able to work on bringing the kingdom back to life. Drakeero has agreed to help me with some of the dev projects on debug, as well as act as a councillor and help with kingdom issues.
I differ from other rulers inasmuch as I am trying to keep Zormite true to its roots, and follow its history as closely as I can - hence the ranks the way they are now (though it is missing a branch, which I didn't realize).

With Drakeero as a developer (and hopefully he'll be active, unlike the last one) I'll be able to finish a few ideas that have been planned for quite awhile now, and any others that he and the council proposes (granted they're good ideas, of course).

That aside, I'm back on GK now after a lengthy absence, and I plan on rebuilding the kingdom.

Googi · #33 10-11-2006, 03:32 AM

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stuff

Showed up faster than last time Sam threatened to remove you...

Raelyn · #34 10-11-2006, 04:09 AM

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Showed up faster than last time Sam threatened to remove you...

I only had to send her the link. -.-

Waltz5 · #35 10-11-2006, 04:30 AM

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blah blah blah blah blah

It shouldn't take a threat from staff to get your ass moving.

Calani had her chance, Sam and Googi need to move forward as planned.

calani · #36 10-11-2006, 04:56 AM

As stated in my post, I was away from GK.
Thus, I couldn't be active on the server, so I added Raelyn in as a regent to keep the kingdom active. Now that I am back, though, that will change since I have time to actually participate on the server and in rebuilding the kingdom.

ApothiX · #37 10-11-2006, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by calani

As stated in my post, I was away from GK.
Thus, I couldn't be active on the server, so I added Raelyn in as a regent to keep the kingdom active. Now that I am back, though, that will change since I have time to actually participate on the server and in rebuilding the kingdom.

If you are spending time working on another server, I personally don't think you are putting too much effort into maintaining the Kingdom. Being away from GK and being on a different server on Graal are two different things.

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Googi, what is it exactly you have agaist me? I'm a good leader, and I'm doing all I can to help Zormite even now as Regent, so why would I not do just as well as the full leader?

Because when you're a full leader, you won't have to work for more rights. It happens all the time, people work their ass off when they are a low rank, then as soon as they become a higher/the highest rank, they slack off because they don't get any more treats for doing hard work.

@Calani:
Not sure if you're talking about me being the inactive developer, but I didn't have folder rights on Debug until like 3 days before my computer blew up, and when I got back my Debug RC had been removed.

calani · #38 10-11-2006, 06:18 AM

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If you are spending time working on another server, I personally don't think you are putting too much effort into maintaining the Kingdom. Being away from GK and being on a different server on Graal are two different things.

It was much more than just helping out on another server - I had several things irl that required my attention. While they are still pressing, I have more time to spend on GK now.

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@Calani:
Not sure if you're talking about me being the inactive developer, but I didn't have folder rights on Debug until like 3 days before my computer blew up, and when I got back my Debug RC had been removed.

No, I was referring to AlaraicoMontario. Though that sounds similar to what happened with my global position, but I won't get into that.

calani · #39 10-11-2006, 06:37 AM

No, I was referring to AlaraicoMontario, as I stated in my previous post.

*poke* read more carefully!

Damix2 · #40 10-11-2006, 06:30 AM

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@Calani:
Not sure if you're talking about me being the inactive developer, but I didn't have folder rights on Debug until like 3 days before my computer blew up, and when I got back my Debug RC had been removed.

Was more aimed at me, I think I was still listed under Zormite developer.