need gold days credit

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally Posted by Lance

Don't tell other people how to spend their time. You are neither them nor their boss.

Yeah, but i should be

[Crono]

[QUOTE=Xecutor]Water is like $0.05 a gallon.
[QUOTE]

Water is "free" here, 'cept you pay monthly but dont have to buy water or anything like that.

[Xecutor]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Water is "free" here, 'cept you pay monthly but dont have to buy water or anything like that.

Well then it isn't exactly free since the fee of it is inclusive to a monthly payment, rent I suppose?

[DrkXFactr]

Originally Posted by Nappa

So your saying that I should buy a year of graal and because I can go outside, I should not use it ?

No. I pay to play graal kingdoms, if I cannot get access to graal kingdoms then I want money for that time.

And yes, if my ISP went down for 2 days I want my money back for those two days. I don't pay for things I don't have. If that's the case then everyone on graal should just give me a dollar, since ya know it doesnt matter much.

100% agreed

[Dehitay]

It is completely ironic that you would mention your ISP provider failing you for a length of time
The exact thing happened to me today
I woke up at 3 pm (cause I'm an early riser)
I noticed my internet connection wasn't working
So I watched some TV for a few hours
Then I tried again and still failed to connect to the internet
I called up Cox Cable, they had the problem fixed and they said they would take a fraction of my charges off my next bill

But back to the point at hand
To my knowledge, a single person in this thread would be honestly upset if they did not get recredited with the time unavailable but paid for
And there are a lot of people that have the uncanny ability to use LOGIC (thank goodness for those kind of people)
They are the ones saying that it would be natural to assume you should be compensated for a service you paid for and did not recieve
Just because they say that, doesn't mean they are desperate for time back themselves
It means they are sane, logical beings

[DrkXFactr]

lol i was wondering where u were O_o =P

[ezwider]

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

It's stupid because it is TWO DAYS out of an entire year's worth of gold? People do not get run over, catch on fire, recieve the flu virus, or anything else bad just because they don't get two days of graal.

Getting worked up about TWO DAYS without graal is just pathetic. Know what i did when i couldnt play graal that day? I went outside, kicked a football around for a while. Then i did some exercises with my weights for the first time in ages. In other words, I DID SOMETHING ELSE. And that's exactly what this guy should have done, but instead he probably sat around sulking and planning out his demand for compensation.

Seriously man, if you pay a solid £10 a month for internet, and your ISP is down for two days, you don't ring up and ask for 2 days worth of free internet, do you? If there's a powercut, you don't ring up and ask for 5 hours of free electricity, do you? Unless you're pathetic, the answer is no.

Seriously, the only reason i can think of why any of you would be going along with this guy and saying his request is reasonable slash demanding for two days free gold yourself is so that you can have a nice big stab at the establishment.
Ps.If that is the reason, then lol, carry on, having a stab is one of my favourite things I just think it's stupid to demand compensation for a few hours without some game as if it were a serious matter which caused you great harm.

Do you even play GK Monkeyboy? Lifting your arms to put deodarant on doesn't count as lifting weights. I've never seen you on the server. Anyway when my ISP (comcast cable) goes down I call them and they say approximately when it will be back on and I get credit for the time its down. I bought i think 182 days (6 months) of gold time so dont tell me two wont make a difference. If it happens more times those days will stack up. Oh and to those that are arguing that its only 11 cents a day to play Graal, its not about how much it costs, its about paying for it and not getting it. Thallen I think you were just jokin but I dont care about a NPC server restart. Its when the server is dead for 2 days that I go issed:

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally Posted by ezwider

Do you even play GK Monkeyboy? Lifting your arms to put deodarant on doesn't count as lifting weights. I've never seen you on the server. Anyway when my ISP (comcast cable) goes down I call them and they say approximately when it will be back on and I get credit for the time its down. I bought i think 182 days (6 months) of gold time so dont tell me two wont make a difference. If it happens more times those days will stack up. Oh and to those that are arguing that its only 11 cents a day to play Graal, its not about how much it costs, its about paying for it and not getting it. Thallen I think you were just jokin but I dont care about a NPC server restart. Its when the server is dead for 2 days that I go issed:

***** @ you. I'm an EM on gk, thanks, and i've never seen you on there either.

And holy crap @ all the whiny impatient people who ring up their isps as soon as they can't get internet XD I guess i was wrong about that one.

Also...well, let's see. 182-2=180, so i'd say, no, it still doesn't make a difference.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

***** @ you. I'm an EM on gk, thanks, and i've never seen you on there either.

And I have spent several dozen hours on GK the past few days, and I have seen you on there once and on tag not at all. That is not very fitting for an EM.

And holy crap @ all the whiny impatient people who ring up their isps as soon as they can't get internet XD I guess i was wrong about that one.

I do not see how not receiving a service you are paying for and requesting some type of compensation for it is in any way whiny or impatient.

Also...well, let's see. 182-2=180, so i'd say, no, it still doesn't make a difference.

To you. I think we've pretty-well established that it makes a difference to other people.

[Dehitay]

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

And holy crap @ all the whiny impatient people who ring up their isps as soon as they can't get internet XD I guess i was wrong about that one.

Do you pay for your own internet connection?
It going down can become a serious issue
especially when you count on the internet as much as I do
not necessarily because I'm pathetic and don't have a real life
That's also true, but I pay a lot of bills and do a lot of business online

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

And holy crap @ all the whiny impatient people who ring up their isps as soon as they can't get internet XD I guess i was wrong about that one.

Though it may not have said it in the contract, -I- still paid for internet access. When it goes down for one day (sometimes it does) I ring and complain. I'm not impatient, just dont have anything better to do sometimes :/

[Curt1zzle]

Things happen. Other games go down, players are not reimbursed.

However, with Graal, the playerbase is majorly young, creating an atmosphere where services like 24 hour server up-time is constantly in request....

I don't believe any gold time should be awarded, being that there were other GOLD servers to play on. If ALL of gold servers were down, possibly (Including hosted).

It was unfortunate, but expected with any MMORPG.

To Stefan and Unixmad, I suggest adding this into the user agreement, that any unexpected downtime is unfortunate but non-reimbursable.

[ezwider]

I dont think anyone bought gold time to play on HOSTED servers......

That would make the company look really bad if you had to agree to that. I can't see how people would not want thier time back. How about making us agree to if we have problems with our account your not allowed to get fixed. Thats what that rule would signify.

[Curt1zzle]

Originally Posted by ezwider

I dont think anyone bought gold time to play on HOSTED servers......

That would make the company look really bad if you had to agree to that. I can't see how people would not want thier time back. How about making us agree to if we have problems with our account your not allowed to get fixed. Thats what that rule would signify.

Thinking or assuming that a company will offer a service 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, without any errors or downtime....and if there is downtime....you will be reimbursed...... is absolutely ludacris.

Every MMORPG I've played (Ultima Online, EverQuest, SWG, Diablo2) have all had server problems and have scheduled and unscheduled downtime. However, there is no "reimbursement" (Well, D2 doesn't cost...obviosly) for the time you lost while the servers were down. It should simply be added to the user agreement for Graal to prevent future controversy over the entire issue.

Of course exceptions could be made if the game servers were down for...several days or a week or something.

However, your comments about people buying gold time for HOSTED is dumb, and that nobody would ever do that? I did.

I didn't buy my gold time to slay a few mobs on Kingdoms, I purchased mine so that I could work on Graal Kingdoms, and work/play on Hosted upcoming playerworlds being worked on by friends. So, you're wrong there. I do occasionally enjoy a vacation on Kingdoms, but that's not my primary reason for buying Gold time.

[Crono]

You're not allowed to talk about or say the names of other MMORPG's fool.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally Posted by Lance

And I have spent several dozen hours on GK the past few days, and I have seen you on there once and on tag not at all. That is not very fitting for an EM.

Which is a lie, and if it isnt, then you just don't look at the playerlist that much at all, or you haven't been on at certain times.

FYI, i go on quite a lot, for short periods of time. Maybe half an hour to an hour at a time, alternating between my normal alias of LegoBomb, and my zormite tag. Unless you have me on buddy for some reason, why the hell SHOULD you see me online? I don't notice half the other players on the playerlist when i'm on.

Furthermore, i've been ontag i think 4/5 days this week, if not all 5, advertising for the mayoral elections, sometimes several times in one day. You yourself responded to one of these on friday, although that was probably after you posted here. I also held a waterglass event on, uh, monday or tuesday or possibly sunday i think it is, before i started organising the elections. So don't you dare go implying that I'm not doing a good job, because I bloody well am.

Anyway, that's neither here nor there, this isnt what the thread's about -_-

[Zero Hour]

If Lance noticed everytime I was online I would be impressed, I can't hardly expect him to notice when other players are on - on if by chance he looks and sees the name... I don't know, I think he stuck his foot into that one.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

Which is a lie, and if it isnt, then you just don't look at the playerlist that much at all, or you haven't been on at certain times.

FYI, i go on quite a lot, for short periods of time. Maybe half an hour to an hour at a time, alternating between my normal alias of LegoBomb, and my zormite tag. Unless you have me on buddy for some reason, why the hell SHOULD you see me online? I don't notice half the other players on the playerlist when i'm on.

Furthermore, i've been ontag i think 4/5 days this week, if not all 5, advertising for the mayoral elections, sometimes several times in one day. You yourself responded to one of these on friday, although that was probably after you posted here. I also held a waterglass event on, uh, monday or tuesday or possibly sunday i think it is, before i started organising the elections. So don't you dare go implying that I'm not doing a good job, because I bloody well am.

You went on tag the one time while I was online. You held zero events. I'm not interested in your onlinetime - I'm interested in when you are on tag, doing your job. I noted when I saw you online, not when you were online - you are not on my buddy list. You needn't get worked up about such things. However, if you are on tag then I promise I will see you, for I make note of such things.

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

If Lance noticed everytime I was online I would be impressed, I can't hardly expect him to notice when other players are on - on if by chance he looks and sees the name... I don't know, I think he stuck his foot into that one.

Hey, I saw you host that event the other day, no probalo.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Curt1zzle

Thinking or assuming that a company will offer a service 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, without any errors or downtime....and if there is downtime....you will be reimbursed...... is absolutely ludacris.

Nobody's thinking that they will, Curtis. However, it is not unreasonable to request compensation for a day of unscheduled downtime.

Every MMORPG I've played (Ultima Online, EverQuest, SWG, Diablo2) have all had server problems and have scheduled and unscheduled downtime. However, there is no "reimbursement" (Well, D2 doesn't cost...obviosly) for the time you lost while the servers were down.

Well, I don't even have to point out the obvious - Graal is not "every MMORPG you've played." Why shouldn't Graal go the extra mile? Like I said, it would have been a nice gesture. From what I understand, though, it's a difficult one. So, there's a good chance it won't happen.

It should simply be added to the user agreement for Graal to prevent future controversy over the entire issue.

Stefan and unixmad's decision.

Of course exceptions could be made if the game servers were down for...several days or a week or something.

Where do you draw the line?

I didn't buy my gold time to slay a few mobs on Kingdoms, I purchased mine so that I could work on Graal Kingdoms,

On Debug, you mean.

Personally, I don't see how "people bought gold access for X or Y or Z" really enters into this discussion, as it was a large part of the Graal network that was down...

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally Posted by Lance

You went on tag the one time while I was online. You held zero events. I'm not interested in your onlinetime - I'm interested in when you are on tag, doing your job. I noted when I saw you online, not when you were online - you are not on my buddy list. You needn't get worked up about such things. However, if you are on tag then I promise I will see you, for I make note of such things.

Well, you can either carry on being mr smug'n'superior, or you can read what i posted again.

I don't give a crap what you're interested in, because as far as i'm concerned you dont come close to being a normal/regular player, so my job doesn't concern you, and its not your job to be interested in my job, ok? And i'll get worked up if i want to; i don't want anybody trying to put the slightest mark on something i've worked very hard to get, and continue to work hard to keep.

[Zero Hour]

Actually, Max, I believe he's holding the Mr. logical appearrance, which I hold dearly and respect a lot.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

And i'll get worked up if i want to; i don't want anybody trying to put the slightest mark on something i've worked very hard to get, and continue to work hard to keep.

Nicely said, just...nicely...said...

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

Well, you can either carry on being mr smug'n'superior, or you can read what i posted again.

Or, you can stop being a jerk.

I don't give a crap what you're interested in,

That's nice.

because as far as i'm concerned you dont come close to being a normal/regular player,

I happen to play Graal Kingdoms, so you are incorrect here.

so my job doesn't concern you,

Unfortunately, me being GK staff and also a player, it kinda does.

and its not your job to be interested in my job, ok?

Unfortunately, me being GK staff and also a player, it kinda is.

And i'll get worked up if i want to; i don't want anybody trying to put the slightest mark on something i've worked very hard to get, and continue to work hard to keep.

Well you're doing an awesome job convincing me you should keep your job, so you should just keep that up.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally Posted by Lance

I happen to play Graal Kingdoms, so you are incorrect here.

Not regularly enough, though. Yeah, sure, you've been active over the past week...for the first time in a long time. You even got removed from your kingdom for being an inactive player, remember? So, since events are for the people that play GK, I'm not really that wrong.

Unfortunately, me being GK staff and also a player, it kinda does.

Not in my eyes =/ I view you as a developer, not an EM supervisor. That's bjoern's job o.o

Well you're doing an awesome job convincing me you should keep your job, so you should just keep that up.

k, i will

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

Not regularly enough, though. Yeah, sure, you've been active over the past week...for the first time in a long time.

I finally got my new computer.

You even got removed from your kingdom for being an inactive player, remember?

Irrelevant.

So, since events are for the people that play GK, I'm not really that wrong.

I play GK. So, yes, you are incorrect.

Not in my eyes =/ I view you as a developer, not an EM supervisor. That's bjoern's job o.o

I am a GK staff member, as is Jagen. I possess RC and rights on Graal Kingdoms independent from any other rights I have. I do not really care how you view me, as it does not affect what I am. Bjorn handles the events, but that does not mean that Jagen or I cannot remove an Events Master who is acting inappropriately.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally Posted by Lance

I finally got my new computer.

Good for ya

Originally Posted by Lance

I am a GK staff member, as is Jagen. I possess RC and rights on Graal Kingdoms independent from any other rights I have. I do not really care how you view me, as it does not affect what I am. Bjorn handles the events, but that does not mean that Jagen or I cannot remove an Events Master who is acting inappropriately.

Mmm, fair enough, but just because you can doesn't mean it's your duty or obligation to look after EMs o.o

[Lance]

[QUOTE=Monkeyboy_McGee]Good for ya

Indeed. My laptop had an overheating problem, so I couldn't play graal for more than about 10 or 20 minutes at a time without my computer shutting down. In fact, I am currently backing up/copying files from it in order to have it repaired (repaired again, as last time is what caused this problem to come about).

Mmm, fair enough, but just because you can doesn't mean it's your duty or obligation to look after EMs o.o

Except that as GK staff it is one of my responsibilities. There are just too few events by not-me these days.

[Crono]

Speaking of your new computer, I recommended a graphics card to Lance and he bought it so I demand more gold time for saving his wallet ^_^;

Nah, I'm just kinda copying the thread starter by asking for gold time etc.

[Emily_Cruddas]

The other servers that were down, do the players that rent them get the time back as well? It seems to me it could be too large of a problem to handle, but i'm only one person that's not worried about lost time on graal.


I also see it this way, if you did lose your internet service for a day, would you call them to get the time back AND ask them to send you a check for time missed for your online game? I just can't imagine stefan fixing all those accounts times, there are too many folks with gold and i don't know if it keeps track of who was on and who wasn't.

[ezwider]

Is it really that hard to give all accounts that have any amount of gold time left 2 days credit? Not being sarcastic, just curious how it cant be done.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally Posted by Lance

Except that as GK staff it is one of my responsibilities. There are just too few events by not-me these days.

Not really. There's usually an event held almost every day by either me or ZH, sometimes we do one each in one day, or two each, and stuff. Right now though, we've got no flow of prizes coming our way, so we can't really hold that many events. People on GK only seem bothered about the prizes these days, not the events

Originally Posted by Gerami

Speaking of your new computer, I recommended a graphics card to Lance and he bought it so I demand more gold time for saving his wallet ^_^;

Nah, I'm just kinda copying the thread starter by asking for gold time etc.

I have a pony. Gimme gold time.

[Emily_Cruddas]

Originally Posted by ezwider

Is it really that hard to give all accounts that have any amount of gold time left 2 days credit? Not being sarcastic, just curious how it cant be done.

Is that money out of stefans pocket? I doubt some folks that had gold time were not even aware the servers were down, maybe out of town for the weekend? I'm pretty sure they deseve that time too. {sarcasm}

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Emily_Cruddas

Is that money out of stefans pocket? I doubt some folks that had gold time were not even aware the servers were down, maybe out of town for the weekend? I'm pretty sure they deseve that time too. {sarcasm}

Actually its not money out of stefan's pocket >_>;

and you mean [/sarcasm] right?

[ezwider]

Just an update on this, I give up.