Example of RC rights on a server - Page 5

Milkdude99 · #61 01-25-2004, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Mykel
Then the people who did this were *****s. They gave a high level RC to the wrong people, and, on top of it, didn't have a backup. You can obviously see exceptions to these rules.

Really how can you say this not knowing even who they are? Nemsis was "trusted" and yet he did damage to Graal so anyone can be able to do this. Trusting someone on the net is a "ify" thing and you really don't know that person at all, just what they want you to see. You can't always blame the Manager because this happens because no one really knows anyone on Graal unless they know them in real life.

Mykel · #62 01-25-2004, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by sage_scooby

Everyone does not think and act the way you do. I dissagree with you. So obviously you are not taking about graals responsibility to me.

This is obvious. And I have never flamed you, or even so much have said you are incorrect. What are you talking about graal's responsibility to you? Making these rules, are graal's responsibility to you?

sage_scooby · #63 01-25-2004, 08:06 AM

Even people you know in real life can do it. Being Human makes everything iffy in a way.

Milkdude99 · #64 01-25-2004, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by ETD

How do these rules prevent someone with level 4 RC from deleting everything on the server?

It doesn't , it just lessens the opportunity of it being done in greater numbers.

I am however enjoying this "debate" over the rules except maybe Mykel because his post are ruled by desire and not by any supporting material to aid his view.

Blue_Dragn · #65 01-25-2004, 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Really how can you say this not knowing even who they are? Nemsis was "trusted" and yet he did damage to Graal so anyone can be able to do this. Trusting someone on the net is a "ify" thing and you really don't know that person at all, just what they want you to see. You can't always blame the Manager because this happens because no one really knows anyone on Graal unless they know them in real life.

I have never seen the Nemesis situation fully resolved, thus i dont believe its a valid arugument. Some things he did were wrong. Like you said, trusting people on the net is a "fly" thing, so when then, if you have a number of IRL people you truely trust, should you not be able to do with them as you please?

sage_scooby · #66 01-25-2004, 08:08 AM

No, but being that I play graal and own a PW I am one of "everyone".

Mykel · #67 01-25-2004, 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Really how can you say this not knowing even who they are? Nemsis was "trusted" and yet he did damage to Graal so anyone can be able to do this. Trusting someone on the net is a "ify" thing and you really don't know that person at all, just what they want you to see. You can't always blame the Manager because this happens because no one really knows anyone on Graal unless they know them in real life.

True. Some people belive that noone can be fully trusted. But even in the Nemesis case, it did no permenant damage, and in cases such as Riot, he got 3 weeks of gold out of it. Graal had a backup plan. Who is to say that 2 of those 3 aren't going to delete the server? And if people are giving away level 4 RC's like candy, and arent backing things up, what they get is a shame, but a result of the effort they put in.

ETD · #68 01-25-2004, 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Really how can you say this not knowing even who they are? Nemsis was "trusted" and yet he did damage to Graal so anyone can be able to do this.

What Nem did was predictable, and if Stefan and Unix knew him well enough, they would have seen that coming from a mile away...
Besides, Nem didn't do much damage... he just deleted a few accounts of people he didn't like... he could have done much more than that, but he didn't. And those people's accounts were reinstated like the next day...

oh, but I do agree that sometimes people you trust can just go nuts.,... especially when they quit graal, and never plan on coming back... they feel like they can just do whatever, and it wouldn't matter (to them)

sage_scooby · #69 01-25-2004, 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by ETD

What Nem did was predictable, and if Stefan and Unix knew him well enough, they would have seen that coming from a mile away...
Besides, Nem didn't do much damage... he just deleted a few accounts of people he didn't like... he could have done much more than that, but he didn't. And those people's accounts were reinstated like the next day...

I never knew nem and my acct got deleted and it took weeks for me to get it back.
Not permanent but it wasnt good. And he may not have done damage to graal directly but, business wise it reflects badly.

Milkdude99 · #70 01-25-2004, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by ETD

What Nem did was predictable, and if Stefan and Unix knew him well enough, they would have seen that coming from a mile away...
Besides, Nem didn't do much damage... he just deleted a few accounts of people he didn't like... he could have done much more than that, but he didn't. And those people's accounts were reinstated like the next day...

oh, but I do agree that sometimes people you trust can just go nuts.,... especially when they quit graal, and never plan on coming back... they feel like they can just do whatever, and it wouldn't matter (to them)

I agree with you..

Blue_Dragn · #71 01-25-2004, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by sage_scooby

I never knew nem and my acct got deleted and it took weeks for me to get it back.
Not permanent but it wasnt good. And he may not have done damage to graal directly but, business wise it reflects badly.

I play graal just to see things like that happen, you dont get nearly as much raw emotion in other games. Buisness wise i dont think it did any damage at all

Riot · #72 01-25-2004, 08:14 AM

In my opinion it shows how responsible Graal is.
They keep logs on major event like these, and can restore backups in little time. 90% of the accounts deleted were restored within 48 hours.

ETD · #73 01-25-2004, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by sage_scooby

I never knew nem and my acct got deleted and it took weeks for me to get it back.

strange, he told me he was just skimming the account list, and deleting people he didn't like
o.o
because I remember, most of the people complaining were people he didn't like...

and I thought they resolved it quickly... maybe my memory is going
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anyways, what he did was still predictable.... he talked about not caring about graal, and quitting graal for a long time before that... he used to always complain about his job, and how he was over worked... other people got $ for their work, but he got nothing but complaints, and he often asked himself why he kept his job...

I mean, it wasn't hard to see that something like that was building up....

Mykel · #74 01-25-2004, 08:15 AM

Plus the whole Kish thing...

sage_scooby · #75 01-25-2004, 08:16 AM

It just shows that it can happen. And the possibility is not good for business.

And they did show much responsibility. Some things are beyond our control. But we can do our best to minimize the possibility. (Which is the main reason for the RC restrictions)