End Of Nighthawks, new Beginning

[CaptainDax]

People can actually get on tag and roleplay 24/7?

Let me say, you few are my heroes.

[MarkB]

Let me set the record straight.

Black Cloak came and aided the Nighthawks yes....But the story which Padren told you is nothing but false, and it couldnt be any farther from the truth at that. Black Cloak was already on the island when Zormite arrived. As they got off the boats(which there were like 25 of them) me and tec kept slaying people 1 by 1.....yet their people kept repawning. Which I didnt really mind because I was making a small fortune off the drops.

Unfortuneatly the NPC server disconnects. We wait a while and I go afk for some food. I come back, and the NPC server is back, there are icestorms all around me, yet I have about 400/430 HP. So I begin fighting. I find Padren, kill him. I find Wren, kill her.

I take a swipe by the dock looking for Zoe and I see Wren saying "anu wtf, zoe killed you." I reply saying no...

I am now hearing it from Padren and the rest of the 30 people on the dock from Zormite who have been killed. I get pissed off and say whatever. I go afk cuz im pissed and I come back to the comp with people saying "oh, i killed you"

Well WTF, all 10 of you people killed me and not once did a person notice on the message bar? I highly doubt any of you killed me.

You just knew defeat was breathing down your neck.

Plus, another thing...If I would have died, I would have been warped back to main. I boarded the ship while it was in the water, and I said /leave to get off the boat on Nighthawks island, and not once did I touch a dock. My HP never got lower than 300, so I dont know what the hell you people are talking about.

Its sad when you have to cheat to win at your own game.


-Mark Arcaenis

[LoveableNalle]

Originally posted by LordZen


...?

Well anyways, back on topic:

I'm refering to gameplay system limitations in that if system was more flexible then Nighthawks could have been made a true 6th kingdom with full K-GUI support and being able to set alliances in their own diplomacy window etc.

Just because the game was originally intended to have 5 kingdoms, if the administration decides later to add a 6th then that shouldnt mean that this new kingdom has to be a subordinate of one of the original 5. If you want to truly look at it in an RP sense, that is..

Nighthawks isnt the 6th Kingdom because someone just cant form a group and say " hey were a kingdom now add us" otherwise we would have 100's of kingdoms here.

And it is on Kurenai Joukai's land, just because you say it isnt dont make it so. I know where my territory reaches :-P

[LordZen]

I think you are missing the point. The administration aknowledged the Nighthawks as being a kingdom. That is what makes the difference. Stefan doesnt go around allowing anybody who asks to have a castle. He also would not make official announcements regarding these 100's of wannabe kingdoms you speak of.

http://www.graalonline.com/article.php?sid=462

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by LordZen
I think you are missing the point. The administration aknowledged the Nighthawks as being a kingdom. That is what makes the difference. Stefan doesnt go around allowing anybody who asks to have a castle. He also would not make official announcements regarding these 100's of wannabe kingdoms you speak of.

http://www.graalonline.com/article.php?sid=462

According to that announcement, Nighthawks and the island is property of Samurai.

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[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by CaptainDax
People can actually get on tag and roleplay 24/7?

Let me say, you few are my heroes.

The only hard part of that is actually playing Graal 24/7

[Lance]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

Also, Wren, get my "name" and such out of your sig. If Zen was allowed to request his "name" being removed from my sig and it was done (though my message and point remained), I should get the same treatment he did. Or I'll just ask Kaimetsu or someone to have you do it, like he had me do...

Unfortunately for you, that is not her signature, nor does it appear after any other of her posts. She pasted two things that you've mass messaged at the end of her post to illustrate the point that you're to some degree hypocritical.

[LordZen]

Recently south-east of the Samurai island scouts found a new island. The Nighthawks, a group of members of the Samurai kingdom, settled down there, built several docks, a nice pub and a small castle which is protected by fortifications.

The caption to that news entry proves that Samurai did not own the land before Nighthawk settlement.

The Nighthawks had to be members of Samurai in the beginning "again" because of system limitations.

Regardless, Nighthawks now have their own tags and also had their own sovereign monarchy. These are 2 signs of complete independance.

Edit: Here is a similar example to help understand whats going on here...

"Once upon a time a group of englishmen settled along the eastern coast of the North American continent. Eventually they established their own government and gave their country a name, thus establishing independence from England (given this was after a bloody war)"

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Lance


Unfortunately for you, that is not her signature, nor does it appear after any other of her posts. She pasted two things that you've mass messaged at the end of her post to illustrate the point that you're to some degree hypocritical.

Ohh! Thank you for clearing that up. I'll remove my request then. It's not really unfortunate for me, it just makes it easier :-/
The only close thing to unfortunate for me regarding this is that I wasted my time requesting the removal of it thinking it was something I wanted remove, thus wasting more of my time making this post. See what happens when you make a mistake thinking something exists when it really doesn't?
You confused me, Zen Not nice

Also, I don't see how what she posted says I'm hypocritical. The only thing I ever argue about is the problem of horrible RPing on GK. It would make me look hypocritical if she quoted me on something that makes it look like I contribute to RPing problems, when in fact, that's the last thing I do.

Edit: Oh, thanks, Zen, for clearing some of that up. I didn't think it actually happened that way though. I thought of Nighthawks always being within Samurai. I guess it makes sense for them to be considered independent after they no longer have tags and ranks within the kingdom though and use their own guildtags instead. However, I didn't know much about their story to begin with since I find it VERY hard to take ANY kingdom leader seriously is he/she simply freely acts OOC on his/her OWN ROLEPLAYING TAG. In fact, I respected the Nighthawks when they were starting, untill I took note of them acting this way (I took note of it VERY shortly...it was even before they became part of Samurai or got their own island).

[darkemporor]

Just wanted to point out, knowing that everyone in battle will see it slightly differently... and even if we did wish to belabor the details and veracity of MarkBs death in particular, whether it was actual or simply rumored... From an RP standpoint, it is a mere technicality which does not alter the RP outcome, nor these facts:

1. In the end of battle, no Black Cloaks remained to provide resistance.
2. The King of NightHawks resigned his leadership with several witnesses present and multiple times.
3. The Alliance declared ownership of the island without dispute.
4. The Empress of Kurenai Joukai gave her blessing to the Alliance shortly after, having stated her troops would have assisted in the effort had there been time or notice.

Wren

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by LordZen


The caption to that news entry proves that Samurai did not own the land before Nighthawk settlement.

The Nighthawks had to be members of Samurai in the beginning "again" because of system limitations.

Regardless, Nighthawks now have their own tags and also had their own sovereign monarchy. These are 2 signs of complete independance.

Edit: Here is a similar example to help understand whats going on here...

"Once upon a time a group of englishmen settled along the eastern coast of the North American continent. Eventually they established their own government and gave their country a name, thus establishing independence from England (given this was after a bloody war)"

Recently south-east of the Samurai island scouts found a new island. The Nighthawks, a group of members of the Samurai kingdom, settled down there, built several docks, a nice pub and a small castle which is protected by fortifications.


In your 'eventually they established their own government...' regarding US history misses a rather large and bloody revolutionary war due to just how contentious ownership of that settlement was.

That said, I think your post was antagonistic, and you may not have known of the friendship both wren and I have with Nayoko, and that there is no trouble arrising from this issue.


Now, regarding Ziro_Vitrudestec's comments:

Not every thread is a 'bash the non-rping kingdoms' thread. Hijack a different thread, this one has a use already, or better yet, go into the game and rp or something. I know I do.


Now, regarding Anu:

Originally posted by MarkB
Let me set the record straight.

Black Cloak came and aided the Nighthawks yes....But the story which Padren told you is nothing but false, and it couldnt be any farther from the truth at that. Black Cloak was already on the island when Zormite arrived. As they got off the boats(which there were like 25 of them) me and tec kept slaying people 1 by 1.....yet their people kept repawning. Which I didnt really mind because I was making a small fortune off the drops.

Unfortuneatly the NPC server disconnects. We wait a while and I go afk for some food. I come back, and the NPC server is back, there are icestorms all around me, yet I have about 400/430 HP. So I begin fighting. I find Padren, kill him. I find Wren, kill her.

I take a swipe by the dock looking for Zoe and I see Wren saying "anu wtf, zoe killed you." I reply saying no...

I am now hearing it from Padren and the rest of the 30 people on the dock from Zormite who have been killed. I get pissed off and say whatever. I go afk cuz im pissed and I come back to the comp with people saying "oh, i killed you"

Well WTF, all 10 of you people killed me and not once did a person notice on the message bar? I highly doubt any of you killed me.

You just knew defeat was breathing down your neck.

Plus, another thing...If I would have died, I would have been warped back to main. I boarded the ship while it was in the water, and I said /leave to get off the boat on Nighthawks island, and not once did I touch a dock. My HP never got lower than 300, so I dont know what the hell you people are talking about.

Its sad when you have to cheat to win at your own game.


-Mark Arcaenis

1) we did not respawn.

2) You did die, you did respawn and I saw you myself get out of the game and sit on the dock. You told people not to attack you because you were 'out'.

- you do not have to touch the dock itself to have your restart location saved, it happens near it too, and there was a lot of fighting around the dock, I am sure you looped over it's edge at least once in the dodging and fighting.

3) I saw tec die myself, at least the text on screen.

4) we all had to deal with the stupid NPC server,

5) Zoe and Driken were never killed once at all in the battle, not one of the black cloak was still in the battle.

Side note: I know you were on the island before we were, I never said you weren't. You chose to fight in a battle that was not yours, and it didn't go your way.

Enough said, you lost, fair and square.


About the island:

anyone else have ideas about what to add or such?

[MarkB]

Padren's Crap Here

Again. Wrong.

[CaptainDax]

Both Driken and Zoe got stuck under the dock during the NPC reset. It was me that went back to pick them up. They never died.

And MarkB did die, Zormite's own Ashtin Vaye defeated him with Ice Storm.

[MarkB]

Originally posted by CaptainDax
Both Driken and Zoe got stuck under the dock during the NPC reset. It was me that went back to pick them up. They never died.

And MarkB did die, Zormite's own Ashtin Vaye defeated him with Ice Storm.

Fool, that was well after I said I was done because Zormite was *****ing about my "death". Anyway, it is over, the RP ended the way it was intended, we all had fun, that is all that matters.

<3 Zormite/Dustari and Crew

[LordDrDw]

In the end, there were still zormites not dead. I will admit that some respawned, but no all. on the other hand Black cloaks also respawned. Both sides are guilty at such.. But overall Zormite still overran the island and cleared it of resistence. In the end, zormite and dustari stood there in a victorious manner, you, did not. thus we won the island. NH is basicly its own kingdom. and if it was samurai's why has dayaa been living there with her forces and you doing nothing after her previous problems? Proving it is dayaas. Dayaa lost it in a battle none the less. I think Things are basicly settled .